the bible does homophobic stuff in it, but it is so ambigious that one can interpret ANYWAY one wants so i don’t buy the argument that christianity teaches homophibia

really? i am sceptical

Your church does, but you must accept that a lot churches don’t (eg those that ordaine gay priests)

@ketordeath 333357 wrote:

really? i am sceptical

Have you made any effort to read into neuroscience and the processes behind consciousness?

I have. I used to think like you, that humans are special and that we can do whatever we like to animals. We are special to some extent but after some education and personal research into the subject I changed my mind. I still eat meat but am aware that other forms of consciousness need to be kept from suffering and respected

yes some churches are less backwards on subjects like homosexuality and thats a good thing. but if organised religion didnt exist at all I suspect homophobic education would not exist at all. I’m not trying to argue all organised religion should go but it definately has slowed progress in many areas of thinking

Depends on the human. If it was a fit bird then i’d save the woman. Then again if it was a fit chimp i’d save both of em and eat the dog

species tend to stick together and help each other out (usually)

i think that we are programmed to want a human to survive over an animal, but i do not think i am any more worthy than a cat or a dog or any animal on this planet

@p0lygon-Window 333364 wrote:

Here’s another question I have. How come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden? When did this happen, that we passed chickens in goodness. Name 6 ways we’re better than chickens. See, nobody can do it! You know why? ‘Cause chickens are decent people. You don’t see chickens hanging around in drug gangs, do you? No, you don’t see a chicken strapping some guy into a chair and hooking up his nuts to a car battery, do you? When’s the last chicken you heard about come home from work and beat the shit out of his hen, huh? Doesn’t happen, ’cause chickens are decent people.
– George Carlin

Haha i guess the point is that human sentience allows us to have the full range of ‘goodness’. It’s not like all humans are strapping people into chairs and electrocuting their nuts. The bad has to exist so the good can exist. Thats ying and yang for you. Chickens are neutral because they are not capable of goodness or evil. Yet having that extra layer of awareness and choice doesnt mean we can shit all over the chicken.

i have my own set of good and bad but i do not believe there is such thing, it is man made.

morals come from within

you would personally do it? even if the animal was suffering severly?

animal testing for cosmetics does not have to be done though. I agree its useful for medicine and am not opposed to that but surely we cannot morally think we can kill things just to make ourselves look prettier

anyawy good luck with your coursework, thanks for distracting me from work for the last hour 😉

@p0lygon-Window 333374 wrote:

i have my own set of good and bad but i do not believe there is such thing, it is man made.

morals come from within

Fair enough.. I agree there are a lot of grey areas in life that require a personal decision but I still think there is fundamental good and fundamental evil in the universe.

For example causing another person suffering merely for your own entertainment (ie bullying, raping, torturing animals or even people) is my definition of a fundamental universal evil. Surely nobody can argue that is a matter of opinion?

yeah i guess im not trying to say that good and evil are ingrained in the laws of physics or something.. just that they arise out of complexity and information somehow, an that there are black and white areas. I hope that sort of thing is eventually covered as we develop information theory.

with the fetishes tho they both enjoyed it and wanted it (presumably) so it doesnt count 😛