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    Avatardubstep_joe
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    Something I’ve been thinking about…

    We work a large majority of our lives, and in today’s world with it’s technologies and infrastructure, we sort of work for our ‘survival’ in a indirect way… But is it just me or is the effort we put into ‘work’ not really that advantages to the ‘direct’ sort of way in the first place.

    We need food and stuff to survive right, but instead of directly hunting or stuff for food we believe/assume that there are more efficient ways of doing it.

    We have technology, machines, amazing stuff to hopefully make all our lives easier… But why do we have a possibly large amount of people struggling with poverty/health? Is it just a small limitation that has developed?

    Surely with all our technology/machines we shouldn’t need to be working 9 hours a day? I don’t see birds or spiders or manbearpigs in stressful situations as these?

    Or is it just that the humans are really shit at survival and without our gasoline and calculators we’d all be dead already in the first place?

    Where is all our effort going into?
    Why do we work such ‘strenuous’ ways with all our intelligence and products of it?
    Why do we have poverty?

    #1249298
    AvatarGylfi Gudbjornsson
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    My favourite band Anaal Nathrakh summed it up quite well I though with the song: ‘When humanity is cancer’

    #1249306
    Avatarbarrettone
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    poverty, death, suffering, injustice, and inequality have always existed. Now, many people will tell you that they will always exist, but I do not believe this is so. We are moving forward but we are still a very young species, and we make advancements at a very fast pace. Your cellphone is more powerful than the computer that put people on the Moon.

    Suffering exists not because the world itself is cruel, but that we allow it to become so through cruel men. Evil is allowed to thrive because good men stand aside and do nothing, either due to being too absorbed by self interest or feeling incapable of doing anything to stop it.

    Do your part. Be kind to a stranger, make your friends feel like they’re important. The journey towards world kidness is a long road, but if you don’t start walking on it, the day will never come.

    #1249297
    AvatarLt Luna
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    It is a very cruel world and I question what you have written all the time. The only thing I can come up with is the wealthy want to stay and become even more wealthy.

    #1249294
    AvatarClusterfrog
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    The world is indifferent, ‘cruel’ is a human subjective categorisation

    Arguably we do need to work far less with modern technology, much much less, but we choose not to because we want computers, iPhones, expensive booze in cocktail bars, and designer trainers

    Why is there poverty? Because people are selfish, we have more than enough resources to keep give everyone in the world basic necessities, food, shelter, medicine. If anything is cruel it is humanity.

    Personally, I think the world is facking awesome, despite needing improvements.

    #1249300
    Avatardubstep_joe
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    @Lt Luna 468017 wrote:

    It is a very cruel world and I question what you have written all the time. The only thing I can come up with is the wealthy want to stay and become even more wealthy.

    Surely wealth doesn’t mean much anymore, to those who have so much of it though?
    Perhaps it becomes more effort to sign some legal papers to buy a hotel rather than just pay cash for a room in the first place.

    @Clusterfrog 468033 wrote:

    Arguably we do need to work far less with modern technology, much much less, but we choose not to because we want computers, iPhones, expensive booze in cocktail bars, and designer trainers

    iPhones = 90+% profit(I’d assume!), but it’s not the material cost your paying for. Your paying for some jackasses ‘research’.
    Look at opensource software, propelled forward by creative, geeky, people who love doing it.

    So your doing all this effort for one guy’s research. In turn he pays taxes, and his childens medical stuff and blah blah.

    But where is all this compound effort going into?
    Perhaps, it goes into building the most complicated medical machine ever built that can only be used ONCE to fix someones health problem. The most de-efficient thing ever!

    The world isn’t too bad, but I do think it could be awesomer.

    #1249305
    AvatarFizzbombheid
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    the world is full of cunts. its human nature to fuck over the next man. but i love it

    #1249301
    Avatardubstep_joe
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    @Fizzbombheid 468051 wrote:

    the world is full of cunts. its human nature to fuck over the next man. but i love it

    That’s actually a pretty good reason to be honest =l… I’m gonna do some thinking and come back to this hopefully. Beaten by 3 sentence pffft.

    #1249295
    AvatarClusterfrog
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    @Fizzbombheid 468051 wrote:

    the world is full of cunts. its human nature to fuck over the next man. but i love it

    The world is mostly full of nice people, but shit floats so it’s often what stands out

    #1249302
    Avatardubstep_joe
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    @Clusterfrog 468066 wrote:

    The world is mostly full of nice people, but shit floats so it’s often what stands out

    LoL! Mind if I use this as a signature? =D

    #1249296
    AvatarClusterfrog
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    @dubstep_joe 468067 wrote:

    LoL! Mind if I use this as a signature? =D

    knock yourself out ๐Ÿ˜›

    #1249286
    AvatarAnonymous

    Yes the worlds cruel, we work hard, some people work seven days a week. we need money to buy food to keep us alive, and technology to keep us up to date with the world. If we didn’t work I doubt the government would be handing it out, like hey heres your 100 dollars for the week. Nope! people work to keep alive and buy necessary items.

    #1249308
    Avatartamelco
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    Lifes kind of unfair and dull at mostly, but when its good, it makes it all worth it.

    #1249303
    Avatardubstep_joe
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    @tamelco 468128 wrote:

    Lifes kind of unfair and dull at mostly, but when its good, it makes it all worth it.

    Warm welcome to partyvibe! ๐Ÿ™‚

    #1249304
    Avatardubstep_joe
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    @Bellarubiaa 468104 wrote:

    Yes the worlds cruel, we work hard, some people work seven days a week. we need money to buy food to keep us alive, and technology to keep us up to date with the world. If we didn’t work I doubt the government would be handing it out, like hey heres your 100 dollars for the week. Nope! people work to keep alive and buy necessary items.

    I’m not against work. I’m just asking/curious to how efficient it actually is with all our technology we have nowdays.

    #1249287
    Avatarsinner69
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    @Bellarubiaa 468104 wrote:

    Yes the worlds cruel, we work hard, some people work seven days a week. we need money to buy food to keep us alive, and technology to keep us up to date with the world. If we didn’t work I doubt the government would be handing it out, like hey heres your 100 dollars for the week. Nope! people work to keep alive and buy necessary items.

    I got way more than that from the state when I didn’t have any income, but that didn’t stop me from working, I tried twice to follow the path of wage slavery and it was not for me. The main goal should be to have something worth doing that will give you more than just income, be good at something whatever it would be, be part of something bigger than just a pair of hand for a company even though you might have to be that on your way to your goal. But when you know what you want to do to be and do or work with then go for it….find some friends(organise your work in a collective way, together with others you stay stronger…) and be part of the core of what you doing instead of a tool for a company….there are many ways to live our lives and ‘the wage slavery way’ have now brought the whole society on the brink of a big economic depression, so many new ways will be much needed to get ourselves over this big hurdle.

    When something go broke new spaces for new ways of living our lives will appear and we might gain some freedom in the end….it will not be a easy road, it will for sure be a hard lesson but at least we can say did it our selves without the multi-death-corporations, money from the state while doing this would be nice to have if it comes with no strings attached….

    Just because you get some social welfare money do not say that you stop to work with the things that you find important, it might not be mesureable in capitalistic terms but it still be very useful and important for many others, yourself included….

    But who am I to tell others how to live their lives, I can only say it worked for me…. ๐Ÿ™‚

    #1249291
    AvatarDaftFader
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    Look into the research of “Edward Bernays” and the work he was doing. He was a psychologist what worked for the advertisement companies and believed that the human race were all savages unless controlled. His method of control, consumerism. (He was Sigmund Freud cousin as well)

    #1249289
    Avatarcheeseweasel
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    @ShaftInvader 470206 wrote:

    Look into the research of “Edward Bernays” and the work he was doing. He was a psychologist what worked for the advertisement companies and believed that the human race were all savages unless controlled. His method of control, consumerism. (He was Sigmund Freud cousin as well)

    Weirdly, I watched an excellent documentary by Adam Curtis about Bernays a couple of days ago (I guess maybe you watched it too Daft?). It’s called Century of the Self.

    It’s available to watch here…

    I’m now watching everything else Adam Curtis has ever made as that’s one of the best documentary series I’ve ever seen.

    #1249292
    AvatarDaftFader
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    @cheeseweasel 470208 wrote:

    Weirdly, I watched an excellent documentary by Adam Curtis about Bernays a couple of days ago (I guess maybe you watched it too Daft?). It’s called Century of the Self.

    It’s available to watch here…

    I’m now watching everything else Adam Curtis has ever made as that’s one of the best documentary series I’ve ever seen.

    Is that the 4 part documentary? I’ve seen that before if it is … ๐Ÿ™‚

    It’s a very good documentary I agree.

    #1249290
    Avatarcheeseweasel
    Participant

    Yep, that’s the one. Also well worth a look is “All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace” which he did last year, and “The Power of Nightmares” which talks about the rise of neo-conservativism in the USA.

    #1249293
    AvatarDaftFader
    Participant

    @cheeseweasel 470238 wrote:

    Yep, that’s the one. Also well worth a look is “All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace” which he did last year, and “The Power of Nightmares” which talks about the rise of neo-conservativism in the USA.

    nice I’ll have to check them out.

    #1249299
    AvatarGylfi Gudbjornsson
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    The world is only cruel to the badger.

    #1249307
    Avatarknow_hope
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    @dubstep_joe 467948 wrote:

    Something I’ve been thinking about…

    We work a large majority of our lives, and in today’s world with it’s technologies and infrastructure, we sort of work for our ‘survival’ in a indirect way… But is it just me or is the effort we put into ‘work’ not really that advantages to the ‘direct’ sort of way in the first place.

    We need food and stuff to survive right, but instead of directly hunting or stuff for food we believe/assume that there are more efficient ways of doing it.

    We have technology, machines, amazing stuff to hopefully make all our lives easier… But why do we have a possibly large amount of people struggling with poverty/health? Is it just a small limitation that has developed?

    Surely with all our technology/machines we shouldn’t need to be working 9 hours a day? I don’t see birds or spiders or manbearpigs in stressful situations as these?

    Or is it just that the humans are really shit at survival and without our gasoline and calculators we’d all be dead already in the first place?

    Where is all our effort going into?
    Why do we work such ‘strenuous’ ways with all our intelligence and products of it?
    Why do we have poverty?

    nice thread ๐Ÿ™‚

    maybe we’re just in the ‘age of irresponsibility’ and this is just one of many stages of progress. perhaps one day in the not too distant future, children will read plasma history books in school and learn of how people of our time came to create incredible new technologies, but had not yet understood the importance of playing nicely and sharing toys

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