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  • #1038443
    K_trina
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    Just wanted to make a thread to remember those who lost their lives on this day last year…My cousin was lucky in that she came back from the hospital alive, but others weren’t so lucky…fuck knows why those selfish cunts did it, but the decisions of those three men have changed many lives forever…I couldn’t imagine how I’d feel towards those men if my cousin did die, luckily I will never know..unlike the families and friends of those 30odd people.

    Rest In Peace xXx:love:

    #1081439
    Meltown
    Participant

    Just had our 2 minutes silence at work, spent it thinkin more about all the wrong shit we’ve done and continue to do to certain eastern countries an how incomparable it is with what they did to us, although its still unjustifiable thing to do

    #1081425
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    K_trina wrote:
    Just wanted to make a thread to remember those who lost their lives on this day last year…My cousin was lucky in that she came back from the hospital alive, but others weren’t so lucky…fuck knows why those selfish cunts did it,

    because other selfish cunts were and still are fucking around all across the world with their own power games; and no one anywhere in this world seems willing to reach a consensus or a compromise.

    We (of all races and cultures) are often brought up (or encouraged by our peers) to fight, fight, and fight again for what we believe in using whatever means we can; and once a person loses respect for their own life, they are never going to respect anyone elses.

    Of course the people with power get away with fighting using armies, cops etc but others without convetional power will inevitably take matters into their own hands. Further, young men worldwide, unless given suitable positive advice and guidance with their lives are easily sucked into a culture of using hate and violence to get their way.

    In the 1970s there was the Irish civil war (still ongoing but on a lesser scale), in the 1980s and 1990s there were (and still are) “animal rights” activists who enjoy making bombs as much as (if not more so) than protecting animals (one was found to be a random angry lad who had never even attended a meeting!); on the other side of the political spectrum there are the extreme right wing groups; who even tried to disrupt raves in the 1990s. Some of them were recently foiled trying to bomb multicultural areas; one (David Copeland, the Soho Nail-bomber) actually succeeded in doing so and was the last terrorist attack on London previous to 7/7.

    In many cases we as a society have been lucky as English-speaking terrorists are easily tracked and caught; and some of the “foreign” ones have been succesfully foiled by security forces both home and abroad.

    But long before there were many immigrants in Britain there were people killing each other over religion, including setting fire to houses and places of worship or blowing them up with gunpowder, and kidnapping/executions. it wasn’t called terrorism then, just groups consolidating power and fighting their corner.

    Its always a tragedy for the victims; but until the world learns to co-exist and share resources and people become less prepared to accept violence of any kind as a solution, this is going to happen again and again and again – just that the locations, the victims and the criminals are different each time.

    What I find far more worrying than these organised fanatical groups (who are more than often foiled by security services) is the increasing use of fire and improvised explosive devices in localised domestic disputes, and random “individualist terrorist” attacks such as people deliberately leaving their car on a level crossing to derail a train (happened the year before 7/7 near where I lived).

    #1081433
    K_trina
    Participant

    AS IF FUR FUCKIN SITTINTG THERE RNAND ACTUALLLY GIVING THEM SOME JUSTIFICATION IN WHAT THEY DID

    AND IT DOESTN MARETER IF THE GOVERNMENT ARE FUCKING AROUNF WITH OTHER COUNTRIES, IT WASNT THOSE 52 PEOPLE AND HOWEVER MANY WHO WERE INJURED WHO DID NE FING, ANF THIS THREAD IS FOR THEM, NOT FOR FUCKING POLITICS,

    #1081431
    BioTech
    Participant

    Easy K_Trina. General Lighting is just trying to demonstrate the reason why certain people feel the need for such desperate measures. He is not condoning it or sticking up for them.

    Of course the people who lost their lives or were injured are innocent in all this but it was an event brought about by other countries and our own actions elsewhere.

    You said you didn’t know why they did it so he is simply telling you straight rather than pretend they are crazed loons without purpose attacking our innocent country. Worse shit is carried out by us and US all around the world on a daily basis.

    This does not detract from the fact that it was a sad and needless loss of life and should have never happened.

    #1081434
    K_trina
    Participant

    no one will aever know why they did, the reason may vary from each of them..im couldnt give a fuck why they fucking did it if im honest, watever it was for, I hope God forgives them, i truly do….but I’d rather keep it off of them, the government/war..jus wanted to pay my respect, and showed tht i cared, without all the endless arguments of the war,ifyagetme.

    #1081426
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    K_trina wrote:
    AS IF FUR FUCKIN SITTINTG THERE RNAND ACTUALLLY GIVING THEM SOME JUSTIFICATION IN WHAT THEY DID

    nope – its never justified – no more than war or violence anywhere else in the world is. But these things do happen, and will happen over and over again all across the world until this world is sorted out – which it may never be.

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    AND IT DOESTN MARETER IF THE GOVERNMENT ARE FUCKING AROUNF WITH OTHER COUNTRIES, IT WASNT THOSE 52 PEOPLE AND HOWEVER MANY WHO WERE INJURED WHO DID NE FING, ANF THIS THREAD IS FOR THEM, NOT FOR FUCKING POLITICS,

    Of course they did nothing to deserve this attack – It is a tragedy for them and their families that they died. but if it wasn’t for politics, these incidents would not happen.

    They have been used as pawns in the game of people more powerful than them; and worst of all the government is not even giving the victims their rightful compensation.

    Of course I participated in the silence as well; but that is all we can do.

    It could all happen again tomorrow unless communities unite (and one thing I saw which was good was different cultures supposedly uniting – how real, sincere and lasting this actually is I do not know).

    You cannot escape from politics, nor can you escape from the consequences of them.

    #1081427
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    K_trina wrote:
    no one will aever know why they did, the reason may vary from each of them..im couldnt give a fuck why they fucking did it if im honest, watever it was for, I hope God forgives them, i truly do….but I’d rather keep it off of them, the government/war..jus wanted to pay my respect, and showed tht i cared, without all the endless arguments of the war,ifyagetme.

    fair enough – I understand your sentiments (particularly as a family member was caught up in this incident) but unfortunately you can never escape the “endless arguments of the war” – no more than the 52 dead and 700 injured civillians did. These people are casualties of war – and one which is escalating day by day.

    Worse still, the attackers are brainwashed into carrying out these things because they feel that “God will forgive them”(same thing happened in the 1970s with the IRA etc) – this goes for any other religiously motivated militant group.

    Communities are divided across the country and the world and if we remain in that state, and just refuse to investigate or debate the reasons behind these attacks and say we “don’t care” – then not only will have all these innocent people died and been injured in vain, more violence could follow suit, there will doubtless be reprisal attacks from people associated with the victims (exactly what goes on in NI at the moment).

    Like I said earlier, groups like the BNP and NF know how to make bombs as well and have used them in the past…..

    The fragile multiculturalism of Great Britain will crumble and if this happens the only solution may end up that the “powers that be” decide to sort things out their way – which is by paramilitary force both at home and abroad and a rolling back of civil liberties.

    if this happens, warmongers, terrorists and control freaks will actually win – and TBH the current situation is clearly heading that way.

    Incidentally go and look at the statements of many of the victims families – you will find that they are calling for real public inquiries into why this incident happened (which the govt are refusing to do as they want to play spies/soldiers instead with the available resources) and some of the victims families are even trying to contact the families of the bombers to engage in dialogue with them….

    #1081436
    raverbaby
    Participant

    TBH they could have attacked the source and not the hundereds of innocent people. these days people just seem to be more and more angry and that just seems to well up and flow out in alot of negative forms E.G. casual violence and extremisim. PLUR through main stream society is dying out in my opinion, only the ravers and a select few manage to keep this alive!! I did my best tonight. Was walking through the pub on the phone to my m8 tonight and had one guy come face to face with me and say “oi your a wanker” and then his friend straight after him rammed his face in mine an go “your a fucking tosser” my reaction was just to say “oh, cheers for that I will work on it” an i walked off leaving them rather bemused:weee:

    #1081428
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    raverbaby wrote:
    TBH they could have attacked the source and not the hundereds of innocent people.

    unfortunately these bullies always go for soft targets as its easier and has wider effects. Politicians expect to be attacked or blown up and take appropriate measures, and even in the 70s/80s when the IRA blew up a number of politicians it did not bring down Thatchers Government.

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    these days people just seem to be more and more angry and that just seems to well up and flow out in alot of negative forms E.G. casual violence and extremisim.

    this is indeed true and if more people realised this we may be able to divert people of any culture away from getting involved in radical groups which commit violent crime

    also whilst 52 people died in the bomb attack, a larger number are killed on London’s transport system every year in random attacks/fights; sometimes they are robberies, sometimes it is merely people being in the “wrong place at the wrong time”. Their families also deserve our sympathy…

    I think we owe it to the victims, survivors and familes of all crimes of violence to do whatever possible to find out why people do these things and prevent them from doing so whenever possible. That is the only way we as a society can respect the sacrifice they were forced to make without condemming others to suffer.

    #1081441
    Agent Subby
    Participant
    K_trina wrote:
    AS IF FUR FUCKIN SITTINTG THERE RNAND ACTUALLLY GIVING THEM SOME JUSTIFICATION IN WHAT THEY DID

    AND IT DOESTN MARETER IF THE GOVERNMENT ARE FUCKING AROUNF WITH OTHER COUNTRIES, IT WASNT THOSE 52 PEOPLE AND HOWEVER MANY WHO WERE INJURED WHO DID NE FING, ANF THIS THREAD IS FOR THEM, NOT FOR FUCKING POLITICS,

    Well said! I’m also sick of all the conspiracy theories that are floating around as well. This thread is a remembrance for all those innocent people that were murdered by some sick sewerside bombers that enjoy death more than life.

    #1081429
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    Agent Subby wrote:
    Well said! I’m also sick of all the conspiracy theories that are floating around as well. This thread is a remembrance for all those innocent people that were murdered by some sick sewerside bombers that enjoy death more than life.

    168 more people have just got blown up in India in similar circumstances –

    Like I said, it could happen again and will happen again and has happened again – just in another part of the world and maybe for different reasons – maybe for the same reasons.

    Its always tragedy for everyone involved – but discussing the issues behind these attacks is NOT justifying them – if we don’t get to the bottom of why people carry out these attacks and deal with it – whether it is by dialogue between communities or even if it requires security forces or enforcement action then more attacks will happen, this world will deteriorate further and all the lives will be lost in vain.

    #1081437
    raverbaby
    Participant

    I agree with GL here its always good to know the facts, he aint condoning them he is just enlightening us. surely you want to know the proper reasons as to why this happened and not just spend your time thinking it was just a suicide bombing without reason.

    #1081432
    BioTech
    Participant
    Agent Subby wrote:
    Well said! I’m also sick of all the conspiracy theories that are floating around as well. This thread is a remembrance for all those innocent people that were murdered by some sick sewerside bombers that enjoy death more than life.

    I don’t think it’s being insensitive though.

    Think about it this way. Would the dead innocents prefer us to feel sorry for them and remember them every year without question or understanding?

    Or would they like questions to be asked and possibly/hopefuly answered? Would they want people to try to understand and make the effort to prevent these things from happening again and again? I think they would.

    #1081442
    Agent Subby
    Participant
    BioTech wrote:
    I don’t think it’s being insensitive though.

    Think about it this way. Would the dead innocents prefer us to feel sorry for them and remember them every year without question or understanding?

    Or would they like questions to be asked and possibly/hopefuly answered? Would they want people to try to understand and make the effort to prevent these things from happening again and again? I think they would.

    Good point

    #1081435
    Andy Why
    Participant
    raverbaby wrote:
    TBH they could have attacked the source and not the hundereds of innocent people

    Yes, who can forget the deeds of that great British hero Bomber Harris, and all the guilty civilians the RAF bombed the fuck out of: the women, children and elderly who couldn’t make it to the front line. British military fair play is legendary, isn’t it?

    #1081438
    Raj
    Participant

    sadly true:hopeless:

    #1081430
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    Andy Why? wrote:
    Yes, who can forget the deeds of that great British hero Bomber Harris, and all the guilty civilians the RAF bombed the fuck out of: the women, children and elderly who couldn’t make it to the front line. British military fair play is legendary, isn’t it?

    The same could be said for all military forces. Enemy civilians will always be targeted as a propaganda victory; soldiers expect to die whilst civilians expect to be protected by their countries forces.

    When war occurs all treaties such as Geneva Convention etc are actually impotent as you can’t bring back the dead people; and the warmongers know this.

    I think the conflicts from world war II and the Cold war haven’t even been properly resolved, and part of the problem is that they are still being fought in a different way.

    http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=15410

    Terrorism is merely war downsized, outsourced and offshored. I am hardly surprised it is the new conflict of the 90s and the 21st century.

    Amazingly these days I look upon the times of the Cold War with fondness and nostalgia as I wonder if we were (as individuals) safer then; nukes were so devastating that despite all the bluster the world leaders weren’t really prepared to use them… (of course thats a selfish view as people in other countries were oppressed by their local régimes)

    #1081440
    PHARTY
    Participant
    Andy Why? wrote:
    Yes, who can forget the deeds of that great British hero Bomber Harris, and all the guilty civilians the RAF bombed the fuck out of: the women, children and elderly who couldn’t make it to the front line. British military fair play is legendary, isn’t it?

    BRITTANIA WAIVERS THE RULES…………

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