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    Angel
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      I was told somthing yesterday morning…

      A very old fried have been lying to me for a long time,to “spare my

      feelings”What do i say to this “friend”

      Should i tell him i know the thruth,or just pretend nothing has happend

      and get back at him somehow ?

      #1084902
      Agent Subby
      Participant
        angel wrote:
        I was told somthing yesterday morning…

        A very old fried have been lying to me for a long time,to “spare my

        feelings”What do i say to this “friend”

        Should i tell him i know the thruth,or just pretend nothing has happend

        and get back at him somehow ?

        Lyers don’t prosper angel so you’re the better person in this situation. I’d let this ‘friend’ know that you know that he’s been lying. Then he’ll know very well that you are more than capable than dealing with your own feelings. You’re a much too nice a person to want to gain revenge, because don’t forget angel ‘what goes around, comes around’.:love:
        Take care.

        #1084877
        General Lighting
        Moderator

          just let him know you know the truth. He may be a “friend” you are better off without…

          #1084898
          Shit Robot
          Participant

            They may have thought they were actually helping by lying to maybe try and protect you or somthing .Like GL and Subs say,I would let them know you know and take it from there.But then again Lying is never the best way to deal with a situation.What I mean I think is they may have thought it was the best cause of action and not necesarily malicious.

            Hope you are well:love:

            #1084903
            Agent Subby
            Participant
              GoodDoG wrote:
              They may have thought they were actually helping by lying to maybe try and protect you or somthing .Like GL and Subs say,I would let them know you know and take it from there.But then again Lying is never the best way to deal with a situation.What I mean I think is they may have thought it was the best cause of action and not necesarily malicious.

              Hope you are well:love:

              A very good point GoodDog:wink: . Sometimes the best course of action is to tell a little white lie to protect that person. But only if it’s a LITTLE one.

              #1084897
              Tank Girl
              Participant

                let em know you know and then you can (hopefully) talk about the situation honestly and find out why the lies in the first place and then make a decision what to do…………….

                but do remember Karma, revenge isn’t always sweet … esp when it comes to bite you back in the ass !!

                take care

                #1084878
                General Lighting
                Moderator

                  IMO the only time you should lie to save a friend is when you are sat in a room full of people in uniform with two tape recorders running 😉

                  #1084887
                  Angel
                  Moderator
                    General Lighting wrote:
                    IMO the only time you should lie to save a friend is when you are sat in a room full of people in uniform with two tape recorders running 😉

                    I agree,have done that myself and hurt myself by it..But ill do it ANYTIME again

                    #1084899
                    Shit Robot
                    Participant

                      I agree with general lighting,I wasnt implying that I lie to my friends (Little white ones or otherwise) just that I know other people can and do.For whatever reason Well intentioned or not.

                      #1084888
                      Angel
                      Moderator
                        angel wrote:
                        I agree,have done that myself and hurt myself by it..But ill do it ANYTIME again

                        Have to quote myself..
                        I would NEVER lie for a friend if the crime was murder,child abuse,rape and other crimes like that..Those people DO BELONG IN JAIL..

                        #1084879
                        General Lighting
                        Moderator
                          angel wrote:
                          Have to quote myself..
                          I would NEVER lie for a friend if the crime was murder,child abuse,rape and other crimes like that..Those people DO BELONG IN JAIL..

                          yep that is true for serious crimes where someone else has been hurt or violence used other than in self defence.. but I would not consider people who do these things to be my friends…

                          IMO with official people we may not so much “lie” outright but try to talk down the damage/trouble we are causing with such things as drugs/unlicensed parties so people don’t get such heavy penalties.

                          but I think to combat this we need to have better and more solid morals when interacting with our friends…

                          #1084889
                          Angel
                          Moderator
                            General Lighting wrote:
                            but I would not consider people who do these things to be my friends.

                            i totally agree..but you just never know how people really are,what they are hiding..It can be a friend you have had in 10 years,you find out have done somthing stupid,it will be hard to believe what the police are saying..with the bad experiences you have had with them…you never want to believe that friends you love very much can do somthing bad,you feel betrayed

                            #1084880
                            General Lighting
                            Moderator
                              angel wrote:
                              i totally agree..but you just never know how people really are,what they are hiding..It can be a friend you have had in 10 years,you find out have done somthing stupid

                              hmm – dunno if this is a gender thing?

                              apparently men are better at sensing aggression than women – it is part of the survival mechanism of all male mammals as they need to know when a fight may occur.

                              I’ve always been able to tell from the people I meet which ones are more aggressive than others (this is not the same as just being loud/outgoing, or even standing your ground in the face of unfairness/oppression)

                              in the case of a violent personality it is not very easy to hide it – you notice it in the way they treat others, how they treat animals (especially how they behave towards a pet dog, or if cats often avoid this person)

                              and often when men get together in a male dominated group (and are not just talking about girls/sex) instead of talking about stuff like bikes / cars / technology or things they have created they will boast about what fights/crimes they have done all the time.

                              This sort of person will also act in a predatory and manipulative way towards any women, even the girlfriends of people he knows as they feel “well I can fight him if he complains”

                              Most people who do violent crime aren’t “stupid” – they just don’t think they are wrong and even though they are often fairly good at hiding guilty secreats they are often only caught (even years later) because they let slip they are that sort of person by their behaviour, or they commit violence where there are CCTV cameras, or that they even piss off their friends to the point they are turned in (you must have read news reports where old men are arrested for crimes they did 40 years ago)

                              some men look up to others who are always fighting but I do not – so if I tend to encounter people like this I nowadays do not go around with them; as you always end up getting into some trouble by doing so…

                              #1084890
                              Angel
                              Moderator

                                i guess i’m just gullable(spelling probs,sorry)

                                I so much want to believe that people are good and that have let me down many times..

                                It probably not a gender thing,its just me who dont read people well enough..

                                #1084900
                                Shit Robot
                                Participant

                                  Maybe its just the fairer sex are just more open to people/situations,where as your male in my experience will often size up the person/situation up before committing any further,where as females will be more open from the start.Hope Im making sense here.:wink:
                                  Ps by open I DO NOT mean gullible.

                                  #1084883
                                  Raj
                                  Participant

                                    just tell them you know they are lying and then you can give them a chance to explain if you want

                                    after i catch people out lying i never trust them again so they by definition stop being my friends:bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl

                                    i wouldnt have anything much to do with them again – you dont need friends like that:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy

                                    and they are the losers in this situation – they are missing out on a very special person and they were too stupid to see a treasure when they meet one:you_crazy

                                    you dont need to do anything to people like that for revenge – just enjoy your life and that will be enough – their karma will get them far better than anything you could do to them
                                    what goes around definetely comes around – i have seen it many times

                                    #1084891
                                    Angel
                                    Moderator
                                      GoodDoG wrote:
                                      Maybe its just the fairer sex are just more open to people/situations,where as your male in my experience will often size up the person/situation up before committing any further,where as females will be more open from the start.Hope Im making sense here.:wink:
                                      Ps by open I DO NOT mean gullible.

                                      Didnt think you were:groucho: :groucho:

                                      And you do make sense..

                                      #1084904
                                      Agent Subby
                                      Participant
                                        Agent Subby wrote:
                                        A very good point GoodDog:wink: . Sometimes the best course of action is to tell a little white lie to protect that person. But only if it’s a LITTLE one.

                                        I think I need to make myself clear here before I get lambasted. An example of what I mean is:
                                        Sometime ago I ran up a considerable amount of rent arrears due to my social situation. Now I had to tell my Mother about my predicament, but she [Mother] get’s extremely panicky about problems like this, where she can see no end in sight. So the best course of action at that time was to tell her that the arrears were a substantial lot less than they actually were. The amount in my eyes was not the crucial factor because they were going to get paid off. But in my Mothers eyes the amount would have caused a huge ammount of stress to her, so IMO I did the right thing even though I told a lie. Hope this clears things up:wink: .

                                        #1084892
                                        Angel
                                        Moderator

                                          Well i dont tell my parents everything you know..It would be a little hard becauce i dont have much contact with them,they absolutely HATE eachother,i have so often been caught in the middle of their fighting,that it was easyer for me to tell them to GTH..Have grown up with my grandparents,they were old and they didnt understand what was happening in my life,so i didnt tell them much…I dont know if that is telling lies or just…..i dont know..

                                          #1084884
                                          Raj
                                          Participant
                                            angel wrote:
                                            Well i dont tell my parents everything you know..It would be a little hard becauce i dont have much contact with them,they absolutely HATE eachother,i have so often been caught in the middle of their fighting,that it was easyer for me to tell them to GTH..Have grown up with my grandparents,they were old and they didnt understand what was happening in my life,so i didnt tell them much…I dont know if that is telling lies or just…..i dont know..

                                            thats self preservation angel:group_hug:group_hug:group_hug

                                            when your parents use you as a a pawn in their fights and try to make you involved you give them as little as possible to use against you:get_you::get_you::get_you::get_you:

                                            and i know what you mean about not telling people much because they dont understand where you are coming from – i had that problem too and dealt with it in the same way:bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl

                                            its what you had to do to survive – dont feel bad about that [it is your parents fault for being too childish to realise that their job was to look after you and not to use you as a way of getting at each other:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy]
                                            [that really winds me up BTW; parents who hate each other trying to use the kids against each other – it is not the kids fault but the kids grow up in a lot of cases feeling responsible for their parents being brats ]

                                            #1084893
                                            Angel
                                            Moderator

                                              Starting to realise my life have sucked from the day i was born.:hopeless: :hopeless:

                                              GDI

                                              #1084885
                                              Raj
                                              Participant

                                                :group_hug:group_hug:group_hug:group_hug:group_hug

                                                easy angel :love::love::love:

                                                #1084881
                                                General Lighting
                                                Moderator

                                                  I think young life (and most of us are still leading “young persons” lifestyles) is hard for everyone.

                                                  In the case of Agent Subby and myself there is another side to the coin – both of us have a British Asian background and families are often very close together (despite the inevitable disputes). (I could identify immediately with the situation he had with his mother!)

                                                  When you are growing up your parents do take a lot of interest in what you are getting up to; they look after you but there is much pressure to succeed academically, to compete and to work hard (and not be distracted by hedonism)

                                                  Parents worry a lot (especially as they see how competitive the world is) and always challenge some aspects of your lifestyles or refuse to accept these aspects altogether.

                                                  So sometimes having to carry out “damage limitation exercises” (i.e not giving full extent of what you are up to) is inevitable.

                                                  #1084905
                                                  Agent Subby
                                                  Participant

                                                    Absolutely General Lighting. I couldn’t have put it better myself.:wink:

                                                    #1084894
                                                    Angel
                                                    Moderator
                                                      General Lighting wrote:
                                                      I think young life (and most of us are still leading “young persons” lifestyles) is hard for everyone.

                                                      In the case of Agent Subby and myself there is another side to the coin – both of us have a British Asian background and families are often very close together (despite the inevitable disputes). (I could identify immediately with the situation he had with his mother!)

                                                      When you are growing up your parents do take a lot of interest in what you are getting up to; they look after you but there is much pressure to succeed academically, to compete and to work hard (and not be distracted by hedonism)

                                                      Parents worry a lot (especially as they see how competitive the world is) and always challenge some aspects of your lifestyles or refuse to accept these aspects altogether.

                                                      So sometimes having to carry out “damage limitation exercises” (i.e not giving full extent of what you are up to) is inevitable.

                                                      Its not funny either when your parents dont care about you..

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