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    sistersemtex
    Participant

    I have received this e mail today.

    There was photos from the exhibition and I decided that these not appropriate to post as they are very upsetting if you wish to see them google the artists name

    Please fill in the petition I have.

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    Hi all,

    this is a very serious matter…

    In the 2007, the ‘artist’ Guillermo Vargas Habacuc, took a dog from the street, he tied him to a rope in an art gallery, starving him to death.

    For several days, the ‘artist’ and the visitors of the exhibition have watched emotionless the shameful ‘masterpiece’ based on the dog’s agony, until eventually he died

    Does it look like art to you?

    But this is not all… the prestigious Visual Arts Biennial of the Central American decided that the ‘installation’ was actually art, so that Guillermo Vargas Habacuc has been invited to repeat his cruel action for the biennial of 2008.

    Let’s STOP HIM!!!!!

    Click on the folowing link :

    http://www.petitiononline.com/ea6gk/petition.html

    Please do it.

    It’s free of charge, there is no need to register, and it will only take 1 minute to save the life of an innocent creature.

    Please also send this e-mail to as many contact as you can… Let’s stop him!!!

    If you want to double check all the above informations you can google the name of the ‘artist’ to see all I have just said corresponds to truth, .

    Thank you

    __________________

    #1160959
    voodoovanity
    Participant

    signed it.. fucking sick

    #1218824
    voodoovanity
    Participant

    signed it.. fucking sick

    #1160950
    elretardo87
    Participant

    The original exhibition was sick no denying that but (I am in no way supporting the events just putting them in context so don’t attack me)….

    In the very worst case….

    1) Many report that the dog was torutured and beaten as part of the exhibition that is not true.

    2) The dog that was found was not chased about the streets until captured…it was so close to death they found it and took it in.

    3) The whole idea of the exhibition was to raise awareness so that people who would normally ignore a dog in such a state would look again and help rather than just walk past , thus saving future dogs

    4) The event was never done in Costa Rica it was in Nicaragua (which has no animal rights alws) and can’t be held in Costa Rica as they have laws preventing it so the facts in the petition don’t add up.

    Now the actual gallery claims that the dog was in fact well treated and did not die but was released during the night by people who got the wrong end of the stick about what was going on.

    Remember I am totally pro animal rights but the facts don;t all seem to add up with this one.

    #1218816
    elretardo87
    Participant

    The original exhibition was sick no denying that but (I am in no way supporting the events just putting them in context so don’t attack me)….

    In the very worst case….

    1) Many report that the dog was torutured and beaten as part of the exhibition that is not true.

    2) The dog that was found was not chased about the streets until captured…it was so close to death they found it and took it in.

    3) The whole idea of the exhibition was to raise awareness so that people who would normally ignore a dog in such a state would look again and help rather than just walk past , thus saving future dogs

    4) The event was never done in Costa Rica it was in Nicaragua (which has no animal rights alws) and can’t be held in Costa Rica as they have laws preventing it so the facts in the petition don’t add up.

    Now the actual gallery claims that the dog was in fact well treated and did not die but was released during the night by people who got the wrong end of the stick about what was going on.

    Remember I am totally pro animal rights but the facts don;t all seem to add up with this one.

    #1160956
    lilmstrixta
    Participant

    I got this email on friday, sick i signed left a comment won’t let you know what i said sick it made me upset all day

    #1218821
    lilmstrixta
    Participant

    I got this email on friday, sick i signed left a comment won’t let you know what i said sick it made me upset all day

    #1160952
    hyperSkunk
    Participant

    done and done

    #1218818
    hyperSkunk
    Participant

    done and done

    #1160960
    rachus
    Participant

    thats dam sick.
    Art would be saving the dog and giving it a life not watching it die. its totally unjustified.

    sick sick sick, i hate animal cruelty, like …truly hate it.

    #1218825
    rachus
    Participant

    thats dam sick.
    Art would be saving the dog and giving it a life not watching it die. its totally unjustified.

    sick sick sick, i hate animal cruelty, like …truly hate it.

    #1160953
    JonnyQuest
    Participant

    i dont care about the dog, i just dont think its very good art, and i failed an art a level twice so i know art p.s this aint it

    #1218819
    JonnyQuest
    Participant

    i dont care about the dog, i just dont think its very good art, and i failed an art a level twice so i know art p.s this aint it

    #1160957
    Dom_sufc
    Participant

    Ok, before we all jump on the bandwagon…

    I read Eltardo’s post, and decided to do a bit of research myself.

    I saw loads of articles, mostly biased, presenting no facts or evidence, other than what seems to have been passed through Tabloids.

    I read several contradicting and/or interesting things:

    1: The dog was tied up for only 3 hours before It escaped.
    2: The dog was only tied up during open hours over the 3 days
    3: The dog was fed and watered when not on display
    4: The dog didn’t escape, it died there.
    5: Ive seen the dog been given 2 different names
    6: The artist is 30 years old
    7: The artist is 50 years old
    8: I also read that a US Humane Aid team said the dog was fed and watered “as far as they could tell” – I cant find the source of this news page now, but its not to say this is true of false anyway.
    From these points you can see there is alot of misinformation that has led to speculation and hearsay.

    Now If you consider the best possible situation, where the dog was fed ect, and was only tied up for 3 hours, and had escaped afterwards. This would be with good intentions to raise starving dog awareness in where ever he was talking about. It makes a point of how even when the starving animal is right infront of them, barely anyone cares for it. Just as on the streets of the place the artist is representing.

    Im an animal lover just like you lot against this person. I hate cruelty to animals, and I dont even kill spiders.

    Everyone knows that we are all hypocrites to a certain degree, but we have to obviously keep It to a minimum. But It seems In this situation, people are arguing with the eyes closed and the mouth open. Take us free partiers for example. To us a free party is fun, has great community, with great individuals that all mostly share the love for the music and the good vibes. And from who I meet there, and the people especially on here, I know there’s alot of clever folks, who are more than just dirty drug taking chavs like the media would like people to believe. And Its widely believed that’s what we are. For the simple reason that they jump on the bandwagon and believe what they hear without hearing any facts or seeing any real evidence of the scene as a whole.

    Now we all constantly go on about how people should be more open minded, and find all the facts before they judge us. However, this is what some of you are doing right now with this situation. Instead of looking it up for yourselves.

    Like I said, we are all hypocrites to some extent, including myself obviously. And although we all are, it doesn’t mean we should choose to ignore the importance of not being a hypocrite, even if we only realise what we are doing 1 in 10 times of doing something that is contradictory to what we have said before…

    Despite this post, I signed the petition too. Although I feel really daft now, and wish I had read more before I did. However If what Eltardo said was right, about where the exhibit is being hosted and their lack of animal rights, it wont make a difference anyway, not that that helps me not look like an Idiot still lol.

    Not forgetting too, there is also the worst scenario. But there is just too much biased information on the net for us to judge.

    Which opens an Interesting question; what are we meant to do in this situation, and other similar situations where there is no real evidence, but where the opinion matters alot, on both sides of the argument? It happens on the news all the time. This sort of deep going-round-in-circles talk keeps me awake thinking about :crazy_diz

    #1218822
    Dom_sufc
    Participant

    Ok, before we all jump on the bandwagon…

    I read Eltardo’s post, and decided to do a bit of research myself.

    I saw loads of articles, mostly biased, presenting no facts or evidence, other than what seems to have been passed through Tabloids.

    I read several contradicting and/or interesting things:

    1: The dog was tied up for only 3 hours before It escaped.
    2: The dog was only tied up during open hours over the 3 days
    3: The dog was fed and watered when not on display
    4: The dog didn’t escape, it died there.
    5: Ive seen the dog been given 2 different names
    6: The artist is 30 years old
    7: The artist is 50 years old
    8: I also read that a US Humane Aid team said the dog was fed and watered “as far as they could tell” – I cant find the source of this news page now, but its not to say this is true of false anyway.
    From these points you can see there is alot of misinformation that has led to speculation and hearsay.

    Now If you consider the best possible situation, where the dog was fed ect, and was only tied up for 3 hours, and had escaped afterwards. This would be with good intentions to raise starving dog awareness in where ever he was talking about. It makes a point of how even when the starving animal is right infront of them, barely anyone cares for it. Just as on the streets of the place the artist is representing.

    Im an animal lover just like you lot against this person. I hate cruelty to animals, and I dont even kill spiders.

    Everyone knows that we are all hypocrites to a certain degree, but we have to obviously keep It to a minimum. But It seems In this situation, people are arguing with the eyes closed and the mouth open. Take us free partiers for example. To us a free party is fun, has great community, with great individuals that all mostly share the love for the music and the good vibes. And from who I meet there, and the people especially on here, I know there’s alot of clever folks, who are more than just dirty drug taking chavs like the media would like people to believe. And Its widely believed that’s what we are. For the simple reason that they jump on the bandwagon and believe what they hear without hearing any facts or seeing any real evidence of the scene as a whole.

    Now we all constantly go on about how people should be more open minded, and find all the facts before they judge us. However, this is what some of you are doing right now with this situation. Instead of looking it up for yourselves.

    Like I said, we are all hypocrites to some extent, including myself obviously. And although we all are, it doesn’t mean we should choose to ignore the importance of not being a hypocrite, even if we only realise what we are doing 1 in 10 times of doing something that is contradictory to what we have said before…

    Despite this post, I signed the petition too. Although I feel really daft now, and wish I had read more before I did. However If what Eltardo said was right, about where the exhibit is being hosted and their lack of animal rights, it wont make a difference anyway, not that that helps me not look like an Idiot still lol.

    Not forgetting too, there is also the worst scenario. But there is just too much biased information on the net for us to judge.

    Which opens an Interesting question; what are we meant to do in this situation, and other similar situations where there is no real evidence, but where the opinion matters alot, on both sides of the argument? It happens on the news all the time. This sort of deep going-round-in-circles talk keeps me awake thinking about :crazy_diz

    #1160954
    JonnyQuest
    Participant

    i didnt sign this cause i dont think internet petitions do anything at all also i really honestly am not massivly fussed about a dead dog, theres lots of dead dogs, so fuck it, soz

    #1218820
    JonnyQuest
    Participant

    i didnt sign this cause i dont think internet petitions do anything at all also i really honestly am not massivly fussed about a dead dog, theres lots of dead dogs, so fuck it, soz

    #1160951
    sistersemtex
    Participant

    I did do some research before posting this thread. It seems to me that it is very hard to find out exactly what happened. I have therefore got a friend who is a journalist and who can speak spanish to research this more.

    I feel that asking you to sign a petition was not stupid as if it is true that he intends to starve another dog to death at least it gives that dog a voice and shows public opinion.

    As I work in radio with the help of my friend we will try to set up a telephone interview with the artist to find out what really happened and what is planned for the next exhibition if I do manage this I will post what I learned

    I realise though that we may never find out what really happened. Some of the sites say that the artist has changed his story repetedly each time trying to make himself sound more humane as the story evolves.

    I understand the point that millions of animals die every year through starvation and neglect I also know that millions of people witness this every day and do nothing. I however can not watch an animal suffering and have many a time spent hours trying to encourage a stray cat to trust me so I could catch it so it could get medical attention. Putting a sick dog through an exhibition even if it is only for a few hours, where it is chained up and dog food is on the wall above it and it is obviously emaciated is cruel.
    As some sites have claimed the animal when caught was lightly to die as it was too ill to have lived. The kindest thing would have been to put it to sleep humanly and displayed the corpse which would have got the same message accross with out suffering

    #1218817
    sistersemtex
    Participant

    I did do some research before posting this thread. It seems to me that it is very hard to find out exactly what happened. I have therefore got a friend who is a journalist and who can speak spanish to research this more.

    I feel that asking you to sign a petition was not stupid as if it is true that he intends to starve another dog to death at least it gives that dog a voice and shows public opinion.

    As I work in radio with the help of my friend we will try to set up a telephone interview with the artist to find out what really happened and what is planned for the next exhibition if I do manage this I will post what I learned

    I realise though that we may never find out what really happened. Some of the sites say that the artist has changed his story repetedly each time trying to make himself sound more humane as the story evolves.

    I understand the point that millions of animals die every year through starvation and neglect I also know that millions of people witness this every day and do nothing. I however can not watch an animal suffering and have many a time spent hours trying to encourage a stray cat to trust me so I could catch it so it could get medical attention. Putting a sick dog through an exhibition even if it is only for a few hours, where it is chained up and dog food is on the wall above it and it is obviously emaciated is cruel.
    As some sites have claimed the animal when caught was lightly to die as it was too ill to have lived. The kindest thing would have been to put it to sleep humanly and displayed the corpse which would have got the same message accross with out suffering

    #1160958
    Dom_sufc
    Participant
    sistersemtex wrote:
    I understand the point that millions of animals die every year through starvation and neglect I also know that millions of people witness this every day and do nothing. I however can not watch an animal suffering and have many a time spent hours trying to encourage a stray cat to trust me so I could catch it so it could get medical attention. Putting a sick dog through an exhibition even if it is only for a few hours, where it is chained up and dog food is on the wall above it and it is obviously emaciated is cruel.
    As some sites have claimed the animal when caught was lightly to die as it was too ill to have lived. The kindest thing would have been to put it to sleep humanly and displayed the corpse which would have got the same message accross with out suffering

    I most definitely agree with you. Even with the best scenario, the thought crossed my mind on how the dog must have been feeling sat there… Although many dogs live happily in small confined roaming cages. Its still hard for me to make an opinion up on this.

    I look forward to seeing what your friend comes up with. When I was looking, a huge portion of the sites were Spanish, and I also wasn’t familiar with place names, people names, and event names. So it was hard to follow leads.

    #1218823
    Dom_sufc
    Participant
    sistersemtex wrote:
    I understand the point that millions of animals die every year through starvation and neglect I also know that millions of people witness this every day and do nothing. I however can not watch an animal suffering and have many a time spent hours trying to encourage a stray cat to trust me so I could catch it so it could get medical attention. Putting a sick dog through an exhibition even if it is only for a few hours, where it is chained up and dog food is on the wall above it and it is obviously emaciated is cruel.
    As some sites have claimed the animal when caught was lightly to die as it was too ill to have lived. The kindest thing would have been to put it to sleep humanly and displayed the corpse which would have got the same message accross with out suffering

    I most definitely agree with you. Even with the best scenario, the thought crossed my mind on how the dog must have been feeling sat there… Although many dogs live happily in small confined roaming cages. Its still hard for me to make an opinion up on this.

    I look forward to seeing what your friend comes up with. When I was looking, a huge portion of the sites were Spanish, and I also wasn’t familiar with place names, people names, and event names. So it was hard to follow leads.

    #1160961
    marysometimes
    Participant

    I got that email too, and my first reaction was of complete shock. but as i looked for more info, everything seemed contradicting and very biased. eitherway I signed the petition.

    As some sites have claimed the animal when caught was lightly to die as it was too ill to have lived. The kindest thing would have been to put it to sleep humanly and displayed the corpse which would have got the same message accross with out suffering


    I agree with you. If the aim of that “art” exhibition was to make people aware of animal agony and start doing something about it, then like you said there were other ways of producing that effect.

    Rudolf Schwarzkogler threw himself out of a window during a performance (I think), and many artists in that scene used their own body to support the happening, but well, they were doing it willingly.

    #1218826
    marysometimes
    Participant

    I got that email too, and my first reaction was of complete shock. but as i looked for more info, everything seemed contradicting and very biased. eitherway I signed the petition.

    As some sites have claimed the animal when caught was lightly to die as it was too ill to have lived. The kindest thing would have been to put it to sleep humanly and displayed the corpse which would have got the same message accross with out suffering


    I agree with you. If the aim of that “art” exhibition was to make people aware of animal agony and start doing something about it, then like you said there were other ways of producing that effect.

    Rudolf Schwarzkogler threw himself out of a window during a performance (I think), and many artists in that scene used their own body to support the happening, but well, they were doing it willingly.

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