September 12, 2009 at 6:44 pm #1206296joshd96320Participant
@Iacchus 350736 wrote:
interestingly roland themselves have failed to clone the 303.. they rebuilt the circuits in models such as the MC-303 and MC-909 but the sound was too pure and clean. Design flaws in the original gave it that dirty scratchy sound that nobody has ever quite hit on again.
i thought the mc303 was sampled?
@Iacchus 350737 wrote:
alas I want to use snide versions of a whole host of software and plugins.. ive had to kiss goodbye to some of my favourites like Intakt, quantum leap RA, getablitch, and many more since being lumped with vista. I’d be tempted to try windows 7 and see if they all start magically working again before I fork out on the mac.
still want logic and metasyth tho 😛
i do believe windows 7 somehow emulates the xp kernel or something, so windows 7 will run an xp program as xp would, whereas vista makes a dog of it and runs it like an inside out microwave
@Iacchus 350741 wrote:
how do you know everything? *squints at you suspiciously*
you seem to have an encyclopedic knowledge of most subjects discussed on this forum 😉
i concur. :laugh_at:
@General Lighting 350742 wrote:
I don’t know everything but I started getting interested in technology when my age was in single figures, grew up in the days when analogue audio kit was still common and worked in the TV/brodcast industry in the late 90s during the analogue/digital crossover 😉
in the 1980s there was a time when if you wanted some gadgets you had to build them…
I wholeheartedly agree with those who still prefer analogue kit (for both recording and creating music) but sadly the recording/delivery methods of today put in so much compression any subtle differences are lost..
raaa, i like to touch buttons rather than clickSeptember 13, 2009 at 1:22 am #1206279elretardo87Participant
@General Lighting 350740 wrote:
it would probably be stuff like the use of cheaper 2SA-2SC series of transistors in the circuitry with more random noise (due to impurities in the semiconductors) as well as other components presumably no longer made or made to much higher tolerances these days..
Now here was me thinking that was because the machines mentioned were sample based. 😉September 13, 2009 at 9:36 am #1206273General LightingModerator
I could if I wanted find loads of endless arguments and tech papers (in various languages) over analogue vs digital for a lot of creative applications, but ultimately the best test equipment for AV applications is ears and eyes and I know as do many people from their mid 20s upwards there is a definite difference in quality between analogue and digital originated content.
I tried to find a circuit diagram of an original 303 but Roland’s lawyers seem very quick to make people take them down. There was also a change from analogue circuitry to DSP for the filters which would also have subtly changed the characteristics of how everything worked. Although a lot of 1980s equipment had chips in it many of these were custom built analogue IC’s, made by the Japanese and the internal transistors based around the 2S series. In some cases the priority was miniaturisation over audio quality, even today better amps are made with discrete components.
Iacchus also mentions other attempts to clone the sound, and you can still buy discrete components today so presumably others as well as Roland have had a go and not managed it…
Ironically random noise in older semiconductors was viewed as a great nuisance during the analogue days, particularly as if it got into a feedback loop it could lead to oscillation at frequencies above audio and eventually thermal runaway (where the circuit overheats and destroys itself). Today its only used for generating encryption keys for computers.
My former employers unfortunately skimped on some of their components for an analogue audio board and we used to get loads of the bloody things sent back for repair due to thermal runaway this seems to be a British syndrome, it was even why years ago the telly announcer warned you to switch off the set after closedown, as some British TV’s left plugged in without a transmitter signal would actually catch on fire!September 13, 2009 at 10:50 am #1206308
@joshd96320 350756 wrote:
i thought the mc303 was sampled?
for the drums yes, didnt think so for the 303 sounds.. i could be wrong!September 13, 2009 at 10:52 am #1206309
@General Lighting 350790 wrote:
I could if I wanted find loads of endless arguments and tech papers (in various languages) over analogue vs digital for a lot of creative applications,
since the birth of total integration like with the virus i dont think i could ever go back to using a device that didnt have a software front end 😛September 13, 2009 at 10:56 am #1206275General LightingModerator
is that the one where the synth plugs into a mac but uses analogue circuitry, and you use the software instead of patch panels? I think my friend in Bristol has one of them…September 13, 2009 at 11:01 am #1206311
its analogue modelling so all DSP. it has lots of knobs and buttons but connects by USB and has a VST front end. So you can use it without even touching the hardware. When you load up a song in your sequencer it automatically loads up all the right patches on the hardware etc. When you turn a knob on the hardware it turns on your software front end too. the front end is a lot ore versitile than the hardware as you can draw waveforms with the mouse and flick between oscillator/envelope/lfo/effects screens much easier than on the hardware interfaceSeptember 13, 2009 at 12:22 pm #1206326vincentx90Participant
friggin’ awesome, this sounds like just the piece of kit i’m after…
£1k+?September 13, 2009 at 2:43 pm #1206312
i picked up my virus TI polar (1st generation) second hand for 1kSeptember 13, 2009 at 9:17 pm #1206289
btw i like your acid tek tune usedtobecoolSeptember 15, 2009 at 3:08 pm #1206314
@p0ly 350865 wrote:
btw i like your acid tek tune usedtobecool
cheers.. wish i’d kept it up sometimes, but wasnt going to get anywhere without a 909 and i was all unemployed and stuff.. breakcore seemed a much cheaper avenue to persue 😛September 16, 2009 at 12:07 am #1206290
909s go for more than 303sSeptember 16, 2009 at 8:12 am #1206316
@p0ly 351208 wrote:
909s go for more than 303s
indeed, as they’re used so much in hip hop and other genres. Wouldnt catch a 303 in hip hop :weee:September 16, 2009 at 10:52 am #1206292
@Iacchus 351235 wrote:
indeed, as they’re used so much in hip hop and other genres. Wouldnt catch a 303 in hip hop :weee:
acid hip hop :laugh_at:September 16, 2009 at 11:15 am #1206317
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