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  • #1048011
    Clusterfrog
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      My tb-303 just sold on ebay… *sniff*

      had that 5 glorious years.. we’ve had a lot of fun together.. but its been gathering dust the last couple of years as I dont make acid music anymore..

      On the plus side it went for ยฃ1000!! Time to go mac shopping :bounce_fl

      #1206281
      DaftFader
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        don’t waste all that lovely cash on a MAC !! :O

        #1206298
        Clusterfrog
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          i bought a new PC about a year ago.. XP doesnt run on it without sound stutters

          in vista half the VSTs I want to use dont even load, I have to keep restarting it, albeton is really buggy in vista..

          I want to use logic and metasynth but they’re both mac only..

          im sick of pcs.. unless you can suggest a better way to spend the money ๐Ÿ˜›

          #1206276
          elretardo87
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            Get windows 7 it rocks.

            I use OSX, xp, windows 7 and a few releases of linux and windows 7 is the most stable.

            #1206294
            joshd96320
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              @Iacchus 350594 wrote:

              i bought a new PC about a year ago.. XP doesnt run on it without sound stutters

              in vista half the VSTs I want to use dont even load, I have to keep restarting it, albeton is really buggy in vista..

              I want to use logic and metasynth but they’re both mac only..

              im sick of pcs.. unless you can suggest a better way to spend the money ๐Ÿ˜›

              send it to me? :love:

              #1206319
              deliriyummy
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                if ur making music… go for a mac i recon? i mean tell me if im wrong but i think thats kinda what they are for!! plus…. actually no plus….. oh wait actually…. plus macs look the nuts.

                #1206286
                p0ly
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                  x0xb0xs are worth havin over 303s i reckon anyway, cheaper and exactly the same.

                  but i’d be sad to see that beauty go

                  #1206321
                  vincentx90
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                    get the mac, pc’s are nothing but a pain in the ar**

                    #1206287
                    p0ly
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                      haahahah

                      #1206278
                      elretardo87
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                        @vincentx90 350639 wrote:

                        get the mac, pc’s are nothing but a pain in the ar**

                        as I mentioned before I fix macs and PCs and macs are getting less reliable while pcs are getting more.

                        The more macs become compatable with everything the more of a pain in the arse they become.

                        #1206322
                        vincentx90
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                          with macs they either work or they don’t, kinda black’n’white, while pc’s just about always work but never properly…

                          and if they don’t work then yeh they’re a pile of sh**e and i’d hate to try and repair one, but the working product is better for certain tasks like music… is all more intuitive and integrated…

                          but that’s just my opinion :s

                          #1206264
                          General Lighting
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                            OSX appears to be a linux knock-off with a pretty face.

                            It looks like an update of 1990s Sun or SGI box and is powerful but like most Unix based systems they are rock solid if used properly and left alone if working but you can hose up stuff really badly if you don’t know what you are doing..

                            Macs are very much like the custom audio/video kit I worked on in the 1990s during my time as an engineer in the TV industry.

                            Bear in mind in studios they have techies to fix the stuff when the creatives find it has gone tits up and because of the loss of revenue involved with downtime the techies are expected to work fast. Many home users don’t always have this luxury

                            both platforms can be flaky if you get the wrong combination of software and hardware… I’ve only just now managed to get a reliable PC video editing platform – it doesn’t look pretty (its based around a 3 year old laptop and the second monitor is CRT based!) but it works..

                            hardware failures are rare with stand alone computers but with multimedia there is always risks of static, power surges, rising ground voltages on the mains, how many people have their project studio’s mains wiring checked out before they build it?

                            #1206299
                            Clusterfrog
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                              @elretardo87 350669 wrote:

                              as I mentioned before I fix macs and PCs and macs are getting less reliable while pcs are getting more.

                              The more macs become compatable with everything the more of a pain in the arse they become.

                              the overall operating system may be getting more stable but when half of the music software you want to use doesnt even load on anything beyond XP then what’s the point?

                              maybe the plugins will release special windows 7 versions.. cant be arsed to hang around and find out

                              #1206301
                              Clusterfrog
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                                @p0ly 350624 wrote:

                                x0xb0xs are worth havin over 303s i reckon anyway, cheaper and exactly the same.

                                but i’d be sad to see that beauty go

                                a connoisseur would be able to tell the difference ;P

                                but one reason I thought it good to shift it is that clones are getting more and more accurate, the day will come when its perfectly cloned and will become worthless so thought it good to get it off my hands now!

                                #1206282
                                DaftFader
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                                  i just got a surge protector with ยฃ50,000 worth of damage cover for my pc only cost me a tenner or something close and i think my PC power suply regulates the voltage ect. b4 it gets to the important parts of the pc .. alltho my sound equip is pretty vunerable

                                  #1206265
                                  General Lighting
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                                    surge protectors are good – I have them on all the kit at work as we are out in the sticks. I also use a UPS for the telephone system and it is linked up to the linux core server so I get graphs of the power. the mains electricity from EDF can be very ropey in some areas…

                                    #1206267
                                    General Lighting
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                                      @Iacchus 350714 wrote:

                                      a connoisseur would be able to tell the difference ;P

                                      but one reason I thought it good to shift it is that clones are getting more and more accurate, the day will come when its perfectly cloned and will become worthless so thought it good to get it off my hands now!

                                      would be the wheel turning full circle, the japs used to get the circuit diagrams out of all our hi fi manuals in the 1970s and make their own versions :laugh_at::laugh_at:

                                      #1206268
                                      General Lighting
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                                        @Iacchus 350713 wrote:

                                        the overall operating system may be getting more stable but when half of the music software you want to use doesnt even load on anything beyond XP then what’s the point?

                                        maybe the plugins will release special windows 7 versions.. cant be arsed to hang around and find out

                                        vista is a fucking nightmare. I only grudgingly have it on some of the office PC’s (as Dell give it away) and will be glad to see the back of it. When you support 20+ PC’s and mobile devices across five sites flaky kit is the last thing you want – I even turned down a brand new vista machine for my own desktop and let a colleague have it instead (it won’t run the finance database for instance without a lot of tweaking)

                                        #1206284
                                        DaftFader
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                                          windows 7 solves alot of the compatability problems that vista has … alltho you still can’t run snide vertions of cubase on it ๐Ÿ˜ฅ have to get xp for that and that’s the only reason i am useing vista as i reinstalled xp over win 7 to use cubase and hadn’t even used my 70 something pound vertion of vista so i put that on as well just so i could say “i’d used it so money not wasted” :laugh_at:

                                          #1206303
                                          Clusterfrog
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                                            @General Lighting 350719 wrote:

                                            would be the wheel turning full circle, the japs used to get the circuit diagrams out of all our hi fi manuals in the 1970s and make their own versions :laugh_at::laugh_at:

                                            interestingly roland themselves have failed to clone the 303.. they rebuilt the circuits in models such as the MC-303 and MC-909 but the sound was too pure and clean. Design flaws in the original gave it that dirty scratchy sound that nobody has ever quite hit on again.

                                            #1206304
                                            Clusterfrog
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                                              @DaftFader 350721 wrote:

                                              windows 7 solves alot of the compatability problems that vista has … alltho you still can’t run snide vertions of cubase on it ๐Ÿ˜ฅ have to get xp for that and that’s the only reason i am useing vista as i reinstalled xp over win 7 to use cubase and hadn’t even used my 70 something pound vertion of vista so i put that on as well just so i could say “i’d used it so money not wasted” :laugh_at:

                                              alas I want to use snide versions of a whole host of software and plugins.. ive had to kiss goodbye to some of my favourites like Intakt, quantum leap RA, getablitch, and many more since being lumped with vista. I’d be tempted to try windows 7 and see if they all start magically working again before I fork out on the mac.

                                              still want logic and metasyth tho ๐Ÿ˜›

                                              #1206270
                                              General Lighting
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                                                @Iacchus 350736 wrote:

                                                interestingly roland themselves have failed to clone the 303.. they rebuilt the circuits in models such as the MC-303 and MC-909 but the sound was too pure and clean. Design flaws in the original gave it that dirty scratchy sound that nobody has ever quite hit on again.

                                                it would probably be stuff like the use of cheaper 2SA-2SC series of transistors in the circuitry with more random noise (due to impurities in the semiconductors) as well as other components presumably no longer made or made to much higher tolerances these days..

                                                #1206306
                                                Clusterfrog
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                                                  @General Lighting 350740 wrote:

                                                  it would probably be stuff like the use of cheaper 2SA-2SC series of transistors in the circuitry with more random noise (due to impurities in the semiconductors) as well as other components presumably no longer made or made to much higher tolerances these days..

                                                  how do you know everything? *squints at you suspiciously*

                                                  you seem to have an encyclopedic knowledge of most subjects discussed on this forum ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                                  #1206272
                                                  General Lighting
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                                                    @Iacchus 350741 wrote:

                                                    how do you know everything? *squints at you suspiciously*

                                                    you seem to have an encyclopedic knowledge of most subjects discussed on this forum ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                                    I don’t know everything but I started getting interested in technology when my age was in single figures, grew up in the days when analogue audio kit was still common and worked in the TV/brodcast industry in the late 90s during the analogue/digital crossover ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                                    in the 1980s there was a time when if you wanted some gadgets you had to build them…

                                                    I wholeheartedly agree with those who still prefer analogue kit (for both recording and creating music) but sadly the recording/delivery methods of today put in so much compression any subtle differences are lost..

                                                    #1206324
                                                    vincentx90
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                                                      society compresses itself into one big ball of fudge…

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