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    Deez
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    What are your thoughts on the army?

    Personally I have a strong dislike for them, they just fight unjust wars that are engineered for profit.
    It also annoys me when people say we should ‘respect’ our troops as they are so ‘epicly brave’ which implies to me that their life is worth more then one of ours or anybody elses which is against my way of thought, to me everybody is equal and everyones life is worth the same. People also say that they deserve respect because they risk their lives, when it is infact a job that they signed up for where they knew the risks and firefighters and policeman also risk their lives but that is to save others rather then to murder. Surely they deserve more respect?
    The only time I really see an army as necessary is in grave times such as the Nazis, where they can impede the freedom of everyone and pose a threat to the world. In this respect i’m a semi pacifist.

    What are PV’s thoughts?

    I could’ve probably explained it better but i’m a bit tipsy now so meh what ya gonna do.

    #1266473
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    Gylfi Gudbjornsson
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    I like guns….a lot, but I don’t like the way the army destroy you then make you a drone. I don’t like the fact that our army has some truly shit equipment, and weapons.

    Gun for hire all the way. I’d fight for who ever pays the best……which won’t be Togo lol

    #1266474
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    Gylfi Gudbjornsson
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    I like guns….a lot, but I don’t like the way the army destroy you then make you a drone. I don’t like the fact that our army has some truly shit equipment, and weapons.

    Gun for hire all the way. I’d fight for who ever pays the best……which won’t be Togo lol

    #1266485
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    Deez
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    Meh.. I live near a military town (Sandhurst.) where they train the officers (Royal Sandhurst academy or some bullshit) and the people who wish to join the army were the real ignorant people who just wanted to “kill taliban paki muslim cunts” which is just wrong..

    Plus the army uses shit like drones which kill a load of innocent children, men and women too. Yet it’s justified.. fucking wrong man.

    Guns are just killing machines too..

    #1266481
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    MC G-Tek
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    I’ve seen what war does to young lads who are sent half way around the world to fight in some place most of em have never heard of man, and it ain’t pretty. They’re taught to be emotionless killing machines, but not taught how to be functioning members of society once they return, this leads to all manner of problems and pretty much gives them no place in normal society. I’ve heard more than one of them say that war is like a drug too, and a lot of them want to go back once they realise what life has to offer them in Civvy Street.

    #1266476
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    barrettone
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    I am neither for them nor against them. I think giving them deference is a bit silly because they are doing a job they signed up for so in this way they’re not much different to a police officer. However at the same time it’s a legitimate career that one can pursue and it’s not like Sgt. Wilkins chooses whom his country goes to war with.

    #1266486
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    Deez
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    @barrettone 522751 wrote:

    I am neither for them nor against them. I think giving them deference is a bit silly because they are doing a job they signed up for so in this way they’re not much different to a police officer. However at the same time it’s a legitimate career that one can pursue and it’s not like Sgt. Wilkins chooses whom his country goes to war with.

    Fair point mate, I guess i’m sort of the same, just annoys me when people think they are some higher entity that deserves our unconditional love and respect.

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    barrettone
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    @DeezNuts 522753 wrote:

    Fair point mate, I guess i’m sort of the same, just annoys me when people think they are some higher entity that deserves our unconditional love and respect.

    Yes, this annoys me too (and a lot of my family have done stints in the army.) I’m kind of against making people into heroes. I admire a lot of people, but putting people on a pedestal is always a dangerous thing, because we’re all still human. It’s even weirder when the people you’re putting on a pedestal are tasked with killing people. But that’s patriotism and nationalism for you.

    #1266487
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    Deez
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    @barrettone 522759 wrote:

    Yes, this annoys me too (and a lot of my family have done stints in the army.) I’m kind of against making people into heroes. I admire a lot of people, but putting people on a pedestal is always a dangerous thing, because we’re all still human. It’s even weirder when the people you’re putting on a pedestal are tasked with killing people. But that’s patriotism and nationalism for you.

    Indeed man. To be honest I don’t even know why people feel so strongly that our country or whatever country they’re from is the greatest in the world.. their shouldn’t be borders, the Earth is all of ours collectively to be honest. I respect that in some ways there needs to be borders but when people take it to extremes such as that and causing war merely from where you are born (which you have no choice in) it’s just..

    #1266482
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    MC G-Tek
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    @barrettone 522759 wrote:

    Yes, this annoys me too (and a lot of my family have done stints in the army.) I’m kind of against making people into heroes. I admire a lot of people, but putting people on a pedestal is always a dangerous thing, because we’re all still human. It’s even weirder when the people you’re putting on a pedestal are tasked with killing people. But that’s patriotism and nationalism for you.

    Totally agree man. Look at the bullshit the press spouted following the interview with Prince Harry, having a go at him for the way he talked about killing Taliban insurgents. In case they hadn’t noticed, he was at war, people get killed in wars, it doesn’t make em right, but that’s what happens, it’s a war!

    #1266478
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    barrettone
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    The problem with borders is that all it takes is one person to say “this is mine” and build a fence around it for everyone else to feel they need to do the same. If, back in ye olden days, when the first person did that everyone else said “no, fuck off” we may have proceeded differently. Alas, we did not.

    #1266479
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    Mezz
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    You have to separate the Armed Forced from the Government Policies they enact

    The Military has to do what the Government tells them to, and the government is meant to represent us so technically the military does what we tell them to and any ‘unjust wars’ are our fault NOT the militaries.

    In principal I do respect the military, they are all volunteers and are willing to put their lives at risk to protect the rest of us

    In practice, they are misused, but unless you want a military coop to take over the blame for that misuse should be on the politicians NOT military personnel

    #1266480
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    Mezz
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    You have to separate the Armed Forced from the Government Policies they enact

    The Military has to do what the Government tells them to, and the government is meant to represent us so technically the military does what we tell them to and any ‘unjust wars’ are our fault NOT the militaries.

    In principal I do respect the military, they are all volunteers and are willing to put their lives at risk to protect the rest of us

    In practice, they are misused, but unless you want a military coop to take over the blame for that misuse should be on the politicians NOT military personnel

    #1266488
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    Deez
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    @mezz 522767 wrote:

    In principal I do respect the military, they are all volunteers and are willing to put their lives at risk to protect the rest of us

    In practice, they are misused, but unless you want a military coop to take over the blame for that misuse should be on the politicians NOT military personnel

    To protect the rest of us from what, lol? From the Taliban in Afghanistan who have done nothing to us? Yeah sure..
    You know poppy/opium production skyrocketed when the military entered Afghanistan..

    They aren’t volunteers – It is a career that they chose, they knew the risks, that doesn’t warrant respect imo..

    #1266471
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    General Lighting
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    If ordinary people really had genuine respect for the Army they would not have created a situation in the first place where they were being deployed out simply to attempt to reduce the cost of fuel and consumer goods.

    There are actually good reasons to keep a military in any nation even if this nations outlook is peaceful (they can assist the civillian authorities in times of natural crisis such as the floods 60 years ago in East Anglia, were it not for HM Forces many more would have died).

    Tthose types what bleat the most who are often sat in front of their telly and xbox half the week and ragging a two litre car around the streets the rest of it (driving it in such a way that they don’t even get decent performance out of it and use a fuckload more fuel)

    They then blame the brown skinned lot for daring to fight back hold on to their natural resources this time round, but they would be too shit scared and cowardly (or not even mentally stable enough) to actually serve in any military in Europe.

    Armies existed before politicians and elections – and chaps like Harry originally became King or Prince by proving themselves on the battlefield. Humans have decided many times to fight over resources rather than share them and ultimately war decides who gets these resources. I’m on a lot of electronics forums where many are way older than me and a lot of them either had to fight in WW II or do National Service of various for the Cold War which lasted until the 1990s. and if these chaps hadn’t done stuff ranging from frontline conflict to surveillance/espionage, the world would actually have got blown into radioactive ashes before I made it to my 30s.

    those of us aged 16-45 now are relatively lucky to have grown up in a peaceful time with less conflict due to abundant resources (especially the 1990s) but modern society has squandered a lot of these gains so we are now facing resource wars once again.

    #1266472
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    spangle
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    I don’t respect ‘the army’ as a whole but can’t have anything but respect for an individual who joins the army being prepared to devote their life to protecting others, however misguided they might be.. Not for anyone who just wants to go shoot guns in a foreign country though, but I think most have good intentions at first. I did want to be in the army as a kid, but quickly went off the idea as I got older and began to understand the politics and psychology involved

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    The Psyentist
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    I’d enroll in Dad’s Army

    #1266470
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    Anonymous

    my thoughts on the army? out they come:

    a necessary evil
    sending children to die so we can maintain our wealth and world status
    we barley have one any more since the cutbacks
    hopefully we wont need one in the future
    can turn boys into men
    can turn boys into men with PTSD and other life long disability’s
    bit of an old boys club and higher levels of rank
    must be scary as hell out there
    saving the lives of other people in country’s where peace keeping forces are all they have
    with our comfortable life styles in the west we sometime forget it can be a dog eat dog world out there
    more money needs to be put into mental health services for returning troops

    beyond that I don’t think I am qualified to really comment.

    #1266475
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    Gylfi Gudbjornsson
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    @The Psyentist 522875 wrote:

    I’d enroll in Dad’s Army

    same!!!!

    #1266484
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    The Psyentist
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    Thank goodness for the army (or at least the concept). Without them I imagine my PS3 games collection would be a lot smaller

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