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  • #1171537
    AvatarTheLostOne
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    You know, I mean to go out of there way to pay taxes, yet bask in the fruits of what taxes have paid for. Ie roads and hospitals which they will all use, while at the same time use all the services. TBF poly that comment wasnt really serious, but obviously taxes need to be paid. I you dont want to pay taxes go live in a field, dont send you kids to school, dont use the NHS, dont drive, then its fine. Just pisses me off when people preach about not paying taxes, in some misted, deluded hippy opinion.

    #1129329
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
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    I would think they already know of the rationalwiki site as I’ve seen it posted on their sites as well. A few of Exodus/Leviticus were mentioning freeman stuff as they thought it could stop them being busted for growing dope (it didn’t).

    @p0ly 454655 wrote:

    I’ve heard of people even someone i met in South of France who’s a musician called ‘Freeman’ (we hired him to come play at our house party) and he was able to avoid taxing his car.

    This has a much more to do with technical and operational limitations of ANPR and other computer networks used by the authorities, as well as budget cuts and there being less specialist traffic police around than before (and those what exist chasing after gary boys) than genuine legal loopholes. Even as recently as the mid 2000s someone who kept away from city areas outside peak hours could still drive a expired or non existent tax and without any license or paperwork at all and even be on the computer known for all this.

    And this was in what you would have thought was the most bait vehicle as well, one what wasn’t even originally from the UK but imported (so it has more info on VOSA record) it wasn’t me but a good friend I knew well in the area and spent a lot of time with.

    #1151240
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    I would think they already know of the rationalwiki site as I’ve seen it posted on their sites as well. A few of Exodus/Leviticus were mentioning freeman stuff as they thought it could stop them being busted for growing dope (it didn’t).

    @p0ly 454655 wrote:

    I’ve heard of people even someone i met in South of France who’s a musician called ‘Freeman’ (we hired him to come play at our house party) and he was able to avoid taxing his car.

    This has a much more to do with technical and operational limitations of ANPR and other computer networks used by the authorities, as well as budget cuts and there being less specialist traffic police around than before (and those what exist chasing after gary boys) than genuine legal loopholes. Even as recently as the mid 2000s someone who kept away from city areas outside peak hours could still drive a expired or non existent tax and without any license or paperwork at all and even be on the computer known for all this.

    And this was in what you would have thought was the most bait vehicle as well, one what wasn’t even originally from the UK but imported (so it has more info on VOSA record) it wasn’t me but a good friend I knew well in the area and spent a lot of time with.

    #1135179
    Avatarp0ly
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    @TheLostOne 454659 wrote:

    You know, I mean to go out of there way to pay taxes, yet bask in the fruits of what taxes have paid for. Ie roads and hospitals which they will all use, while at the same time use all the services. TBF poly that comment wasnt really serious, but obviously taxes need to be paid. I you dont want to pay taxes go live in a field, dont send you kids to school, dont use the NHS, dont drive, then its fine. Just pisses me off when people preach about not paying taxes, in some misted, deluded hippy opinion.

    well blaming hippies because the system allows them to do something is not a fault in the person it’s a fault in the system.

    #1169875
    Avatarp0ly
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    @TheLostOne 454659 wrote:

    You know, I mean to go out of there way to pay taxes, yet bask in the fruits of what taxes have paid for. Ie roads and hospitals which they will all use, while at the same time use all the services. TBF poly that comment wasnt really serious, but obviously taxes need to be paid. I you dont want to pay taxes go live in a field, dont send you kids to school, dont use the NHS, dont drive, then its fine. Just pisses me off when people preach about not paying taxes, in some misted, deluded hippy opinion.

    well blaming hippies because the system allows them to do something is not a fault in the person it’s a fault in the system.

    #1135186
    Avatarp0ly
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    @General Lighting 454660 wrote:

    I would think they already know of the rationalwiki site as I’ve seen it posted on their sites as well. A few of Exodus/Leviticus were mentioning freeman stuff as they thought it could stop them being busted for growing dope (it didn’t).

    This has a much more to do with technical and operational limitations of ANPR and other computer networks used by the authorities, as well as budget cuts and there being less specialist traffic police around than before (and those what exist chasing after gary boys) than genuine legal loopholes. Even as recently as the mid 2000s someone who kept away from city areas outside peak hours could still drive a expired or non existent tax and without any license or paperwork at all and even be on the computer known for all this.

    And this was in what you would have thought was the most bait vehicle as well, one what wasn’t even originally from the UK but imported (so it has more info on VOSA record) it wasn’t me but a good friend I knew well in the area and spent a lot of time with.

    the thing is that article is clearly 100% biased against the whole thing. Do you honestly think the whole thing is complete rubbish and would never work in any circumstances????

    #1169878
    Avatarp0ly
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    @General Lighting 454660 wrote:

    I would think they already know of the rationalwiki site as I’ve seen it posted on their sites as well. A few of Exodus/Leviticus were mentioning freeman stuff as they thought it could stop them being busted for growing dope (it didn’t).

    This has a much more to do with technical and operational limitations of ANPR and other computer networks used by the authorities, as well as budget cuts and there being less specialist traffic police around than before (and those what exist chasing after gary boys) than genuine legal loopholes. Even as recently as the mid 2000s someone who kept away from city areas outside peak hours could still drive a expired or non existent tax and without any license or paperwork at all and even be on the computer known for all this.

    And this was in what you would have thought was the most bait vehicle as well, one what wasn’t even originally from the UK but imported (so it has more info on VOSA record) it wasn’t me but a good friend I knew well in the area and spent a lot of time with.

    the thing is that article is clearly 100% biased against the whole thing. Do you honestly think the whole thing is complete rubbish and would never work in any circumstances????

    #1129330
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @p0ly 454662 wrote:

    the thing is that article is clearly 100% biased against the whole thing. Do you honestly think the whole thing is complete rubbish and would never work in any circumstances????

    some of the tactics would initially work as a delaying tactic whilst the authorities tried to work out if the person involved was of normal mental health and intelligence, whether they understood English, if they were deliberately trying to avoid payment to make a political point, or is genuinely skint and has simply read about this idea on the net and thought its worth a chance.

    Ironically its so-called “political correctness” and “human rights” what makes this happen, as public authorities can’t assume that people always understand the rules nor can they kick in peoples doors for crime or seize property for debts until they have clear evidence against them.

    On some occasions the authorities do make a mistake and have to let someone off something but when you start baiting them or even if you come to notice of them for other reasons. They tend not to forgive and forget and it comes back to haunt you.

    A personal example was that in 1990 I moved to London. I was not a anti-poll tax activist – I went to the Council, got a form and filled in I had moved from Reading and needed to transfer to the London electoral register. I did go on a student loans/public services march (like the ones last year but without any rioting) but was far more interested in pills than politics.

    Coincidentally, this wave of dissent caused strike action at the local Council, and someone there either ignored, filed or simply did away with the registration form I had filled in earlier. Reading, however, removed me from the register. This meant i didn’t get a poll tax bill. I dropped out of Uni in 1992, (by such time both Thatcho and the poll tax were long gone), moved back to Reading, moved back to the family home, went back on the electoral register there, and life carried on as normal.

    In 1994 I got arrested for drugs in London. I gave them correct details, and whilst I was in the cells they checked me against the London electoral register. Of course there was nothing there – not even proof that I was a British citizen! On early Sunday morning both Reading Council and the Home Office Immigration (no border agency back then!) were closed, as was the Register office of the London region I was born in (barely 5 miles away from where I then lived) so metpol had absolutely no proof I even had a right to be in Blighty.

    The end result was my mum getting a knock on the door from Thames Valley cops at 6am and being told “your son’s been arrested for drugs in London and the Metropolitan Police have no record of his right to stay in the UK. Could you please show us either his passport or birth certificate so we can tell London he can be bailed” (incdentally the cop mentioning my offence was against privacy as I was well over 17 then but no human rights act either).

    TBH the cops weren’t even being malicious (even the one mentioning my offence as my mum probably thought I had been in a crash or something) – just following the rules – just because I speak perfect English with what might be viewed as a London/Essex accent wouldn’t be proof I had UK residence, could have even been smuggled in as a baby, you used to be able to buy them in Malaysia… thinking about it cops could equally have sent me to Heathrow Immigration detention for at least the weekend. Even I was white they could have said I was a homeless and the address was not a valid one and banged me up for the weekend…

    hadn’t even planned to evade the poll tax and just thought the Council were being slow (they gave me a library card so I thought they must know I was a resident). they couldn’t backdate the payment as it was a Government error anyway, and had I not got caught in London this wouldn’t have happened but if this can happen to someone who didn’t set out to evade a tax (but broke another law) far worse can (and does) happen to those who quite deliberately set out to blag the system and come into conflict with it – even if its not immediate…

    #1151308
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @p0ly 454662 wrote:

    the thing is that article is clearly 100% biased against the whole thing. Do you honestly think the whole thing is complete rubbish and would never work in any circumstances????

    some of the tactics would initially work as a delaying tactic whilst the authorities tried to work out if the person involved was of normal mental health and intelligence, whether they understood English, if they were deliberately trying to avoid payment to make a political point, or is genuinely skint and has simply read about this idea on the net and thought its worth a chance.

    Ironically its so-called “political correctness” and “human rights” what makes this happen, as public authorities can’t assume that people always understand the rules nor can they kick in peoples doors for crime or seize property for debts until they have clear evidence against them.

    On some occasions the authorities do make a mistake and have to let someone off something but when you start baiting them or even if you come to notice of them for other reasons. They tend not to forgive and forget and it comes back to haunt you.

    A personal example was that in 1990 I moved to London. I was not a anti-poll tax activist – I went to the Council, got a form and filled in I had moved from Reading and needed to transfer to the London electoral register. I did go on a student loans/public services march (like the ones last year but without any rioting) but was far more interested in pills than politics.

    Coincidentally, this wave of dissent caused strike action at the local Council, and someone there either ignored, filed or simply did away with the registration form I had filled in earlier. Reading, however, removed me from the register. This meant i didn’t get a poll tax bill. I dropped out of Uni in 1992, (by such time both Thatcho and the poll tax were long gone), moved back to Reading, moved back to the family home, went back on the electoral register there, and life carried on as normal.

    In 1994 I got arrested for drugs in London. I gave them correct details, and whilst I was in the cells they checked me against the London electoral register. Of course there was nothing there – not even proof that I was a British citizen! On early Sunday morning both Reading Council and the Home Office Immigration (no border agency back then!) were closed, as was the Register office of the London region I was born in (barely 5 miles away from where I then lived) so metpol had absolutely no proof I even had a right to be in Blighty.

    The end result was my mum getting a knock on the door from Thames Valley cops at 6am and being told “your son’s been arrested for drugs in London and the Metropolitan Police have no record of his right to stay in the UK. Could you please show us either his passport or birth certificate so we can tell London he can be bailed” (incdentally the cop mentioning my offence was against privacy as I was well over 17 then but no human rights act either).

    TBH the cops weren’t even being malicious (even the one mentioning my offence as my mum probably thought I had been in a crash or something) – just following the rules – just because I speak perfect English with what might be viewed as a London/Essex accent wouldn’t be proof I had UK residence, could have even been smuggled in as a baby, you used to be able to buy them in Malaysia… thinking about it cops could equally have sent me to Heathrow Immigration detention for at least the weekend. Even I was white they could have said I was a homeless and the address was not a valid one and banged me up for the weekend…

    hadn’t even planned to evade the poll tax and just thought the Council were being slow (they gave me a library card so I thought they must know I was a resident). they couldn’t backdate the payment as it was a Government error anyway, and had I not got caught in London this wouldn’t have happened but if this can happen to someone who didn’t set out to evade a tax (but broke another law) far worse can (and does) happen to those who quite deliberately set out to blag the system and come into conflict with it – even if its not immediate…

    #1149916
    Avatarcozmic
    Participant

    man i dont know wether to rant or rave about my night, lost lots of money and weed but got sum punani in the process. wooooooo

    #1184628
    Avatarcozmic
    Participant

    man i dont know wether to rant or rave about my night, lost lots of money and weed but got sum punani in the process. wooooooo

    #1135193
    Avatarp0ly
    Participant

    @cozmic 455410 wrote:

    man i dont know wether to rant or rave about my night, lost lots of money and weed but got sum punani in the process. wooooooo

    elaborate on your punani story if you can breadrin!

    #1169880
    Avatarp0ly
    Participant

    @cozmic 455410 wrote:

    man i dont know wether to rant or rave about my night, lost lots of money and weed but got sum punani in the process. wooooooo

    elaborate on your punani story if you can breadrin!

    #1149980
    Avatarkiwifruit
    Participant

    Elaborate on the losing weed story if you can breadin!

    (We were at a squat party one night (6 of us) and my mate who was holding onto the hash lump (sizeable) had it in his cigarette packet. He smoked the last cigarette and threw the packet into the fire.
    It wasn’t until later when we wanted a smoke that he realised what he had done.
    Sad times.

    #1184761
    Avatarkiwifruit
    Participant

    Elaborate on the losing weed story if you can breadin!

    (We were at a squat party one night (6 of us) and my mate who was holding onto the hash lump (sizeable) had it in his cigarette packet. He smoked the last cigarette and threw the packet into the fire.
    It wasn’t until later when we wanted a smoke that he realised what he had done.
    Sad times.

    #1135200
    Avatarp0ly
    Participant

    @kiwifruit 455440 wrote:

    breadin!

    what do you put your bread in?

    #1169882
    Avatarp0ly
    Participant

    @kiwifruit 455440 wrote:

    breadin!

    what do you put your bread in?

    #1129331
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    now listen up bredrin, you put de bread in de bread bin, and de hash in the hash tin, then you know it cyan get dash pon de fire ๐Ÿ˜‰

    #1151364
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    now listen up bredrin, you put de bread in de bread bin, and de hash in the hash tin, then you know it cyan get dash pon de fire ๐Ÿ˜‰

    #1130858
    AvatarBogey
    Participant

    seen , sistren and breadbins… my missus once threw our last two pills into the fire…

    #1166234
    AvatarBogey
    Participant

    seen , sistren and breadbins… my missus once threw our last two pills into the fire…

    #1131749
    AvatarDaftFader
    Participant

    @General Lighting 455453 wrote:

    now listen up bredrin, you put de bread in de bread bin, and de hash in the hash tin, then you know it cyan get dash pon de fire ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Have you been doing mephedrone again GL? :laugh_at:

    #1167928
    AvatarDaftFader
    Participant

    @General Lighting 455453 wrote:

    now listen up bredrin, you put de bread in de bread bin, and de hash in the hash tin, then you know it cyan get dash pon de fire ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Have you been doing mephedrone again GL? :laugh_at:

    #1129332
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @DaftFader 455488 wrote:

    Have you been doing mephedrone again GL? :laugh_at:

    na man, you tink I some kin’ of djam idiot to still do that kin’ of foolishness? just de pure sensi for me, fresh from de plant in de portaloo tent..

    (actually I haven’t touched anything today (or for some time) and not smoked for ages but its true about the portaloo cabin, can’t say too much more detail but a while back someone did use one of these (minus loo!) for the purposes of growing in…

    #1151431
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @DaftFader 455488 wrote:

    Have you been doing mephedrone again GL? :laugh_at:

    na man, you tink I some kin’ of djam idiot to still do that kin’ of foolishness? just de pure sensi for me, fresh from de plant in de portaloo tent..

    (actually I haven’t touched anything today (or for some time) and not smoked for ages but its true about the portaloo cabin, can’t say too much more detail but a while back someone did use one of these (minus loo!) for the purposes of growing in…

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