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    road trip would be AWESOME! 😀 i did one from colorado to new mexico and it was the best experience of my life (even though i thought i was going to die a few times).

    hmm.. but i bet the beaches were nice, if you made it that far 🙂 i like the cities alot but the rocky mountains were definitely the most beautiful places, ideal for a shutterbug like myself. i went to a hot springs in the mountains and you lay in these outdoors pools that are really warm and look up and all around you are mountain peaks covered in snow and it’s like.. wow. paradise.

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    road trip would be AWESOME! 😀 i did one from colorado to new mexico and it was the best experience of my life (even though i thought i was going to die a few times).

    hmm.. but i bet the beaches were nice, if you made it that far 🙂 i like the cities alot but the rocky mountains were definitely the most beautiful places, ideal for a shutterbug like myself. i went to a hot springs in the mountains and you lay in these outdoors pools that are really warm and look up and all around you are mountain peaks covered in snow and it’s like.. wow. paradise.

    #1128556
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    and i’m mad >:( that the people who put the most into relationships get the least out of them and that things have to change and that you can’t freeze time or go back to that moment. if heaven is a real place then it will be somewhere that you can rewind and just relive each of the best moments of your life.

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    and i’m mad >:( that the people who put the most into relationships get the least out of them and that things have to change and that you can’t freeze time or go back to that moment. if heaven is a real place then it will be somewhere that you can rewind and just relive each of the best moments of your life.

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    General Lighting
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    @harr!et 414607 wrote:

    i don’t travel free 🙁 costs me a fiver to get to college each day.

    AFAIK you’re still eligible until you’re 18/19…

    16-18 | Transport for London

    one of the few good things about Londonistan its one of the few cities in the UK where they’ve made an effort to provide reasonable public transport and to encourage other ways of getting around than cars…

    they pay less taxes in the USA but public services are non existent and people can become really isolated and lonely there if they don’t fit in, even more so than in England. And in some cases conformity becomes a matter of survival and communities are even more bitterly divided and it seems faith groups have loads more power and strong gender roles enforced (not just in stereotypical redneck places either….)

    The USA will crash even harder when the oil runs out than the UK because of the lack of community and public services and places being big and isolated…

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    General Lighting
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    @harr!et 414607 wrote:

    i don’t travel free 🙁 costs me a fiver to get to college each day.

    AFAIK you’re still eligible until you’re 18/19…

    16-18 | Transport for London

    one of the few good things about Londonistan its one of the few cities in the UK where they’ve made an effort to provide reasonable public transport and to encourage other ways of getting around than cars…

    they pay less taxes in the USA but public services are non existent and people can become really isolated and lonely there if they don’t fit in, even more so than in England. And in some cases conformity becomes a matter of survival and communities are even more bitterly divided and it seems faith groups have loads more power and strong gender roles enforced (not just in stereotypical redneck places either….)

    The USA will crash even harder when the oil runs out than the UK because of the lack of community and public services and places being big and isolated…

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    manaman
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    sorry general but bollocks to what you just said we’v already paid 48% of our train ticket when we buy it

    #1184431
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    manaman
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    sorry general but bollocks to what you just said we’v already paid 48% of our train ticket when we buy it

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    General Lighting
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    @manaman 414712 wrote:

    sorry general but bollocks to what you just said we’v already paid 48% of our train ticket when we buy it

    WTF is bollocks about letting Harriet know she could get free travel, or that London’s public transport is still better than most other UK cities (not enough to tempt me back to the filthy, crime ridden capital though and I was born in London)

    People whinge like fuck in London yet even in relatively affluent places like Reading they don’t have a fraction of the public transport and are blighted by even more traffic jams.

    Yes it is expensive and crowded and badly funded but at least it is there..

    Even if todays railways are still subsidised by the taxpayer (they should never have been privatised in the first place) there is fuck all we can do about it in the short term – the generation above us democratically voted for privatisation as they didn’t want to openly pay tax towards others services, our generation are of voting age and yet many voted for free market parties and private transport, and no government has the balls to stand up to private companies and completely renationalise the railways – I’m not sure if its even legally feasible without spending even more taxpayers money as EU governments can’t just confiscate private companies assets without paying a fair market value (the companies can sue in Courts about this, in fact Railtrack’s shareholders did try this at one point)

    in other countries they voted for social democratic governments who invested more public money in public transport (everything from roads to rail and metro and bike paths) as a common good and didn’t whine about taxes, and surprise surprise, it is much better than most of our cities, London is merely making a half-hearted attempt to follow Europe but is better than nothing.

    If you do not want to pay what you feel is excessive train fares in London vote with your feet and get a bicycle, at least C-charge means its safer…

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    General Lighting
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    @manaman 414712 wrote:

    sorry general but bollocks to what you just said we’v already paid 48% of our train ticket when we buy it

    WTF is bollocks about letting Harriet know she could get free travel, or that London’s public transport is still better than most other UK cities (not enough to tempt me back to the filthy, crime ridden capital though and I was born in London)

    People whinge like fuck in London yet even in relatively affluent places like Reading they don’t have a fraction of the public transport and are blighted by even more traffic jams.

    Yes it is expensive and crowded and badly funded but at least it is there..

    Even if todays railways are still subsidised by the taxpayer (they should never have been privatised in the first place) there is fuck all we can do about it in the short term – the generation above us democratically voted for privatisation as they didn’t want to openly pay tax towards others services, our generation are of voting age and yet many voted for free market parties and private transport, and no government has the balls to stand up to private companies and completely renationalise the railways – I’m not sure if its even legally feasible without spending even more taxpayers money as EU governments can’t just confiscate private companies assets without paying a fair market value (the companies can sue in Courts about this, in fact Railtrack’s shareholders did try this at one point)

    in other countries they voted for social democratic governments who invested more public money in public transport (everything from roads to rail and metro and bike paths) as a common good and didn’t whine about taxes, and surprise surprise, it is much better than most of our cities, London is merely making a half-hearted attempt to follow Europe but is better than nothing.

    If you do not want to pay what you feel is excessive train fares in London vote with your feet and get a bicycle, at least C-charge means its safer…

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    p0ly
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    What’s with the 48% as well?

    #1169495
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    p0ly
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    What’s with the 48% as well?

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    General Lighting
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    @p0ly 414720 wrote:

    What’s with the 48% as well?

    Its the amount of tax on a train ticket which goes to Network Rail. However the private sector and free market in the UK totally failed in the basics of creating a safe railway after being given 10 whole years to do this and forced the govt to renationalise the infrastructure (during a time when even so-called “Labour” parties didn’t really want to do this!)..

    Ironically fares are going up again because the Tories are now back in power and want to reduce the tax subsidy, yet let the private companies who run the train companies make their profits….

    People used to slag off British Rail but although the trains were equally sketchy in their timing, the fares were about half the price. Its about £33 to get to London off peak return from here when it was barely £10 for most of the 1990s..

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    General Lighting
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    @p0ly 414720 wrote:

    What’s with the 48% as well?

    Its the amount of tax on a train ticket which goes to Network Rail. However the private sector and free market in the UK totally failed in the basics of creating a safe railway after being given 10 whole years to do this and forced the govt to renationalise the infrastructure (during a time when even so-called “Labour” parties didn’t really want to do this!)..

    Ironically fares are going up again because the Tories are now back in power and want to reduce the tax subsidy, yet let the private companies who run the train companies make their profits….

    People used to slag off British Rail but although the trains were equally sketchy in their timing, the fares were about half the price. Its about £33 to get to London off peak return from here when it was barely £10 for most of the 1990s..

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    manaman
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    i was talking about the uk not just london, and stop calling it londonistan nor is it filthy or all that dangerous. The high speed rail from london to manchester went bust before it was completed the gov had to pay 8 billion of deths pay virgin another billion for not having the track ready on time then handed it back to the private sector, nationalised the west coast mainline payed the banks what was owed them and handed it back again, charge you half the cost of every ticket sold on condition you never use them other wise they charge three fold

    #1149828
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    manaman
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    i was talking about the uk not just london, and stop calling it londonistan nor is it filthy or all that dangerous. The high speed rail from london to manchester went bust before it was completed the gov had to pay 8 billion of deths pay virgin another billion for not having the track ready on time then handed it back to the private sector, nationalised the west coast mainline payed the banks what was owed them and handed it back again, charge you half the cost of every ticket sold on condition you never use them other wise they charge three fold

    #1184435
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    manaman
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    i was talking about the uk not just london, and stop calling it londonistan nor is it filthy or all that dangerous. The high speed rail from london to manchester went bust before it was completed the gov had to pay 8 billion of deths pay virgin another billion for not having the track ready on time then handed it back to the private sector, nationalised the west coast mainline payed the banks what was owed them and handed it back again, charge you half the cost of every ticket sold on condition you never use them other wise they charge three fold

    #1184439
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    manaman
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    i was talking about the uk not just london, and stop calling it londonistan nor is it filthy or all that dangerous. The high speed rail from london to manchester went bust before it was completed the gov had to pay 8 billion of deths pay virgin another billion for not having the track ready on time then handed it back to the private sector, nationalised the west coast mainline payed the banks what was owed them and handed it back again, charge you half the cost of every ticket sold on condition you never use them other wise they charge three fold

    #1132707
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    p0ly
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    Why should he stop saying Londonistan?

    #1169497
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    p0ly
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    Why should he stop saying Londonistan?

    #1128557
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    Hi General Lighting ,
    I agree with what you said about public transport , i Live in Lincolnshire and the public transport ins’t that great . We have a high percentage of Elderely people and its set to get higher , most live in villages in the middle of no where . These people have no choice but to use a car to get about as buses are not so many …taxis would cost you a fortune and many of the branch line rail lines went long ago .
    So now we have more cars on a road system that is mostly country lanes , although some improvements are being made its still not enough to cope with the weight of traffic . So now we have a high amount of elderley drivers forced to drive their cars when maybe they shouldnt be driving at all , plus the huge amount of foreign workers that are not the best drivers in the world , on old country roads with a huge amount of traffic .
    Im not being having a go at old people or the foreign workers here , but i know quite a few fire brigade firefighters and they say most accidents tend to be old people and foreign workers . Its funny as they see these things doing their job but the official figures dont reflect this ? . My point is if we had a public transport system that was any good i reckon there would be less people on the road …..less on the road less road deaths .

    I remember British Rail and it wasnt that bad , now its privatised there have been more accidents and deaths due to private companies cutting costs and services and maintenance and safety . And of course just like gas , water and electricity the prices have shot up . They make a huge profit , i think some of these CEO’s should be done for corporate man slaughter , what with rail deaths , old people dieing in winter cos they cant afford to heat their homes , just so they can turn a profit …….wonder if they sleep well at night ?

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    #1149764
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    Hi General Lighting ,
    I agree with what you said about public transport , i Live in Lincolnshire and the public transport ins’t that great . We have a high percentage of Elderely people and its set to get higher , most live in villages in the middle of no where . These people have no choice but to use a car to get about as buses are not so many …taxis would cost you a fortune and many of the branch line rail lines went long ago .
    So now we have more cars on a road system that is mostly country lanes , although some improvements are being made its still not enough to cope with the weight of traffic . So now we have a high amount of elderley drivers forced to drive their cars when maybe they shouldnt be driving at all , plus the huge amount of foreign workers that are not the best drivers in the world , on old country roads with a huge amount of traffic .
    Im not being having a go at old people or the foreign workers here , but i know quite a few fire brigade firefighters and they say most accidents tend to be old people and foreign workers . Its funny as they see these things doing their job but the official figures dont reflect this ? . My point is if we had a public transport system that was any good i reckon there would be less people on the road …..less on the road less road deaths .

    I remember British Rail and it wasnt that bad , now its privatised there have been more accidents and deaths due to private companies cutting costs and services and maintenance and safety . And of course just like gas , water and electricity the prices have shot up . They make a huge profit , i think some of these CEO’s should be done for corporate man slaughter , what with rail deaths , old people dieing in winter cos they cant afford to heat their homes , just so they can turn a profit …….wonder if they sleep well at night ?

    regards
    Mungo

    #1129224
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    General Lighting
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    @manaman 414724 wrote:

    i was talking about the uk not just london, and stop calling it londonistan nor is it filthy or all that dangerous.

    I’m British Asian and proud of it – I don’t use the term Londonistan in a racist way – I use the term still because in reality there are still loads of gangs of warlords trying to run their turf, including the Met Police, and they often clash.

    Yes the capital is not as dangerous as somewhere like Lesotho or even Moscow or Belgrade today, its probably even safer than Paris, and even Amsterdam is blighted by youth violence but compared to other parts of the UK there is more violent crime. And provided someone older doesn’t try to live like a old gangster or tries to be the hard man all the time less of it is targeted at those at the end of youth/start of middle age, but my younger friends from there have told me some fucking horrendous stories.

    Ipswich is also really multicultural, and actually has far less trouble and lots of people from many different backgrounds getting on with one another and doing positive stuff. Maybe theres got less “fun” nightlife stuff (mostly because foolish people from the capital came up here to fire guns!) and maybe more coppers sticking their nose in but its a price worth paying for stability.

    And London still scores lower than many other EU cities on cleanliness and air quality..

    London, the dirty man of Europe | Simon Birkett | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

    As for the issue with being overtaxed to get on the train, this is because for 20 years the majority of people voted for pro-market and pro-privatisation – and they are now reaping what they sow. People think Richard Branson is “better/cooler” than an elected government / public sector. in other EU nations even if they’ve voted for centre-right parties there isn’t this rush to privatise everything, seems like an English disease in many respects.

    Democratic governments can’t “confiscate” private property without paying a fair market value for it unless they can prove in Court there has been criminal activity – in this country missing a project deadline is not a criminal offence, or half the IT industry would be in jug… And at every point when a government nationalises something today they are subject to legal challenge (like the Railtrack shareholders – they lost but a lot of our money was spent on lawyers)

    Maybe our parents believed thatcho’s lies but a lot of us are grown ups, over voting age. Our generation now has the balance of power.

    Do you actively support social democratic parties which strike a decent balance between enterprise and public good, and do you seek out environmentally friendly methods of transport when you can? if not, complaining and protesting isn’t worth shit in the end, especially when as flawed as they are both private business and public organisations in London andf elsewhere are trying to make some improvement.

    Like it or not, “autonomous anarchist communities” aren’t going to be capable of getting the capital to build train networks or deal with the rules and punctuality required, they struggle to keep a bicycle workshop running….

    #1150974
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    General Lighting
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    @manaman 414724 wrote:

    i was talking about the uk not just london, and stop calling it londonistan nor is it filthy or all that dangerous.

    I’m British Asian and proud of it – I don’t use the term Londonistan in a racist way – I use the term still because in reality there are still loads of gangs of warlords trying to run their turf, including the Met Police, and they often clash.

    Yes the capital is not as dangerous as somewhere like Lesotho or even Moscow or Belgrade today, its probably even safer than Paris, and even Amsterdam is blighted by youth violence but compared to other parts of the UK there is more violent crime. And provided someone older doesn’t try to live like a old gangster or tries to be the hard man all the time less of it is targeted at those at the end of youth/start of middle age, but my younger friends from there have told me some fucking horrendous stories.

    Ipswich is also really multicultural, and actually has far less trouble and lots of people from many different backgrounds getting on with one another and doing positive stuff. Maybe theres got less “fun” nightlife stuff (mostly because foolish people from the capital came up here to fire guns!) and maybe more coppers sticking their nose in but its a price worth paying for stability.

    And London still scores lower than many other EU cities on cleanliness and air quality..

    London, the dirty man of Europe | Simon Birkett | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

    As for the issue with being overtaxed to get on the train, this is because for 20 years the majority of people voted for pro-market and pro-privatisation – and they are now reaping what they sow. People think Richard Branson is “better/cooler” than an elected government / public sector. in other EU nations even if they’ve voted for centre-right parties there isn’t this rush to privatise everything, seems like an English disease in many respects.

    Democratic governments can’t “confiscate” private property without paying a fair market value for it unless they can prove in Court there has been criminal activity – in this country missing a project deadline is not a criminal offence, or half the IT industry would be in jug… And at every point when a government nationalises something today they are subject to legal challenge (like the Railtrack shareholders – they lost but a lot of our money was spent on lawyers)

    Maybe our parents believed thatcho’s lies but a lot of us are grown ups, over voting age. Our generation now has the balance of power.

    Do you actively support social democratic parties which strike a decent balance between enterprise and public good, and do you seek out environmentally friendly methods of transport when you can? if not, complaining and protesting isn’t worth shit in the end, especially when as flawed as they are both private business and public organisations in London andf elsewhere are trying to make some improvement.

    Like it or not, “autonomous anarchist communities” aren’t going to be capable of getting the capital to build train networks or deal with the rules and punctuality required, they struggle to keep a bicycle workshop running….

    #1143210
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    Compared to anywhere else in the UK London has the best public transport. But I hate public transport and I am tight. So I just cycle everywhere.

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