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  • #1051351
    dubstep_joe
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    BBC News – London riots: Dozens injured after Tottenham violence

    Thoughts anyone? My dad just told me about it, apparently it started because of a fatal shooting of Mark Duggan by the police on Thursday..

    #1242870
    manaman
    Participant

    Their saying that the police wont let the Duggen’s family legal team talk to the witness to the shooting and that the police are getting the press to print a false picture of mark duggen, that he wasnt a gangster that he didnt even have a criminal record. The initial protesters have nothing to do with what came later

    #1242875
    kiwifruit
    Participant

    I have just been reading the online newspapers and I am really blown away at what is happening. I hope all PVers wherever you live you are safe.

    This is just ridiculous! I cant believe people are burning down shops, burning cars, looting shops and robbing people. I feel sick to my stomach that society has turned into this. Nothing short of feral.

    What is happening now has nothing to do with the shooting, and lets face it we dont really know what happened there anyway. People have used this as an excuse to cause damage and try to get free goods.

    If anyone on PV is involved with this at any of the locations that have been on the news, please think before you act and NOT get involved. If you know of anyone involved get them to stop!
    Innocent people, their jobs, their homes (the flats above shops that have been burnt), their livelihoods, communities that have done nothing wrong are being torn apart.
    I feel so sad.

    Violence is never the answer.

    Sad kiwi ๐Ÿ™

    #1242866
    DaftFader
    Participant
    #1242858
    Anonymous

    @KiwiFruit = Nothing short of feral?? how much shorter could it possibly get???

    #1242859
    Anonymous

    on the bright side.. if they torch heathrow airport, I won’t have to come home on friday ๐Ÿ˜€ we can only hope.
    seriously though, it seems like communities are pulling together a bit more now, so I suppose something good has come of this. I was reading that there are people out on the streets clearing things up.

    #1242861
    sinner69
    Participant

    This is what you get when you fuck your youth over and over again. Dont blame the rioters blame the government that have made sure that being young in uk means probably you cant get the life you deserve.

    A free education, proper social security and health services is a right that was promised that is now taken away to pay the rich and greedy’s loan carrusel.

    Some people will blame the immigrants doing this, I say no, their parents or grand parents might be immigrants.They are not.
    As long as these tags are being misused, we have a big part of our community that is not being looked upon as equals. That means trouble.

    Other says our culture is under attack, no it aint, it is developing and if it is that good as you say it is, it will survive, it have been doing that for ages. And you are not a living museum, are you?

    All I can say is this is nothing new, we who remember the early 80’s will think it just repeating it self when the greedy rules…

    So youth of today stand up and fight for your rights, do not ruin your local commuities but hit the power. And hit it where it hurts, not the single copper or fireman….

    You might need to change your weapons when this is over. Words and political discussion is the way forward. Remember we are all going to be here when this is over…..

    (Ups sorry got a bit winded up here…and ehh I might get in trouble for this but thats the way it is, I stand tall and I know where I stand. I stand with and behind the youth!)

    #1242876
    kiwifruit
    Participant

    Having just listened to a clip of a couple of girls saying it was well good and they have been drinking all night cos its free innit (They stole the wine), AND that the burnings were justified as they (shops) are rich and they deserve it….Well I guess all the people who no longer have jobs due to the shops burning down won’t feel like that. It is certainly not going to help any problems people have get sorted. Too many of these people, and there is NO one race or culture, it looks to be a free for all by many different backgrounds, people who think the world owes them something. THAT is the problem.

    You know what, I support youth, but I will never ever support violence, arson and looting. Never.
    Mob mentality. No responsibility or consequence.
    This isn’t a protest. For most I would say its the chance to cause mayhem and get some free items.
    People have choices and at the moment these people are hurting the very communities that may take a very long time to recover or not recover at all.
    I have lived in Hackney (1 1/2 years), Brixton (2 years), Ealing (2 years), Shep bush (2 years) etc… These are not rich areas! A small business there is maybe not going to recover! These were my communities when I lived in London and I knew the little corner shop guys etc

    Time for youth to be accountable and actually stop blaming everyone else… cos everyone else isn’t burning communities down to the ground.

    Isinner you make good points about HOW they should approach change. Youth need a voice, that is not contested, but until they can see the wider world and not just “me me me me me me me”, then they need to make a stand so their future is indeed better.
    That is not going to happen by lighting fires.

    Also there are a lot of unemployed youth who might live in difficult circumstances who don’t feel the need to set fire to stores and loot them or attack police and fire fighters. This is THEIR time to step up and lead change. Peacefully.

    #1242877
    kiwifruit
    Participant

    @Kingsmen 446933 wrote:

    @KiwiFruit = Nothing short of feral?? how much shorter could it possibly get???

    Correct.
    All feral.
    Someone will end up dying soon, if they haven’t already (just home so have not read the latest). How long until someone is caught in a burning building?

    #1242878
    mungo1972
    Participant

    Hi Kiwifruit ,
    Your right its madness and someone if not already is gonna get seriously hurt or killed . This kind of behaviour has to be stopped !!!! , i thought i’d never see things like this in this country but its happening right now !!!!

    regards
    Mungo

    #1242869
    dubstep_joe
    Participant

    @!sinner69! 446937 wrote:

    This is what you get when you fuck your youth over and over again. Dont blame the rioters blame the government that have made sure that being young in uk means probably you cant get the life you deserve.

    A free education, proper social security and health services is a right that was promised that is now taken away to pay the rich and greedy’s loan carrusel.

    Some people will blame the immigrants doing this, I say no, their parents or grand parents might be immigrants.They are not.
    As long as these tags are being misused, we have a big part of our community that is not being looked upon as equals. That means trouble.

    Other says our culture is under attack, no it aint, it is developing and if it is that good as you say it is, it will survive, it have been doing that for ages. And you are not a living museum, are you?

    All I can say is this is nothing new, we who remember the early 80’s will think it just repeating it self when the greedy rules…

    So youth of today stand up and fight for your rights, do not ruin your local commuities but hit the power. And hit it where it hurts, not the single copper or fireman….

    You might need to change your weapons when this is over. Words and political discussion is the way forward. Remember we are all going to be here when this is over…..

    (Ups sorry got a bit winded up here…and ehh I might get in trouble for this but thats the way it is, I stand tall and I know where I stand. I stand with and behind the youth!)

    I highly doubt people my age are out there fighting for rights, there out there to cause mayhem and destruction. Cause it’s probably quite fun but with terrible consequences later on (I mean for communities, not as in going to jail)…

    Perhaps it’s just a small minority with what is being reported, but I doubt it…

    I’m not saying education and health services are not in trouble, but surely all this causes more damage than it’s worth?

    I guess it could be expected but…

    My 3 cents…

    #1242860
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    @kiwifruit 446941 wrote:

    Correct.
    All feral.
    Someone will end up dying soon, if they haven’t already (just home so have not read the latest).

    a young man has already been shot dead by rival gang members when their paths crossed in Croydon (in spite of claims that the “protestors” were going to put aside inter-gang rivalries).

    its certainly not immigrants doing the looting either. its a mixed group doing it and many ethnic minority businesses are being targeted by the looters, particularly those owned by Asians and Middle Easterners.

    This isn’t even a real protest with a defined cause but opportunists acting out of malice, envy and stupidity. its not even linked to gangs as the kids involved are looting relatively low value items and leaving things like full safes behind in the buildings they are trashing and burning. They are also targeting really odd places like florists and pie and mash shops which really don’t exactly represent big business or an oppressive system/

    Whilst the situation certainly has been exacerbated by social problems which have built up over the years but these rioters are themselves greedy individualists. they have only divided London, put peoples backs up, even younger people with jobs and those with kids/families and all they have succeeded in doing is boosting the power of the conventional government and authorities, brought 16 000 cops to the streets of London (this is about 50% of the entire English police force), and brought the chance of rubber bullets being fired into crowds which has never before happened on the English mainland.

    instead of normal people realising the youth need a “voice” they instead feel they are being bullied and intimidated by them and are wanting the authorities to do something. At least they’ve had the sense not to use the military as in our country soldiers are not that well trained in dealing with civillian disturbances without resulting to deadly force and its not been deemed acceptable to do this since the last world war.

    The 1980s riots didn’t exactly unseat Thatcho, she won the 1983 election by a majority and then went even harder against hippies and miners. People tend not to tolerate having their communities trashed or invaded by mobs. even if there was an election and by some miracle Caroline Lucas became our second female PM it would still be difficult to get public money to spend on Youth services when there is a economic depression and they are going to have to spend loads on rebuilding infrastructure now!

    #1242871
    manaman
    Participant

    Hackney didnt get all that bad, it was asking for trouble doing a stop and search on clarence rd under the present climate, there is a stand-off with the police on clarence rd every now and again. Spoke to some black guys about Mark Duggen they say he was a tyrant. Alot of young men around here who would riot didnt go anywhere near what happened on mare st yesterday.

    #1242863
    Tank Girl
    Participant

    well its hitting the suburbs now too – my local town on shut down

    yes it has deprived parts and kids are disillussioned and angry but as Kiwi and others are saying

    how the fuck does kicking in offie’s, stealing fags and beer, and setting fire to peoples homes and local (and lots of independant) businesses goona help?

    how much is this gonna cost in
    policing?
    ambulance staff?
    Fire brigade?
    insurance?
    clearing up?
    NHS and tending to those being injured or killed?

    etc etc

    coz if they did give a fuck they’d organise a mass (and I mean mass) peaceful demo and get the communities to work together to see what they can do as a community and fight them in the right way

    #1242872
    manaman
    Participant

    @Kingsmen 446933 wrote:

    @KiwiFruit = Nothing short of feral?? how much shorter could it possibly get???

    It couldnt, its nothing short ofI was walking down morning lane(tesco’s) away from mare st, this black girl about 13-14, walking towards it, is on her phone saying where is the camera, just tell me where the camera is.She just wanted to be on the news

    #1242868
    TheLostOne
    Participant

    @!sinner69! 446937 wrote:

    This is what you get when you fuck your youth over and over again. Dont blame the rioters blame the government that have made sure that being young in uk means probably you cant get the life you deserve.

    A free education, proper social security and health services is a right that was promised that is now taken away to pay the rich and greedy’s loan carrusel.

    Some people will blame the immigrants doing this, I say no, their parents or grand parents might be immigrants.They are not.
    As long as these tags are being misused, we have a big part of our community that is not being looked upon as equals. That means trouble.

    Other says our culture is under attack, no it aint, it is developing and if it is that good as you say it is, it will survive, it have been doing that for ages. And you are not a living museum, are you?

    All I can say is this is nothing new, we who remember the early 80’s will think it just repeating it self when the greedy rules…

    So youth of today stand up and fight for your rights, do not ruin your local commuities but hit the power. And hit it where it hurts, not the single copper or fireman….

    You might need to change your weapons when this is over. Words and political discussion is the way forward. Remember we are all going to be here when this is over…..

    (Ups sorry got a bit winded up here…and ehh I might get in trouble for this but thats the way it is, I stand tall and I know where I stand. I stand with and behind the youth!)

    Bullshit. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. Especially in Britain, the amount of social security that is available to you in The Uk is crazy. The youth in this country have so many opportunities. The people doing this are just cunts, who are out to steal and cause destruction. These people arnt rioting and looting because of politics or rights, its to get a new pair of nike air max from JD.

    #1242864
    Tank Girl
    Participant
    #1242867
    DaftFader
    Participant

    Aparently under the riot damages act the polices insurance have to pay out for all the damages/compensation to victims.

    #1242865
    GiantMidget
    Participant

    @TheLostOne 446988 wrote:

    Bullshit. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. Especially in Britain, the amount of social security that is available to you in The Uk is crazy. The youth in this country have so many opportunities. The people doing this are just cunts, who are out to steal and cause destruction. These people arnt rioting and looting because of politics or rights, its to get a new pair of nike air max from JD.

    Very true mate, I bet half these twats don’t even know who the current PM is let alone rioting against government policy. It’s just mindless theft, People need to look at what stores are being looted. Electrical, clothing and supermarkets (for booze). this has nothing to do with politics.

    #1242862
    sinner69
    Participant

    treat your youngsters like shit, give them no hope and this is what you get!

    #1242873
    manaman
    Participant

    Nothing happened in hackney, if i was walking up mare st and i put my hand in my back pocket, and my wages were gone, i’d do more damage myself, if no cops or anyone came near me.There is more damage to local shops after every millwall v’ west Ham game than what happened here on monday.I found the helicopter attracted the people, it made you excited , people walked more quickly. And the ones that done the theiving, the cops have thier prints already

    #1242874
    manaman
    Participant

    one last say; was in ghe pembury tavern this evening, playing pool with 2 guys, spoke about monday and they said it was the helicopters that made them go down the road to see, and they said it was nowt compared to what they were seeing on the tv. If anyone from hackney say’s to you different they were in their homes watching on tv, it was to different stories

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