Looking at the world and I see all this violence, killing and rape against our women I feel that something is fundamental wrong and feminism is not.

@Clusterfrog 458768 wrote:

I think most of their work is done but there is still clear sexism in the world, it’s not the sort that requires activism though just slow changes of attitude, women already are exactly equal in the laws eyes but you can’t force them to be equal in everyone’s eyes. Yes men still get paid more etc but that is changing and I don’t think we need positive discrimination laws it is counterproductive

Just take a look outside our part of the world and U will see that the job is far from done, it haven’t started some places.

So look at domestic violence statistics for UK, I think you will find it is a long and hard road still to go, whats minor for you is huge problem others, we are talking of half of the population that is denied the half of the power….

I’ve not met many fundamental feminists (to the point of what american or even other European “wymmin” can be like) for about 20-30 years.

I can understand the Yanks doing this to some extent as their gender relations are backward by European and even modern Asian standards – for instance women are relatively well treated in Singapore and I’ve even met many British Muslims who are strongly supportive of gender equality although they do it in what we might think is a odd way

For instance after todays prayers in my old town there is youth club. They separate the girls and boys but this is done so the girls can learn about computers and vehicles etc without the boys trying to bully them. Intererstingly enough most Pakistani women I have met are really strong characters who would think nothing of fixing their own car or even building a extension to their house (my friends wife did this with him and both of them were sharing the work including lifting heavy concrete. And she had only recently had her 3rd kid!)

you get the odd whiny Grauniad wrter giving out mixed messages but there is still a need for better womens rights in the UK, we lag behind other Northern European nations. But feminists there sem to be practical rather than simple man haters. you get many in Germany running the animal shelters, you can always tell because their female cats are refered to as Die Katzin rather than Die Katze.. 😉

My mum is a feminist and that of course didn’t stop her having a relationship and children. Ironically Dad was typical a 1970s British Chinaman and would watch stuff like Benny Hill and other non PC stuff and even worse things like discharge air pistols on the balcony of our old flat – in full view of the street, leading to a visit from CID. I remember at age 5 answering the door to them and saying “Mum! Mum! the Sweeney are at the door and they want to speak to Dad!” to be fair they were relatively sound and just told Dad that whatever practices were allowed in his original country, you just did not do that sort of thing in Blighty – guns were you be used in safer places. Yet despite these difference they stayed happily married throughout Dad’s life, though today Mum ia wary to get a new partner because she always gets loads of unwanted attention from creepy old men who have the wrong idea about Asian women (and these are men aged 50-90!)

@!sinner69! 458773 wrote:

So look at domestic violence statistics for UK, I think you will find it is a long and hard road still to go, whats minor for you is huge problem others, we are talking of half of the population that is denied the half of the power….

True, but domestic violence is illegal. Women have all the support of the law and are equal to men in all respects apart from people’s attitudes, and that’s not something that can be forced it just has to come with time.

It’s the same with racism, we’ve done all we can as a society but there are still racists. You can be prosecuted or sued for racist behaviour or discrimination, you are educated about why it is wrong at school, but that’s all that can be done from societies point of view, all that remains is for people to change their attitudes and help others change their attitudes. When you push it too hard with legislation (as with the positive discrimination in for example the police force) you start to generate more anti-sentiment towards the minority groups which is counter productive.

equality means just that – you cant pick and choose which bits you want equality in and which you dont – its an all or nothing package as I see it.

have plenty of male friends who have been victims of domestic abuse and I dont care which way that plays – abuse is always wrong no matter who commits it

Uk is pretty enlightened about it all but the rest of the world not so much

@kiwifruit 458997 wrote:

Here lots of Swedish blokes get girls from outside of Sweden.
Why?
Well here they say that the women are like men and the men are well… often very feminine.

When immigrants come to Sweden, myself included you go to Swedish for Immigrants and part of the course is learning that here in Sweden women have the same rights as men.
That it is not ok to keep “your women” inside or beat them. They are not commodities to be owned.
And yes there is a need for these lessons here.
I poo pooed it to start with… until I started listening to the men in my group and I became very uncomfortable. They openly laughed about hitting their wives and girlfriends and listing what they could and could not do or else they would get a beating. We had a huge argument in the end as I could not stand to listen to any more of it.

The other issue that many men are too embarrassed to report is the issue of women who beat or attack their partners. Truly disgraceful. Women should get the same penalties for violence. They, like men who do it, should not be allowed to get away with it.

strangely enough a few days ago I was listening to “Boten Anna” and was thinking of you — not that you are a bot, but the lyrics are actually about exactly what you say about Scandinavian women,,

I realise now why Swedish is difficult – the grammar is quite logical, but speaking it different than EN or DE, – that bit where he sings “Jag känner en bott” is even more a challenge (to English speakers) than “g” in Dutch (except if I am practising I have to look away from the monitor or I end up cleaning spit off it…

North European feminism is more developed than the UK but It can get taken to extremes though and divides countries/genders more – I saw this youtube of a German dude who put down a piece of raw meat on the floor for his cats, and filmed the 3 fighting over it. All the blokes were saying “cool video”, but most of the women (whom from their profiles/videos were clearly feminist/yoghurt weaver types who run the animal shelters) commenting were berating him for being “cruel” to the cats (he later put up another video showing all the same cats happily curled up together asleep to pacify them).

TBH even if he had measured out exactly 250g each of meat with a DIN standard calibrated scale and gave them 3 separate bowls most cats if unwatched will still try and get in the other ones bowl and fight over the food, and German cats are no more disciplined than any others 😉 OK maybe they do behave better when these sort of matriachal figures are there as they can sense the maternal instinct (my own mum could get away with combing the cat’s fur and even putting baby powder on it whereas I’d get clawed up) and at feeding time in these shelters I expect there are shoults of “Nein! Böse Kater/Katzin! Keine Kämpfe, du muß friedlich sein!” (I’ve seen similar from crazy cat laidies worldwide) but as soon as they are away the cats will get up to all sorts 😉