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  • #1050952
    AvatarJustAnotherDarren
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    Obviously im unlikely to take your opinions to heart but i’d like to hear some anonymous opinions ๐Ÿ™‚
    So, i’m without direction in life, only 16 so isn’t surprising or concerning, however most of us decide our a levels. i’ve chosen my a levels on difficulty, and what the universities think of them, a combination of..
    1. Chemisty,
    2. Physics
    3. Literature
    4. History
    5. Maths and Further Maths
    eek, now i can do most of these, but im not motivated..
    so i will not work for a grade worth doing the subject, the other day halfway through my current exams i said dad
    FUCK IT, i cannot carry on any further, i am fully lost and am not worried in the slightest, i almost like it.
    What if next year, next year i take a year out to get a job, a laborious job!
    to my surprise he said yes.. if i can find one, get a contract signed as a builder etc
    What do you lot think?
    I really like the sound of this the current disadvantages and advantages i’ve found are listed below, even the silly ones ๐Ÿ™‚
    advantages;
    x Time to think, and consider a more direct life choice
    x Good work experience to see what a norma job is like,
    x Build a good strength at a young age, which i think is a slightly small one but still an advantage,
    x When i got to universities and they ask, why’ve you take an a year out, i can explain:
    I had no clue what to do, and so i took a year out, i imagine they may conclude this is fairly mature and that now i am more serious about my work.
    Disadvantages;
    x After a year of work i might not wanna go back to school and continue an education
    x it may look bad to universities
    x My friends all go to college and make new friends, i may miss out on the experience of making this new friends, and all my friends will be moving on into a similar path to each other but very different to mine and we may loose contact
    x ages 16-17 i won’t have a friday night out, i will most likely be extremely tired
    x lets face it with this lifestyle and only being 16-17 theres no chance i’ll be able to spend anytime at college and since my whole senior skl has been spent messing around i thought college might try and start something good, with A girl.
    Any opinions, advantages/disadvantages to be added?
    let me know PLEASE
    this is a big thing for me
    ๐Ÿ˜€

    #1239718
    AvatarAnonymous

    If your bright enough to do those subjects dont be a labourer for fucks sake. You can do that when you screw up because you smoke too much pot and never go to classes ๐Ÿ˜‰

    #1239725
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    You can learn a trade rather than just be a labourer… these days just because you learn a trade doesn’t mean you won’t go to college, especially if you want to do something like electrics or plumbing as you have to study for safety certificates. Often your employer will pay for you to go on day release. Bear in mind there are gonna be loads of people wanting solar energy and efficient houses as energy costs go through the roof…

    A lot of my younger friends are working as apprentices in this manner. OK the pay isn’t great but better than ยฃ9000 debt per year from uni, especially as even if you have a degree its not guaranteed now you have a high paying job..

    And you can still go to uni when you are older, people older than me sometimes start at uni after years of working….

    #1239719
    AvatarAnonymous

    @General Lighting 436238 wrote:

    You can learn a trade rather than just be a labourer… these days just because you learn a trade doesn’t mean you won’t go to college, especially if you want to do something like electrics or plumbing as you have to study for safety certificates. Often your employer will pay for you to go on day release. Bear in mind there are gonna be loads of people wanting solar energy and efficient houses as energy costs go through the roof…

    A lot of my younger friends are working as apprentices in this manner. OK the pay isn’t great but better than ยฃ9000 debt per year from uni, especially as even if you have a degree its not guaranteed now you have a high paying job..

    And you can still go to uni when you are older, people older than me sometimes start at uni after years of working….

    still worth him doing A-levels first though dont you think? even if he doesn’t go to uni?

    #1239726
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    Not for the trades as they usually take people in at 16+ and employers often consider youths with academic A-levels overqualified!

    TBH my A-levels haven’t been worth shit in the long run, and (other than getting access to computers what folk couldn’t afford 20 years ago) nor was the 2 years I spent in uni. I got my job through being self taught and today I see folk with degrees who earn less than me in shitty call centres…

    #1239740
    Avatardubstep_joe
    Participant

    Dude exactly the same by me… Im totally demotivated.. Ive even went to see the doc to see if anything is cuasing it etc.. but seriously time flies so quickly, and its hard enough finding a job these days id continue doing ur a levels. But dont over burden urself. Just dot it and find something other than a levels to keep u occupied. Build something or make something or program something etc..

    #1239744
    AvatarJustAnotherDarren
    Participant

    i think i can go a loong way if i get motivated ๐Ÿ™‚
    but im not motivated, and lack the motivation,
    if i’m going to be anything at all i’ll strive to be the best- not a plumber/electrician – a trader, engineer etc
    Otherwise i will just be a labourer.
    I don’t particularly want half way, i think the a levels would be a bore that i would drift through and get medium grades
    where as potentially with motivation i could get good, good grades, i hope and like to think
    *with many teachers saying-so aswell, but i’ve never made the effort

    #1239745
    AvatarJustAnotherDarren
    Participant

    @joe all i do atm is talk to friends, listen to music and build my music library.
    once im done with exams it;ll be the same but i’ll be out more often.

    #1239750
    Avatarmungo1972
    Participant

    Hi Just another Darren ,
    Yep tough one as how at sixteen are you supposed to know what you want to do with your life , who does …….i bet some of us still dont :-O . A year out is not a bad thing although with university positions getting less i’d grab one while you can . You have any idea of what you might like to do ? must be something ? but dont say space man !!!!! lol as you’d be lucky in this country lol . Maybe you should approach local business etc and ask if it be okay to visit for a day or two to get an idea of what they do …..bullshit abit and say that your interested in said job . Im sure most employers might go for it and it shows initiative .

    Of course if you knew what job you wanted it might help with what you might pick to do at uni or maybe just pick a subject you like . At least if you go uni by the time you graduate the job market may have improved ….we all hope . However as most have said it’s best to get a trade or a profession under your belt that way hopefully you’ll never be out of a job . Its a big time of your life as its the start of you making your way on your own so …….dont fuck it up :-O…mungo sounding like ya dad lol . Best of luck with it ๐Ÿ™‚ lets us know how you get on . Sorry i was not much help !!!

    regards
    Mungo

    #1239727
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @JustAnotherDarren 436245 wrote:

    i think i can go a loong way if i get motivated ๐Ÿ™‚
    but im not motivated, and lack the motivation,
    if i’m going to be anything at all i’ll strive to be the best- not a plumber/electrician – a trader, engineer etc
    Otherwise i will just be a labourer.
    I don’t particularly want half way, i think the a levels would be a bore that i would drift through and get medium grades
    where as potentially with motivation i could get good, good grades, i hope and like to think
    *with many teachers saying-so aswell, but i’ve never made the effort

    There are lots of different levels in the construction industry and at the top level it is more engineering than just manual work (such as a mixed solar tank and conventional heating system I was looking at, or the three phase electric wiring system that is used in this place, you need brains to get that to work…

    Also a lot of IT and telecoms jobs don’t need a degree either..

    The reason why these jobs are better for some folk is you get to see the end results of what you have done, such as the finished building and people having light and heat, or able to communicate with each other, whereas with uni it takes much longer to get something practical out of what you have learned…

    #1239736
    Avatarspangle
    Participant

    It depends what you’re going to want to do long term. If getting a career and financial independence soon is a priority then it’s definitely worth learning a good trade. Uni won’t be a passport to a top job any more, but if you need the intellectual stimulation of learning at a higher level and the chance to learn new perspectives on life, uni can be brilliant. It’s too difficult to really know at that age, a lot of people just default and go to uni coz it’s the done thing and end up with loads of debt and no real advantage. Going down the trades route will set you up nicely in the meantime, but uni does gives you the time to develop a bit more as a person and expose you to new ideas. A psychology thing I was reading the other day about life decisions and personality said to look back at when your where 12 years old, and what were you like then? Did you enjoy learning things at school or struggle?

    Decisions you make now don’t have to impact the rest of your life, plenty of people need time to mature before going to uni with a level head. I took two years out after A-Levels before going to uni to let off some steam ad it definitely helped motivate me more when I went.

    #1239720
    AvatarAnonymous

    i think i’m a couple of steps ahead of you at the moment, i just finished my first year of college so i might be able to help ๐Ÿ™‚
    i’m naturally talented at english and humanities, but i chose to do chemistry, physics, biology and psychology for college. i tell you now.. BIG MISTAKE. i dropped chemistry within the first term as it was literally driving me to almost suicide, it got me down so much (and after i dropped out, 7 other people decided to too). i still take physics but it is really hard work (i got AAA for triple science GCSE but physics alevel is nothing like physics gcse – you don’t have to just memorize things, it’s really complicated maths on top of all that). i’m currently looking at university courses and i truly wish i had chosen what i was good at, not just what i thought sounded impressive on a UCAS form. if you carry on in college, choose you strongest subjects. alot of people are finding history this year boring, it’s alot of politics and not all that interesting and gory stuff you did at GCSE, and physics is very different to how you probably imagine it to be. i think english is a good sturdy subject to choose if you’re willing to work hard at it and maths will really help you with your physics if you choose it (although quite a few in my physics class are finding maths more difficult than the physics).
    your idea of a year out is good but i considered that and it’s not the easiest getting the motivation to get back into it, and you’ll be a year behind all of your friends. i just want to plough forward and get through it all as quick as i can. there is time to change courses when you first start college too. but i would choose to spread my subjects out. maybe pick 2 maths/science subjects to go with 2 humanities or arts subjects, unless you are sure of what you want to do in the future. keep open as many options as you can so theres more than one direction you can go forward. i know that this is a really hard time, so good luck choosing ๐Ÿ™‚

    (and theres plenty of time to mess around at college ๐Ÿ˜‰ you just need to get your head down at the critical times before exams. if anything, take a year out after college and do something worth while. college goes so much quicker than you expect, seems like yesterday that i started).

    #1239748
    Avatarkiwifruit
    Participant

    Just wanted to add, that you say you are 16.
    It’s perfectly ok at 16 to not have a friggin clue about what you want to do. Living in sweden opened my eyes big time to doing what you love to do. People here go back to uni or colleges to retrain in careers and skills that they are interested in after working for a bit or having got a qualification in something else and then realising that it didnt suit them.

    Don’t box yourself into “I have to be this or that”.
    What would you LIKE to be doing in the next 5 years? What realistically do you see yourself doing and enjoying? I guess the subjects you take at high school have to be ones that you need grades in for courses later on. I dont really know as it was a long time ago I was in your shoes.
    Does your school have a work/uni course counsellor that you can speak to. Maybe they might be best as they know what is required for different courses later on.

    I have yet to meet any 16/17 year olds that at some point thought “what’s the point and fuck it all.”
    You’ll work through it ๐Ÿ™‚
    My swedish man- a couple of years ago retrained as an electrician as here where I live jobs are pretty much nonexsistent. He thought about what he was good at and off he went. His first love is computery stuff but everyone here seems to have masters degrees (education is free here) in that so getting a job is impossible without being over the top qualified.

    The worst thing you can do is choose a course because your mates are doing it ๐Ÿ™‚

    Good luck!

    #1239746
    AvatarJustAnotherDarren
    Participant

    Mate’s choose shite subjects mostly,
    I’m mostly going for maths, physics, english lit and history.
    Although i do not know why im doing them, or whether i can do as well as i could before exams..
    Besides my college is quite druggy and not very up for work.
    Atm i go out a lot, and getting into squat raves gives me the motive to stay out even later after clubs/bars/mates houses.
    I imagine i’ll spend the next 2 years fucking it up if i go college :L

    #1239721
    AvatarAnonymous

    ahh i don’t wanna sound preachy but theres no point in going to college if you’re going to screw it up for sure and not actually try when you need to. a waste of a year or two of your life that you could be spending doing something else, and if you screw it up first time they’ll be more reluctant to let you do it a second time, especially as you’ll be relying on your college to write a statement about you. you’ve chosen a good spread of subjects though by the look of it. if you’re doing the science and the maths, i wouldn’t recommend actually taking them unless you get a A/A* in the subject at GCSE.. although maybe a B if you’re willing to work really hard at it, i can’t stress how hard it gets and how dissimilar the subject is to the gcse. as kiwifruit said, being realistic is the key. i was very unrealistic and i’ve spent the last 8 months really regretting it, i’ve had to have 3-4 hours of extra physics tuition a week for the last 4 months to try and get me back on track and it’s still difficult. what subjects do you take now?

    #1239749
    Avatarkiwifruit
    Participant

    I have yet to meet any 16/17 year olds that at some point thought “what’s the point and fuck it all.”

    OOPS I MEANT to say
    I have yet to meet any 16/17 year olds that at some point havn’t thought “what’s the point and fuck it all.”

    BAH. Looks like you cant edit after a certain time span ๐Ÿ™‚

    I was thinking…can you think of jobs you would like to do and work backwards, in that what do you need to do to get one in that field?
    Cant give you advice on maths as I failed that subject miserably in high school. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Its hard to say no when all your mates are gong to raves and having a good time. I know I always caved in. However I was older and had done the study bit. I guess if you want something bad enough you will find a way to study and enjoy yourself. I mean whats the point of paying huge amounts for a uni degree if you end up pissing it away…. you can find a balance ๐Ÿ™‚ It might mean saying no sometimes to the raving at the weekend, but hey you can continue raving for as long as you want when you are done with the study. Also you get way long holidays that you can go hard at at and then get yourself together for during term.

    I reckon once you find something you are interested in doing then the rest will fall into place.

    #1239735
    Avatarsinner69
    Participant

    Hmm what can I say? its normal to be tired in the morning …what ever you choose try to see 10 years a head and will you be happy with your choice then. I started work at your age and tried to get back to school(cause the I work I had demanded it..) at the age of 23 witch didnt work out cause i became interested in politics and became an activist 24/7( I did a homer simpson…see there is dog running!), I havent regret it one second, but when you are into going at school and know you want a good education, I think it will be easier to go on studying for while then take some years off and sort out where to go what to do…but whom I am to say this cause I didnt do it, so take it as friendly advise.

    #1239741
    AvatarSpazhazzard
    Participant

    It can take years to find out what you want to do, and any random event can throw you off what you thought you want to do. I’m 21 and realised a couple of months ago I’m most of the way through a degree (aerospace engineering) that I will probably NEVER use.

    Being an electrician or plumber is not the half way point between labourer and engineer by any means. There is a vast difference between the two and they are quite distinct. You can make a lot of money working in a trade if you get a good reputation or work for a reputable firm. There’s no reason to despair, almost nobody knows what they want from life at 16 and its more than likely that your life goals will change several times. If you’ve got no other idea you might as well stay in education and put the effort in in the event that you should decide to do something that requires you to have A levels.

    #1239752
    Avatarmungo1972
    Participant

    Hi SpazHazzard ,
    You design and build them , some pilot flies them and when all goes wrong i put them out lol

    regards
    Mungo

    #1239728
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @Spazhazzard 436375 wrote:

    Being an electrician or plumber is not the half way point between labourer and engineer by any means. There is a vast difference between the two and they are quite distinct. You can make a lot of money working in a trade if you get a good reputation or work for a reputable firm.

    Maybe its a regional difference but round this way its not seen as lower down the chain doing a trade and practical work than going to uni compared to London.

    I’ve hardly used anything I learned at uni (for the two years I was there) even though I studied IT and electronics and still work in an engineering role..

    #1239737
    Avatarcheeseweasel
    Participant

    Fuck uni off if you can’t think of any reason to go. I feel sorry for people your age, as it’s pretty much expected of 16-year-olds to do their A-levels and then pick something they’re vaguely interested in and do it at uni, usually ending up in a low to medium paid boring corporate job. It was the same when I was 16 too, but at least tuition fees were only ยฃ1000 per year so most of us will pay back the loan within 10 years or so. I think it’s driven by the fact that a school’s success is judged (by parents and govt) by the number of kids they send to universities.

    You should have a think about whether you genuinely want to leave education to do something more vocational (although we’re tacitly taught to look down on ‘workers’ and tradesmen you’ll probably end up on more money than most graduates and have greater job-satisfaction), or are just bored of school and lack motivation like most lads your age (in which case, man up and do your a-levels, it’s only 2 years of your life and costs nothing).

    #1239722
    AvatarAnonymous

    from the figures i’ve looked at in the past, grauates do earn more than those who do not go to university. considerably more in certain work, such as medicine, engineering and finance. but you just have to weigh up the pros and cons. you can do evening or part time courses in alot of subjects. i think it’s the opposite way round to what cheeseweasel mentioned, you’re more likely to be stuck in a dead-end boring desk job if you haven’t broadened your horizons and got a degree, which will make you more employable to a broader range of people.

    #1239729
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    The problem is those figures are in the past.

    Since then there has been an economic depression – added to which difficulties in protecting intellectual property mean that a lot of value provided by this has also permanently disappeared, as well as a crisis in the financial industry. Globalisation means UK graduates are often competing for work and salaries with even cleverer more hardworking folk from overseas who will do the same job for half the cost – and in our country management of medium size companies is shit so a lot of good talent and ideas never get anywhere and older managers who rose to the top are willing to smash the ladder that the youths would climb in favour of using cheap foreign labour.

    A very clever friend of mine who works in a senior engineering role for a large telecoms company mentions that with current UK fees and less opportunities, for many engieering subjects it makes more sense to emigrate to another EU country such as NL or DE or DK (you have to learn their language of course) and attend University there, as this is where the real opportunities for younger folk are.

    #1239723
    AvatarAnonymous

    but by the time my age group get through uni, the tables will have more than likely turned. and i’m sure that graduates still earn more money, despite the recession. although the fees have dramatically gone up now.

    #1239730
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    It will only be about 5 years by the time your age group graduate from uni. Its only the very top graduates in certain subjects – the boring, difficult subjects, not the ones most people find creative or fun – who are now earning more money. In London, many of these graduates are actually from overseas, particularly the Asian nations. Liberal arts graduates now often earn less than those what went nowhere near uni, and will also be saddled with the ยฃ27 000 debts! The foreign competition isn’t going to disappear either in the next decade or so, not unless the Internet for science/business collapses (extremely unlikely, even if its more frivolous uses get locked off due to resource constraints).

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