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June 28, 2005 at 9:44 am #1036547
this is one for all the ravers in Europe….
I’ve seen lots of ads for European (legal) raves go up and I am amazed at how cheap the entry prices are for huge events with large DJ line ups
€15 to €60
but in England entry prices for an all-nighter (converted for Euro rates) can be around €45 and a weekender up to €150 or more
this is why we have so many unlicensed raves and now there is conflict between ravers, cops and other sections of society which is steadily getting worse…
but what are we (not just ravers, the whole society) doing wrong in England that our otherwise harmless musical events are made so expensive and so hard to put on?
I would expect the authorities in other countries have the same concerns over drugs, crime, violence at large gatherings and licensed events also charge for policing costs like they do here – but I would expect the blue light (emergency) services have the same sort of costs in the EU compared to the UK – their equipment and training is much the same now
but anyone got any ideas on why there is such a difference?
could it be a problem in the UK on both sides, we have a culture here of binge-drinking, extreme poly-drug use and violence so whenever there is a large gathering the cops start preparing for WW III to break out and charge the promoters accordingly, but other countries don’t have this problem?
interested to know peoples views..
August 6, 2005 at 3:11 pm #1066278bump… any takers for this? Britain’s licensing system is under review so perhaps now is the time for all of us to work together…
October 15, 2005 at 11:32 am #1066279bump…I’ve just seen h put on what must be about 50 events in some EU countries, notably IT, DE, PT but even some in CN(HK)!!!
but there is far less happening in Britain (although one venue here in my city is re-opening), the club nights that do happen here are somtimes blighted by violence and the quality doesn’t seem to be as good as it could beso what is happening?
mind you I don’t see many events in some other European countries like EE, FI, SE, NO – is there an “invisible iron curtain” developing between countries which have more tolerant views about music events / hedonistic lifestyles and those which are less progressive?
October 15, 2005 at 2:57 pm #1066281In my experience, big clubs and music venues exist well outside of city centres, often in an industrial estate, or right in the middle of no-where in many european countires (although you may find a couple of late night watering holes with a ‘dance floor’ in town centres)
in britain they tend to be in the city centre… this means that as people leave they are able to stagger about, fighting in the kebab shop /taxi queue etc, instead of just heading home
perhaps this has something to do with it?
I’ve also found, certainly in france, spain, italy and greece that there are far more back-handers to the police than would happen here (where a club owner often has to pay protection money to local rackets)
October 15, 2005 at 3:51 pm #1066280there used to be “country clubs” in the UK which became rave venues but the black rats shut them down by nicking people for driving under the influence.
I get the impression that perhaps many Euro countries don’t care as much about this…. (last time I was in Germany was on a business trip where much beer was drunk and yet people got straight back into their cars)
sadly it may be the case that whilst there are less fights there are more road traffic collisions but the body count is masked by a high “normal” death rate on the roads…
looking at the countries in Hugh’s post there definitely does seem to be a culture thing in operation, and I fear that the UK has a more puritanical attitude in line with the Teutonic and Scandinavian countries…
wonder what the score is with the “New EU Entrants?”
would be good to hear from anyone with knowledge (Zwezd@ ?)
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