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  • #1044110
    General Lighting
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    I’ve not put this on main yet as I want to be a bit more sure about the facts before I spread this news too wide

    apparently (weekend of gener8r) there was a psy-trance party somewhere in London

    as usual it had security and compulsory door charge (about £10 these days)

    anyway local rudes tried to rush the door

    couldn’t get through and the security secured the door against them

    so the rudeboys smashed every window they could see in the front of the warehouse

    its unclear who called 999 (bystanders or even people at the parties) but metpol turned up – in an ARV and they were “level 2 deployed” i.e firearms on dispay (Heckler and Koch MP5 carbines, 9mm parabellum) – they were calm, “friendly but firm” and told everyone in no uncertain terms the event was over, they must shut down the party and evacuate the building for safety – unsurprisingly people complied

    I have only seen a few posts on SJ about this though and little more said, but its a worrying escalation of things and the people who posted it definitely weren’t the sort who would make up something like this…

    I’ve seen ARVs on standby at Synthetic circus (can’t blame the cops really the way london’s going) but this is the first time I’ve ever heard of guns on display at a London free event (and I’ve been going to them since 1990)

    #1159374
    Raj
    Participant

    Sorry to be picky but a £10 door tax is not a free event in my book.
    I am still pretty hacked off about an english crew charging on the door of a psytrance party on someone else’s [scottish] usual site and ruining it for everyone. :annoyed: The locals and the cops took a very dim view of the punters being charged on the door and the mess left behind as well as the inconsiderate noise level all weekend.

    I am also not surprised that psytrance parties are getting the attendance of the police now – it was only a matter of time IMO.
    I always get the impression [rightly or wrongly] that psytrancers seem to think the laws dont apply to them for some reason – am I just being unfairly biased or do others get that impression too? [could be I have only run into bait crews after all]

    #1217160
    Raj
    Participant

    Sorry to be picky but a £10 door tax is not a free event in my book.
    I am still pretty hacked off about an english crew charging on the door of a psytrance party on someone else’s [scottish] usual site and ruining it for everyone. :annoyed: The locals and the cops took a very dim view of the punters being charged on the door and the mess left behind as well as the inconsiderate noise level all weekend.

    I am also not surprised that psytrance parties are getting the attendance of the police now – it was only a matter of time IMO.
    I always get the impression [rightly or wrongly] that psytrancers seem to think the laws dont apply to them for some reason – am I just being unfairly biased or do others get that impression too? [could be I have only run into bait crews after all]

    #1159367
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    nah you are 100% right about some of the psytrancers (although the ones I know from Reading are sound enough)

    But the London crews have a dodgy undercurrent of “Mediterranean” gang activity (Italians, spanish etc gangsters running the doors and drugs) – Also their security are prepared to play “hard man games” such as doling out punishment beatings to “unapproved” dealers

    there’s also a dodgy aspect of the foreign parties too, like how someone said “Oh, Indian parties are fine because we pay baksheesh (bribes) to the feds”

    I’m sure if a ton of Asians came to Britain and were paying off our bobbies to punt out heroin there wouldn’t be such a liberal view of things..

    TBH I don’t blame the Met for what they did but the way everyones carrying on in London its hotting it up for everyone..

    #1217153
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    nah you are 100% right about some of the psytrancers (although the ones I know from Reading are sound enough)

    But the London crews have a dodgy undercurrent of “Mediterranean” gang activity (Italians, spanish etc gangsters running the doors and drugs) – Also their security are prepared to play “hard man games” such as doling out punishment beatings to “unapproved” dealers

    there’s also a dodgy aspect of the foreign parties too, like how someone said “Oh, Indian parties are fine because we pay baksheesh (bribes) to the feds”

    I’m sure if a ton of Asians came to Britain and were paying off our bobbies to punt out heroin there wouldn’t be such a liberal view of things..

    TBH I don’t blame the Met for what they did but the way everyones carrying on in London its hotting it up for everyone..

    #1159380
    Tank Girl
    Participant

    makes me think I was quite lucky then if it was the one sat just gone?

    as I desperatly wanted to go to it – as my previous experience with their partys have been good –

    as from what I know of the peeps they are usually free and donations for the rig if you want to contribute and always promote clean up as you go – so may be mistaken

    but not good either way

    #1217165
    Tank Girl
    Participant

    makes me think I was quite lucky then if it was the one sat just gone?

    as I desperatly wanted to go to it – as my previous experience with their partys have been good –

    as from what I know of the peeps they are usually free and donations for the rig if you want to contribute and always promote clean up as you go – so may be mistaken

    but not good either way

    #1159368
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    nah this was some time ago (I think Gener8r may have been on 2008-03-08)

    sounds like theres a fair few psy-trance party crews though

    in between all the crap on SJ there are some accurate posts, but none of the news is good – people I know personally are posting stuff on there which is plainly showing that with each free party in the London area the different warring factions become more entrenched –

    TBH I think the Met are genuinely now only trying to stop people getting hurt or even killed than being killjoys.. but in this country cops do not bring out guns unless they feel they may need to use them..

    #1217154
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    nah this was some time ago (I think Gener8r may have been on 2008-03-08)

    sounds like theres a fair few psy-trance party crews though

    in between all the crap on SJ there are some accurate posts, but none of the news is good – people I know personally are posting stuff on there which is plainly showing that with each free party in the London area the different warring factions become more entrenched –

    TBH I think the Met are genuinely now only trying to stop people getting hurt or even killed than being killjoys.. but in this country cops do not bring out guns unless they feel they may need to use them..

    #1159381
    Tank Girl
    Participant
    General Lighting wrote:
    TBH I think the Met are genuinely now only trying to stop people getting hurt or even killed than being killjoys.. but in this country cops do not bring out guns unless they feel they may need to use them..

    indeed, and this is why I’ve stayed away from a lot of the squat partys and wharehouse ones these days unless I know something of the ‘crew’ as I personally find all the gangster stuff that is going with it all too frightening – I know we’ve had similar chats about this but thats why I calmed it down a bit in my early 20’s as it was all just getting too hectic and ‘gang’ like for me – :hopeless:
    I like a fluffy chilled out vibe not a watch your back vibe when I’m out –

    #1217166
    Tank Girl
    Participant
    General Lighting wrote:
    TBH I think the Met are genuinely now only trying to stop people getting hurt or even killed than being killjoys.. but in this country cops do not bring out guns unless they feel they may need to use them..

    indeed, and this is why I’ve stayed away from a lot of the squat partys and wharehouse ones these days unless I know something of the ‘crew’ as I personally find all the gangster stuff that is going with it all too frightening – I know we’ve had similar chats about this but thats why I calmed it down a bit in my early 20’s as it was all just getting too hectic and ‘gang’ like for me – :hopeless:
    I like a fluffy chilled out vibe not a watch your back vibe when I’m out –

    #1159372
    process
    Participant
    Tank Girl wrote:
    indeed, and this is why I’ve stayed away from a lot of the squat partys and wharehouse ones these days unless I know something of the ‘crew’ as I personally find all the gangster stuff that is going with it all too frightening – I know we’ve had similar chats about this but thats why I calmed it down a bit in my early 20’s as it was all just getting too hectic and ‘gang’ like for me – :hopeless:
    I like a fluffy chilled out vibe not a watch your back vibe when I’m out –

    nice fluffy parties up north, for the mean time anyway…

    #1217158
    process
    Participant
    Tank Girl wrote:
    indeed, and this is why I’ve stayed away from a lot of the squat partys and wharehouse ones these days unless I know something of the ‘crew’ as I personally find all the gangster stuff that is going with it all too frightening – I know we’ve had similar chats about this but thats why I calmed it down a bit in my early 20’s as it was all just getting too hectic and ‘gang’ like for me – :hopeless:
    I like a fluffy chilled out vibe not a watch your back vibe when I’m out –

    nice fluffy parties up north, for the mean time anyway…

    #1159385
    GiantMidget
    Participant

    Well if this the way some parties are gonna go down then i say shut em down, I’m with the OB on this one. Raves are fun an all but when you throw possibilities of gang warfare so to speak and other retarded shit then these parties really shouldn’t be occurring.

    You’re there to have fun not worrying about watching your back the whole night! :you_crazy

    #1217171
    GiantMidget
    Participant

    Well if this the way some parties are gonna go down then i say shut em down, I’m with the OB on this one. Raves are fun an all but when you throw possibilities of gang warfare so to speak and other retarded shit then these parties really shouldn’t be occurring.

    You’re there to have fun not worrying about watching your back the whole night! :you_crazy

    #1159369
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    the Met usually leave you to get on with it so there must have been something IMO what made them react in such an extreme manner

    I wouldn’t be too complacent up north either

    if the head cop of GMP is brown bread (wasn’t he the one found at bottom of a mountain?) then there is gonna be someone taking his place, and will want to prove him/herself

    or another senior position will be vacated by them at another constabulary

    this is in part how Norfolk got locked down, ironically those new cops came in from the North and one of them is all set on “stopping youth criminality etc”

    #1217155
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    the Met usually leave you to get on with it so there must have been something IMO what made them react in such an extreme manner

    I wouldn’t be too complacent up north either

    if the head cop of GMP is brown bread (wasn’t he the one found at bottom of a mountain?) then there is gonna be someone taking his place, and will want to prove him/herself

    or another senior position will be vacated by them at another constabulary

    this is in part how Norfolk got locked down, ironically those new cops came in from the North and one of them is all set on “stopping youth criminality etc”

    #1159382
    Tank Girl
    Participant
    General Lighting wrote:
    the Met usually leave you to get on with it so there must have been something IMO what made them react in such an extreme manner

    esp in city / built up areas –

    as I’d guess they have better things / crime to be dealing with than shutting down a party, unless something really is amiss

    #1217168
    Tank Girl
    Participant
    General Lighting wrote:
    the Met usually leave you to get on with it so there must have been something IMO what made them react in such an extreme manner

    esp in city / built up areas –

    as I’d guess they have better things / crime to be dealing with than shutting down a party, unless something really is amiss

    #1159376
    Raj
    Participant
    Tank Girl wrote:
    esp in city / built up areas –

    as I’d guess they have better things / crime to be dealing with than shutting down a party, unless something really is amiss

    Depends how they perceive the party scene though – it only takes one bad experience to make you question whether its really innocent or not.

    The psytrance crew that came and fouled the scottish site for everyone else has left me very cynical about psytrance crews in general. I do wait and see what individual crews do but I tend to have very low expectations in the first place as most of the crews I have encountered are the same.

    #1217161
    Raj
    Participant
    Tank Girl wrote:
    esp in city / built up areas –

    as I’d guess they have better things / crime to be dealing with than shutting down a party, unless something really is amiss

    Depends how they perceive the party scene though – it only takes one bad experience to make you question whether its really innocent or not.

    The psytrance crew that came and fouled the scottish site for everyone else has left me very cynical about psytrance crews in general. I do wait and see what individual crews do but I tend to have very low expectations in the first place as most of the crews I have encountered are the same.

    #1159383
    Tank Girl
    Participant
    Raj wrote:
    Depends how they perceive the party scene though – it only takes one bad experience to make you question whether its really innocent or not.

    The psytrance crew that came and fouled the scottish site for everyone else has left me very cynical about psytrance crews in general. I do wait and see what individual crews do but I tend to have very low expectations in the first place as most of the crews I have encountered are the same.

    yeh, I’d not thought that 😉

    #1217169
    Tank Girl
    Participant
    Raj wrote:
    Depends how they perceive the party scene though – it only takes one bad experience to make you question whether its really innocent or not.

    The psytrance crew that came and fouled the scottish site for everyone else has left me very cynical about psytrance crews in general. I do wait and see what individual crews do but I tend to have very low expectations in the first place as most of the crews I have encountered are the same.

    yeh, I’d not thought that 😉

    #1159371
    elretardo87
    Participant
    Raj wrote:
    The psytrance crew that came and fouled the scottish site for everyone else has left me very cynical about psytrance crews in general. I do wait and see what individual crews do but I tend to have very low expectations in the first place as most of the crews I have encountered are the same.

    Not only did they ruin Cammo but they also then went on Radio Scotland discussing free parties for a mini documentary thing they were running. The kindly told the guy “drugs aren’t all raves are about but we never really have a good party without a good drug supply.”

    I mean FFS that is not gona win any support….we tried to do a party 3 weeks later that never even got going as the police were in force at the 2 sites we tried before we were even there.

    #1217157
    elretardo87
    Participant
    Raj wrote:
    The psytrance crew that came and fouled the scottish site for everyone else has left me very cynical about psytrance crews in general. I do wait and see what individual crews do but I tend to have very low expectations in the first place as most of the crews I have encountered are the same.

    Not only did they ruin Cammo but they also then went on Radio Scotland discussing free parties for a mini documentary thing they were running. The kindly told the guy “drugs aren’t all raves are about but we never really have a good party without a good drug supply.”

    I mean FFS that is not gona win any support….we tried to do a party 3 weeks later that never even got going as the police were in force at the 2 sites we tried before we were even there.

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