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    General Lighting
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      London really is fucked up these days!

      Although its obviously a good thing everyone a crowded shop didn’t panic – the comment the woman makes in the report comes across as she doesn’t even seem that shocked that a couple have an argument and kill one another in the middle of a store in London

      this is an top range department store, not your low-budget chav type place as well…

      Pair shot dead at Harvey Nichols
      Two people have been found dead after a shooting in the Harvey Nichols department store in London. Police said they were called to the department store in Knightsbridge in west London, on Tuesday evening.

      They said two people, both thought to have been aged in their 30s and reported to be a man and a woman, were found dead on the ground floor.

      A Metropolitan Police spokeswoman said they were not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident.

      The Met has not identified the two dead people and could not confirm details of the relationship between the pair.

      Shopper Charlotte O’Leary was in the store’s restaurant at the time of the shooting.

      She told BBC News: “We were asked to leave by the police and as we were leaving we saw the dead body of the girl that was shot.

      “There was absolutely no feeling of panic, it doesn’t feel as if there was a mad gunman.”

      Ms O’Leary said the shop was cordoned off, with paramedics and police in attendance, and Knightsbridge Tube station appeared to be closed.

      Story from BBC NEWS:
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/london/4243658.stm

      Published: 2005/09/13 21:16:06 GMT

      © BBC MMV

      #1067058
      sambo303
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        I was quite shocked by this news story. It was like something off the American news.
        I dont know if guns are becoming more prevalent in London, I heard before it was knives that posed the main threat, I hope not.

        I heard an American on the radio recently saying the UK would definitely have legalised guns for private citizens within 10 years. In the light of this incident, I sincerely hope he’s wrong.

        Following the killing by police of an innocent man (well innocent of the crime he was supposed to have been involved in) re the recent bombings, I would say the police need to review who amongst them is armed and how they are trained let alone let ordinary citizens loose with automatics. I do believe however, that the sight of officers with guns (now pretty common around London) does start the process of legitimising guns. When I was young the sight of a gun in a policeman’s holdster was a shock. It isn’t anymore.

        Apparently it’s pretty easy to get a gun in the UK – I suggest the police spend their time getting to the bottom of this trade rather than prosecuting free party goers. But I suppose it’s easier to round up a load of spannered ravers than infiltrate the underbelly of London gangland.

        #1067057
        General Lighting
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          sambo303 wrote:
          Apparently it’s pretty easy to get a gun in the UK – I suggest the police spend their time getting to the bottom of this trade rather than prosecuting free party goers. But I suppose it’s easier to round up a load of spannered ravers than infiltrate the underbelly of London gangland.

          although knives are still the main weapon used these days (along with bottles and normal tools) there is now more of a culture of gun use amongst city youths in council estates. Even so most guns used on the street are BB replicas or “rebores” – a metal BB firer alteted to chamber a .22 LR round (still readily available for pest control, and still lethal at close range – a popular “assasins weapon” during WW II and the Cold War)

          However real guns chambered for 9mm para or even 7.62mm Soviet rounds (based on AK47 rifle ammunition) are in use on the streets of London.

          A few years ago at an NYE illegal UK Garage party a DJ was shot dead for ending his set too early as this was “disrespect”.

          The weapon used was 7.62 calibre and the round had enough power left after killing the DJ to penetrate a wall and kill another person in an adjoining room! The shooter got 20 years, 10 for each person dead.

          it is fairly easy to get a firearm in the UK if you wish to associate with violent gangster types; and since the breakup of the USSR and the expansion of Europe and the reduction of border controls many pistols were brought or even posted from Europe.

          The Czech republic is well known for producing high-quality but cheap self-loading pistols, a hangover from their Soviet days.

          It is often permitted to carry a pistol in many European countries; and young men in particular often routinely do this.

          It was perhaps this culture which led to the death of this London couple.

          I was advised that at the European teknivals that guns were often produced and used to settle disputes – but more by waving them at people instead of actually discharging them.

          Even many yanks who do have guns aren’t cowboy types but people like us trying to protect their lifestyles (many US progressive political activist types are armed for their own safety and I don’t blame them.)

          however its (thankfully) often difficult to get live ammunition in Britain as sale of anything over .22 LR calibre is heavily restricted.

          Cops do know about the gun problems and do arrest people ; the stark reality is there is more of it than the cops can cope with. An armed society wouldn’t help though – its already happened in London in the victorian days and there were regular gun battles in city areas.

          the situation is in America (and even some of the newer European countries) is there is such mistrust of fellow citizens and even those in authority (perhaps understandably due to the divisions between races and cultures there) that a firearm is actually needed to keep an “uneasy peace by the threat of mutually assured destruction”

          shooting people isn’t like in the movies unless (like in this case) its a clear head or body shot and only one person is armed.

          people do not drop dead the moment they are hit – that means in your average gunfight where both people are armed and which takes place between a 15-25 metre range, even if one person is fatallly wounded they can still kill the other. this is the philosophy that people use to justify carrying guns.

          As for the underbelly of London gangland thats already infiltrating the free party scene as we are all aware; and the old London gangland taboo of avoiding firearms if possible and using your physical strength and/or your brains (or improvised weapons) is slipping away – I fear it won’t be long before real guns (not replicas which are already common place) do appear at free parties – they are already commonplace on the commercial club scene in London and provincial areas.

          I think the only reason it hasn’t happened yet as there is not enough bling yet on the squat party scene for even criminals to spend all that time money and effort using a real gun (still a few hundred quid involved) to jack someone for a mobile phone worth mere tens of pounds on the black market.

          However, you do just get complete psycopaths about in London these days – there’s already a culture of firing guns in the air for some urban music scenes which has already totally accidentally killed someone.

          And if people are prepared to shoot up a department store… I fear it will only be a matter of time before someone does let off shots in a crowded London free party just to “prove themselves”….

          #1067059
          sambo303
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            ‘However, you do just get complete psycopaths about in London these days – there’s already a culture of firing guns in the air for some urban music scenes which has already totally accidentally killed someone.’

            Yes! Whilst I was a student in Manchester (89-93) I remember a shooting of this type in a club full of punters. Manchester at the time was full of gangs roaming the street fully armed mind you, at least London appears not to be at that point yet.

            Thinking back to the Scum tek II I was pretty shocked by the sight of a man walking past me with blood literally pouring from wounds in his head. Very disturbing. I heard he was a drug dealer and had been ‘hammered’ 6 times in the head. Imagine if the rival drug dealer had a gun, not a hammer….in fact I’d rather not.

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