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    General Lighting
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    This is why I never go out in the major town venues… I had a far better weekend with my mates at a pub night just outside Stowmarket, and then went to a few friends houses afterwards..

    TBH though its wider societys own fault, a few years ago the dance-music friendly venues here got closed down because of the “drugs menace” and the culture moved away from music and fun and back to binge drinking and people trying to prove themselves…

    Four released on bail after brawl
    18 June 2007

    FOUR men have been released on bail today after a huge brawl in Ipswich town centre.

    Fighting broke out between two groups of men near the Fire and Ice nightclub and bar in Tacket Street, in the early hours of yesterday morning.

    A belt and a piece of wood were used as weapons during the fracas.

    So serious was the brawl, that every available police officer in the Ipswich area was called to the scene.

    Councillors are this week holding urgent talks about night time violence in the town.

    Four people, who police said had been in the nightclub, were arrested and were later questioned at police stations in Ipswich and Sudbury. All four have since been released on bail.

    Jane Chambers, ward councillor on Ipswich Borough Council said she would raise issues about late-night drunken behaviour and noise at meeting of the council’s licensing committee on Thursday.

    She said: “I have had far too many complaints about this sort of behaviour and I think we need to educate young people about drinking and get the nightclubs and pubs to take a more responsible attitude towards their clientele.

    “We have to keep a very serious eye on these places because the town centre is getting more populated with residents and they do not want the noise.”

    Police were first called to Fire and Ice at around 3.55am.

    As officers arrived, a car arrived and took several men to the nearby Cox Lane car park where fighting again broke out.

    Arrests were later made for assault and violent disorder.

    Sam Mouhamd was working at the Fresh Kebab house in Upper Orwell Street at the time.

    He said: “It was a huge fight. I have never seen anything like it before.

    “It was going on for more than half-an-hour. There were seven police cars but they couldn’t handle the situation.”

    The Evening Star understands that the incident was not alcohol-fuelled.

    Inspector Mark Lewis, from Suffolk police, said: “The men used a belt and wood in the fight, which were clearly opportunist weapons. People were not tooled up.

    “We will be looking at CCTV footage over the next few days to see what it can provide us with.”

    No one from Fire and Ice was available for comment.

    The violence comes just weeks after Kesgrave teenager Matthew Buckman suffered serious stab wounds to his neck in an alleyway incident in Tacket Street.

    A 20-year-old man was subsequently charged with attempted murder. A second man, 25, arrested in connection with the incident has been released on bail.

    Anyone with information on the fight is asked to call Suffolk Police on 01473 613500.

    Did you see the brawl? Call The Evening Star newsdesk on 01473 324840 or e-mail eveningstarletters@eveningstar.co.uk

    #1113709
    winstonsmith
    Participant

    “The Evening Star understands that the incident was not alcohol-fuelled.”

    I was, for a minute, left genuinely fucking speechless! Who did they “understand” that from?

    I guess it must have beeen those evil gurning loved up pill heads again… :you_crazy

    #1134014
    winstonsmith
    Participant

    “The Evening Star understands that the incident was not alcohol-fuelled.”

    I was, for a minute, left genuinely fucking speechless! Who did they “understand” that from?

    I guess it must have beeen those evil gurning loved up pill heads again… :you_crazy

    #1113706
    Boozeyreg
    Participant

    could have been coke heads if it wasn’t the booze.

    #1134011
    Boozeyreg
    Participant

    could have been coke heads if it wasn’t the booze.

    #1113703
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    winstonsmith wrote:
    “The Evening Star understands that the incident was not alcohol-fuelled.”

    I was, for a minute, left genuinely fucking speechless! Who did they “understand” that from?

    I suspect it was the impression they got from the Police and maybe the journos interviewing eyewitnesses, such as the kebab house bloke.

    There is enough anger on the streets these days, for many people (particularly young men) to be prepared to fight whilst still (relatively) sober. Lots of simmering resentment over stuff like competing for girls, racial tension, or just argumentative people who feel they have something to prove.

    I’ve seen cops dealing with violence at town centre venues as early at 19:00-20:00, just after they have opened – incidents like these are normally between individuals or groups who know one another and have held long-standing grudges they feel can only be “solved” by violence.

    OTOH I know lots of people who get wholly trashed every weekend on a cocktail of all sorts of substances including alcohol – but don’t end up getting into fights.

    #1134008
    General Lighting
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    winstonsmith wrote:
    “The Evening Star understands that the incident was not alcohol-fuelled.”

    I was, for a minute, left genuinely fucking speechless! Who did they “understand” that from?

    I suspect it was the impression they got from the Police and maybe the journos interviewing eyewitnesses, such as the kebab house bloke.

    There is enough anger on the streets these days, for many people (particularly young men) to be prepared to fight whilst still (relatively) sober. Lots of simmering resentment over stuff like competing for girls, racial tension, or just argumentative people who feel they have something to prove.

    I’ve seen cops dealing with violence at town centre venues as early at 19:00-20:00, just after they have opened – incidents like these are normally between individuals or groups who know one another and have held long-standing grudges they feel can only be “solved” by violence.

    OTOH I know lots of people who get wholly trashed every weekend on a cocktail of all sorts of substances including alcohol – but don’t end up getting into fights.

    #1113710
    winstonsmith
    Participant

    Boozeyreg, coke crossed my mind too. I personally cant see what anyone enjoys about it, especially considering the price of the stuff, having tried it a few times. Maybe I’m just too much of a schmoker.

    I imagine tiredness and irritability, in combination with booze and the anger that General Lighting pointed out, also played their part at nearly 4am. I havent been to a club in years except a trip to MoS, which was cack, so I don’t really have a feel for what its like nowadays.

    We need the free party scene more than ever…

    #1134015
    winstonsmith
    Participant

    Boozeyreg, coke crossed my mind too. I personally cant see what anyone enjoys about it, especially considering the price of the stuff, having tried it a few times. Maybe I’m just too much of a schmoker.

    I imagine tiredness and irritability, in combination with booze and the anger that General Lighting pointed out, also played their part at nearly 4am. I havent been to a club in years except a trip to MoS, which was cack, so I don’t really have a feel for what its like nowadays.

    We need the free party scene more than ever…

    #1113708
    PHARTY
    Participant

    Its just the nature of people its always been like that first saw someone get stabbed to death in 1981 when I was 16 seen untold amounts of horrible violence for violence sake since and have lost A LOT of friends or just people I knew to violence both murdered and murderer the only times I ever thought it might be different was in the late 80s to early to mid 90s but that was probly just me thinking that things were less violent as was into a happier scene so didnt look out at the rest of society to much as was happy where I was now when I look back it was still there even then it can get very depressing when you think about it but thats life unfortunately

    #1134013
    PHARTY
    Participant

    Its just the nature of people its always been like that first saw someone get stabbed to death in 1981 when I was 16 seen untold amounts of horrible violence for violence sake since and have lost A LOT of friends or just people I knew to violence both murdered and murderer the only times I ever thought it might be different was in the late 80s to early to mid 90s but that was probly just me thinking that things were less violent as was into a happier scene so didnt look out at the rest of society to much as was happy where I was now when I look back it was still there even then it can get very depressing when you think about it but thats life unfortunately

    #1113704
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    PHARTY wrote:
    the only times I ever thought it might be different was in the late 80s to early to mid 90s but that was probly just me thinking that things were less violent as was into a happier scene so didnt look out at the rest of society to much as was happy where I was now

    nah, I noticed the same change as well,

    I started becoming curious about the sociological/criminology side of alternative societies at a very early age, even at junior school I was fascinated at what had caused such things as the Brixton riots

    My parents never shielded me from stuff like hard news documentatries or “bad news” so I always watched the news and read all the local papers as soon as I was old enough to understand them properly (from age 9-10 upwards). I was well aware there was a lot of trouble on the streets in the early 1980s, even when I lived in West Berkshire at the time it was still a rural area!

    I was a teenager around the mid 80s to early 90s and I would say that although crime still happened particularly in inner cities and run down areas, I felt that there definitely was less violence and people were happier even compared to the early 80s.

    I did however grow up in affluent South East England which had the best of the IT/high tech boom (sadly only because the Cold War increased defence electronics contracts and spending).

    For me it wasn’t drug induced “false euphoria” either as I didn’t really start taking drugs regularly until 1991.

    I think it was a lot to do with the economy still being relatively vibrant, a lot of work that is now outsourced today was still in Britain and jobs were far easier to get and keep – leading to people (particularly young males) feeling more secure in their lives, whatever their original backgrounds or skin colour..

    People are less inclined to fight and kill one another when they don’t feel they are constantly competing with each other.

    It all started going downhill again from 1992/3 onwards but then the dot-com boom from 1999-2001 caused another spate of slightly “better times..” (but then it all went bang around 9/11)

    I think what has happened is we seem to have gone back to the situation of the early 1980s..

    #1134009
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    PHARTY wrote:
    the only times I ever thought it might be different was in the late 80s to early to mid 90s but that was probly just me thinking that things were less violent as was into a happier scene so didnt look out at the rest of society to much as was happy where I was now

    nah, I noticed the same change as well,

    I started becoming curious about the sociological/criminology side of alternative societies at a very early age, even at junior school I was fascinated at what had caused such things as the Brixton riots

    My parents never shielded me from stuff like hard news documentatries or “bad news” so I always watched the news and read all the local papers as soon as I was old enough to understand them properly (from age 9-10 upwards). I was well aware there was a lot of trouble on the streets in the early 1980s, even when I lived in West Berkshire at the time it was still a rural area!

    I was a teenager around the mid 80s to early 90s and I would say that although crime still happened particularly in inner cities and run down areas, I felt that there definitely was less violence and people were happier even compared to the early 80s.

    I did however grow up in affluent South East England which had the best of the IT/high tech boom (sadly only because the Cold War increased defence electronics contracts and spending).

    For me it wasn’t drug induced “false euphoria” either as I didn’t really start taking drugs regularly until 1991.

    I think it was a lot to do with the economy still being relatively vibrant, a lot of work that is now outsourced today was still in Britain and jobs were far easier to get and keep – leading to people (particularly young males) feeling more secure in their lives, whatever their original backgrounds or skin colour..

    People are less inclined to fight and kill one another when they don’t feel they are constantly competing with each other.

    It all started going downhill again from 1992/3 onwards but then the dot-com boom from 1999-2001 caused another spate of slightly “better times..” (but then it all went bang around 9/11)

    I think what has happened is we seem to have gone back to the situation of the early 1980s..

    #1113707
    globalloon
    Participant

    i think this must be a regional thing. during the late 80’s to late 90’s there was always a high level of street violence in Exeter… not muggings but just unprovoked violence for its’ own sake. the recession around the turn of the decade (and the lack of a minimum wage) meant a lot of people were working hard but were still poor, and very likely to lose their job at any moment. the frustration spilled out into the street

    the dot-com economy didn’t directly create any jobs in this area

    the streets are safer now than anytime i can remember since i started spending time in the city centre on my own, 20+ years ago… there’s more vibrant nightlife in the city centre than ever before and it’s more diverse… the centre used to be a townie preserve, now there are people of wider ages and different backgrounds using the city at night and that seems to dilute any agression

    it’s different where ever you go

    #1134012
    globalloon
    Participant

    i think this must be a regional thing. during the late 80’s to late 90’s there was always a high level of street violence in Exeter… not muggings but just unprovoked violence for its’ own sake. the recession around the turn of the decade (and the lack of a minimum wage) meant a lot of people were working hard but were still poor, and very likely to lose their job at any moment. the frustration spilled out into the street

    the dot-com economy didn’t directly create any jobs in this area

    the streets are safer now than anytime i can remember since i started spending time in the city centre on my own, 20+ years ago… there’s more vibrant nightlife in the city centre than ever before and it’s more diverse… the centre used to be a townie preserve, now there are people of wider ages and different backgrounds using the city at night and that seems to dilute any agression

    it’s different where ever you go

    #1113705
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    globalloon wrote:
    the recession around the turn of the decade (and the lack of a minimum wage) meant a lot of people were working hard but were still poor, and very likely to lose their job at any moment. the frustration spilled out into the street

    which is exactly what is happening here now due to overseas competition/outsourcing, the loss of the fishing industry and efficiency drives at the ports meaning less personnel are needed in shipping and logistics.

    Quote:
    the dot-com economy didn’t directly create any jobs in this area

    not then, but things have changed due to market pressures and a lot of office/IT work has been wrestled away from the East and South East.

    There has always been a fair bit of rivalry between SW and Eastern England, initially over fish (the ports of Lowestoft and Cornwall were bitter rivals), but now it is for call centre/IT work.

    The corporates make use of this competition to drive down costs and wages..

    For instance my electric bill is from the company that was the old Eastern Electricity Board but the call centre/office is actually now in Plymouth! A lot of businesses have relocated to the West/SW in recent times to tap into a cheaper resource base.

    Quote:
    there’s more vibrant nightlife in the city centre than ever before and it’s more diverse… the centre used to be a townie preserve, now there are people of wider ages and different backgrounds using the city at night and that seems to dilute any agression

    it’s different where ever you go

    might be due to better licensing policies.

    I get the impression the councils and particularly the cops here would like to put Ipswich on curfew, but they grudgingly endure the nighttime economy as at least people are spending money in the town.

    Most people not in their teens/20s I know actually avoid the town (and same goes for Stowmarket, BSE and other similar places).

    However any place playing electronic dance music is given the third degree by the cops – landlords, promoters, everyone gets quizzed and checked out..

    #1134010
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    globalloon wrote:
    the recession around the turn of the decade (and the lack of a minimum wage) meant a lot of people were working hard but were still poor, and very likely to lose their job at any moment. the frustration spilled out into the street

    which is exactly what is happening here now due to overseas competition/outsourcing, the loss of the fishing industry and efficiency drives at the ports meaning less personnel are needed in shipping and logistics.

    Quote:
    the dot-com economy didn’t directly create any jobs in this area

    not then, but things have changed due to market pressures and a lot of office/IT work has been wrestled away from the East and South East.

    There has always been a fair bit of rivalry between SW and Eastern England, initially over fish (the ports of Lowestoft and Cornwall were bitter rivals), but now it is for call centre/IT work.

    The corporates make use of this competition to drive down costs and wages..

    For instance my electric bill is from the company that was the old Eastern Electricity Board but the call centre/office is actually now in Plymouth! A lot of businesses have relocated to the West/SW in recent times to tap into a cheaper resource base.

    Quote:
    there’s more vibrant nightlife in the city centre than ever before and it’s more diverse… the centre used to be a townie preserve, now there are people of wider ages and different backgrounds using the city at night and that seems to dilute any agression

    it’s different where ever you go

    might be due to better licensing policies.

    I get the impression the councils and particularly the cops here would like to put Ipswich on curfew, but they grudgingly endure the nighttime economy as at least people are spending money in the town.

    Most people not in their teens/20s I know actually avoid the town (and same goes for Stowmarket, BSE and other similar places).

    However any place playing electronic dance music is given the third degree by the cops – landlords, promoters, everyone gets quizzed and checked out..

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