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April 23, 2013 at 2:14 pm #1055692
The Ministry of Love serves as Oceania’s interior ministry. It enforces loyalty and love of Big Brother through fear, a repressive apparatus, and brainwashing. The Ministry of Love building has no windows and is surrounded by barbed wire entanglements, steel doors, hidden machine-gun nests, and guards armed with “jointed truncheons“. Referred to as “The place where there is no darkness,” its interior lights are never turned off. It is arguably the most powerful ministry, controlling the will of the population. The Thought Police is part of Miniluv.
It contains Room 101, within which is “the worst thing in the world”.
The Ministry of Love, like the other ministries, is paradoxically named, since it is largely responsible for the practice and infliction of misery, fear, suffering, and torture. In a sense, however, the term is accurate, since its ultimate purpose is to instill love of Big Brother in the minds of thoughtcriminals. This is typical of the language of Newspeak, in which words and names frequently contain both an idea and its opposite; the orthodox party member is nonetheless able to resolve these contradictions through the disciplined use of Doublethink.You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Everyone has something intolerable that they will sacrifice ANYTHING to avoid. A man in a cell was willing to watch his children die of throat-slashing rather than face his worst fear.
“I betrayed you,” she said baldly.
“I betrayed you,” he said.
She gave him another quick look of dislike.
“Sometimes,” she said, “they threaten you with something – something you can’t stand up to, can’t even think about. And then you say, ‘Don’t do it to me, do it to somebody else, do it to so-and-so.’ And perhaps you might pretend, afterwards, that it was only a trick and that you just said it to make them stop and didn’t really mean it. But that isn’t true. At the time when it happens you do mean it. You think there’s no other way of saving yourself and you’re quite ready to save yourself that way. You want it to happen to the other person. You don’t give a damn what they suffer. All you care about is yourself.”
“All you care about is yourself,” he echoed.
“And after that, you don’t feel the same toward the other person any longer.”
“No,” he said, “you don’t feel the same.”Do you think the ministry of love could crack you?
April 23, 2013 at 2:20 pm #1272123It doesn’t exist. I do.
If you mean are there examples of peoples who have been resistant to state sponsored torture and brainwashing, the answer is yes. You can read their books and find them. 🙂
April 23, 2013 at 2:28 pm #1272118It’s from the book nineteen eighty-four. It’s fiction.. Thing is it’s an interesting concept and could it crack you, some torture methods are unimaginabe in my mind and i do not know how i would react.
April 23, 2013 at 5:16 pm #1272126Was that the one with the rat in a cage strapped to the guys head so if they opened the little gate the rat would eat it’s way to freedom through the guys face ???
April 23, 2013 at 5:24 pm #1272134@Mezz 542241 wrote:
Was that the one with the rat in a cage strapped to the guys head so if they opened the little gate the rat would eat it’s way to freedom through the guys face ???
Yeah it is haha. The worst thing is different for everyone though, the room will always deliver your worst fear
April 23, 2013 at 5:29 pm #1272132So is it like the saw movies/?
April 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm #1272135@korno 542247 wrote:
So is it like the saw movies/?
No, you are basically trapped in a room with your worst fear and tortured with it.. it could be anything from massive spiders to voldermort lol
April 23, 2013 at 5:46 pm #1272133I aint got a worst fear! What if you aint got one?
Unless there is one buried very deep in my subconscious somewhere…April 23, 2013 at 5:48 pm #1272124@korno 542251 wrote:
I aint got a worst fear! What if you aint got one?
Unless there is one buried very deep in my subconscious somewhere…“Fear is the mindkiller.” Although being faced with one like drowning via waterboarding might change your mind… then again, it might not.
April 23, 2013 at 6:35 pm #1272127An empty room with four speakers reading me the twilight series front to back 😮
April 23, 2013 at 6:37 pm #1272121Not easy to say due to cognitive biases that prevent you from accurately determining how you’ll feel due to a future event.
That said it’s probably best to avoid getting caught, lest I face an army of killer clowns.
April 23, 2013 at 6:39 pm #1272128Barrettones would be ‘your credit card is declined’
oi oi oi !
April 23, 2013 at 6:46 pm #1272122Oy vey.
April 23, 2013 at 8:53 pm #1272117i read the summary and thought this was one of your chatup posts p0ly …
April 24, 2013 at 2:26 pm #1272129Just your standard room without access to any drugs. I’d crack within a few hours.
Or having to roll a joint with thumb screws on, that would be a bloody nuisance
April 24, 2013 at 2:34 pm #1272119Such is the purported omniscience of the state in the society of Nineteen Eighty-Four that even a citizen’s nightmares are known to the Party. The nightmare, and therefore the threatened punishment, of the protagonist Winston Smith is to be attacked by rats. Smith saves himself by begging the authorities to let his lover, Julia, have her face gnawed by the ferocious rodents instead. The torture, and what Winston does to escape it, breaks his last promise to himself and to Julia: never to betray her emotionally. The book suggests that Julia is likewise subjected to her own worst fear, and when she and Winston later meet in a park, he notices a scar on her forehead. The original intent of threatening Winston with the rats was not necessarily to go through with the act, but to force him into betraying the only person he loved and therefore break his spirit.
room 101 is about breaking your spirit so you fall back into loving Big Brother… is there a weak part in your brain where you can be cracked and let go of any feelings for your loved ones due to your most intense fear? Also the totalitarian state of INGSOC watch you 24/7 so they know what you’re afraid of.
April 24, 2013 at 2:40 pm #1272130Considering my mouth is bigger than that of a rat should I find myself with one strapped to my face surely you’d bite the fuckers face off rather than let it gnaw on your own.
April 24, 2013 at 2:50 pm #1272120@The Psyentist 542414 wrote:
Considering my mouth is bigger than that of a rat should I find myself with one strapped to my face surely you’d bite the fuckers face off rather than let it gnaw on your own.
Well yeah but the fact is rats gnawing it his face was too much to let it happen. O’brien (the guy talking to him) knows his deep rooted fear of rats (read the book or watch the film if you’re interested) and the rats were NEVER needed to actually be let loose on his face. It was a tactic to shit him up so much he denounces his feelings and love for Julia which is forbidden in the totalitarian state.
I just find it interesting, because I bet there’s something pretty much everyone will crack under due to fear. Fear is the most crippling emotion there is…. that’s why religion is so damn popular IMO, believe or burn… burn forever til the end of time which never ends
April 24, 2013 at 3:18 pm #1272131@p0ly 542415 wrote:
Well yeah but the fact is rats gnawing it his face was too much to let it happen. O’brien (the guy talking to him) knows his deep rooted fear of rats (read the book or watch the film if you’re interested) and the rats were NEVER needed to actually be let loose on his face. It was a tactic to shit him up so much he denounces his feelings and love for Julia which is forbidden in the totalitarian state.
I just find it interesting, because I bet there’s something pretty much everyone will crack under due to fear. Fear is the most crippling emotion there is…. that’s why religion is so damn popular IMO, believe or burn… burn forever til the end of time which never ends
Hmm a close call really. Fear indeed is a powerful emotion but placing love at the other end of the spectrum (although they’re not opposites), which is stronger.
I’m not claiming that I can but fear can be honed and manipulated can it not? With training and intense meditation I think you could train yourself to be impervious to fear. Can the same be said for love?
April 24, 2013 at 3:26 pm #1272125@The Psyentist 542424 wrote:
Can the same be said for love?
Certainly it can be limited and directed, distorted. There are plenty of models and schemes where only “love objects” actually get attention and people aren’t worth bothering with.
There are also historical examples (non-fiction) of organisations built for control and the corruption of free will into obedience. The most extreme example I can think of is the Hitler Youth.
However, I think it partly depends on how you define “love”. If love is unconditional acceptance, then it seems obvious to me that everyone has to find acceptance at some level or be a complete pariah from every part of society. Then again, societies are shaped by having “role models”, “leaders”, “deviants to be punished”.
I don’t think you could remove the acceptance value without just getting a zombie drone rather than a human being. When a state disregards it’s own supports as irrelevent, then the state is in big trouble indeed.
April 30, 2013 at 10:25 pm #1272116@p0ly 542413 wrote:
is there a weak part in your brain where you can be cracked and let go of any feelings for your loved ones due to your most intense fear?
I can quite honestly say, no there isn’t, when it comes to my children.
So I guess that mean that my biggest fear is the suffering of my children… I guess that would create an interesting paradox for BB.
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