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  • #1040687
    Ruff Beat Provider
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    Just wondering what risks the rig owners/organises of free put themeselves in!?
    Also can you get in trouble for DJing at a free party you had nothing to do with the organising of?

    #1100825
    BioTech
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    Ruff Beat Provider wrote:
    Just wondering what risks the rig owners/organises of free put themeselves in!?
    Also can you get in trouble for DJing at a free party you had nothing to do with the organising of?

    Risks:-

    1: Losing lots of expensive kit
    2: Asbo
    3: Fine of up to £20,000
    4: Prison sentence of up to 6 months
    5: Losing job, and have life made difficult for getting a job
    6: Pressure from local community if named and shamed in the papers
    7: Stress on personal relationships if things do go wrong
    8: House search

    Yes dj’s can be classed as performers and are also breaching the PEL if no license is in place for the event. They can risk the same as above but it’s less likely. However, it is likely that records may get confiscated.

    #1100830
    Ruff Beat Provider
    Participant

    Whats the likelyhood of the above happerning?
    People must get away with it most of the time or there wouldn’t be any partys out there!

    #1100826
    BioTech
    Participant

    If these 4 things happen:

    Locations are chosen wisely, so zero (or the bare minimum) people are aggravated.

    The party is respectful and police are dealt with in a decent (but cautious and wary) manner if they turn up and if necessary come to an arrangement like “pack up at lunchtime the next day”

    A certain degree of organisation and accident prevention methods are in place.

    Make sure the party doesn’t turn in to a MASSIVE multi-rigger or have thousands of people turn uP

    …then it is much less likely you will get in to much trouble. It’s sometimes still a case of the current climate though. For instance, if a county has been done to death week in week out with crews generating many complaints and confrontations arising then the old bill might just come down on anyone hard or use sly tactics to get results. Such as telling a party it’s ok to carry on as long as they pack up at a certain time, and then when they comply the seize the vans at the exit etc.

    #1100835
    Sandals
    Participant

    Talking about the likelyhood’s of things happening i think another aspect is the way the people attending the party act too. For instance if you vandalise everything in sight, make un-necessary noise so as to disturb residential areas and poke fun at the police by throwing objects and insults .. Then they are more likely to take action and impose things such as what BioTech listed
    It winds me up a treat when party goers disrespect their surroundings and other people – police or not.

    #1100837
    Digital-A
    Participant

    ive been to parties where the surrounding area has been trashed and to be honest its normally only a small handful so whoever you are and whenever you can the next day try and help clear up, not necessarily help with the rigs equipment, but the litter that every party brings,

    keep the party scene tidy 🙂

    digital-a

    o and ive played parties that have been busted (not necessarily shut down) before when its happened the organiser needs to speak with the police ive never really had an input even when im actually on the decks and the police have only come up to me to say turn it down or off for a sec but are normally very nice about it.

    #1100829
    Meltown
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    Dj’s can get done as well, as rig owners can just wander away from the rig while its going an if things turn nasty they jus look like everyone else, the dj looks like the main suspect, there were a few dj’s that got asbo’s last year, if the rig owners dnt mind losing there equipment they can usually get away scott free (minus a few £100’s worth of amps & speakers)

    #1100822
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    Meltown wrote:
    if the rig owners dnt mind losing there equipment they can usually get away scott free (minus a few £100’s worth of amps & speakers)

    it might look like that but I very much doubt the cops are going to just let the incident go, even if they don’t get people immediately they will keep on with the investigations..if cops have bothered to turn up with enough force and resources to seize a rig there has clearly been enough “crime” committed for them to want to bring people to account for the event

    they aren’t daft, they are going to think “now how come a bunch of mostly 18-30 something young lads can afford to just abandon a few grands worth of audio equipment?”

    Plus they are still going by the mindset that raves are put on by organised criminal groups as a money making exercise, it is more likely they are going to suspect that if the crews can accept such a financial loss, they have “other sources of income” (i.e drug dealing or other forms of crime such as burglary/car theft and resale) rather than being just a bunch of youths wanting to have a bit of fun…

    It is more likely to result in detectives going through the video footage they shoot at raves even more closely, checking the records of every vehicle that was present and who might be driving it and who is associating with whom.

    cops already think free parties have links with local “firms” and the more criminal element of the traveller community anyway

    Just because people don’t get nicked straight away doesn’t mean that doors aren’t being stoved in at 6am months later when everyone has forgotten about the party…

    #1100823
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    Sandals wrote:
    Talking about the likelyhood’s of things happening i think another aspect is the way the people attending the party act too. For instance if you vandalise everything in sight, make un-necessary noise so as to disturb residential areas and poke fun at the police by throwing objects and insults .. Then they are more likely to take action and impose things such as what BioTech listed
    It winds me up a treat when party goers disrespect their surroundings and other people – police or not.

    and if people are a bit considerate it can count in their favour

    A few years ago there was a party in an old council owned building where the janitor turned up just as as everyone was clearing up… it was a bit trashed but that was more because local kids had already been in there and now everyone was picking up the rubbish..

    he wasn’t sure quite what to expect, he looked at some people carrying out binbags and scratched his head as the bags belonged to a diffrent council area many miles away

    so he went in and spoke to the organisers… and came out smiling and laughing, saying “you lot actually have left this place cleaner than when I left it a few months ago”…

    then the cops arrived, and the janitor bloke spoke to them and sent them away (he was satisfied no crime had been committed) and then went off himself and left everyone to go home in peace..

    #1100831
    Ruff Beat Provider
    Participant

    Would you say it Is advisable to speak to police if they turn up then! i think i’d just be worried that as soon as the organiser spoke to them they’d be like “so you organised this party then?” and then you’ve put yourself in it!

    #1100824
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    Ruff Beat Provider wrote:
    Would you say it Is advisable to speak to police if they turn up then! i think i’d just be worried that as soon as the organiser spoke to them they’d be like “so you organised this party then?” and then you’ve put yourself in it!

    if the cops start approaching the rig then someone has to speak to them – you do need someone who is calm, well spoken and not known to the Police for doing any other sort of crime, particularly stuff like twoccing or fighting…

    you even don’t need to directly admit to organising the party, just say that you know some of the people will have a word and try and get the music turned down/negotiate a shut down time

    most of the time the cops can’t actually be fucked with doing all that paperwork and calling for backup unless people really have taken the piss and caused problems to the wider neighbourhood.. even if they nick people they need to justify why they have done so and a rave that isn’t causing other problems isn’t actually anti-social!

    I know lots of people who have spoken to them and not got arrested or had any sort of hassle.

    OTOH if someone sensible from a crew doesn’t speak to them its possible that idiots will take matters into their own hands and throw bottles/cans – at this point the cops can declare whats called a “code 00” incident (cops being attacked) and use whatever force they feel is necessary to close down the event

    #1100827
    BioTech
    Participant
    General Lighting wrote:
    OTOH if someone sensible from a crew doesn’t speak to them its possible that idiots will take matters into their own hands and throw bottles/cans – at this point the cops can declare whats called a “code 00” incident (cops being attacked) and use whatever force they feel is necessary to close down the event

    Exactly. Always a good idea to approach them as soon as they turn up and it can also be wise to make sure you talk to them always from the bulk of people for the very reason GL states. Most people at parties are safe as houses but there will always be a minority that could mess it up for others.

    #1100833
    starlaugh
    Participant
    BioTech wrote:
    Exactly. Always a good idea to approach them as soon as they turn up and it can also be wise to make sure you talk to them always from the bulk of people for the very reason GL states. Most people at parties are safe as houses but there will always be a minority that could mess it up for others.

    Yeah out on Saturday i met up with a local lad to me me who was very proud of the fact that last time (his actual first time) at a free party, that he threw bottles at the police when they appeared to shut it down.

    The party was mentioned on here a few times and videos shown of it getting shut down.

    He was also saying he hoped to see the police as he wanted to repeat himself to them….. :you_crazy

    No need at all…. a little politeness and respect can get you a long way :groucho:

    #1100828
    Raj
    Participant

    I would make sure he never found out about one of my parties again :you_crazy The last thing we need in the current climate is idiots winding coppers up for fun :you_crazy:you_crazy

    💡 Why dont they just go and walk into a police station and try bottling the police?

    #1100834
    starlaugh
    Participant
    Raj wrote:
    I would make sure he never found out about one of my parties again :you_crazy The last thing we need in the current climate is idiots winding coppers up for fun :you_crazy:you_crazy

    💡 Why dont they just go and walk into a police station and try bottling the police?

    Exactly!

    Unfortunatly its idiots like that that get me and my mates tarnished with the same brush, just because he lives near us! 😥

    #1100836
    Sandals
    Participant
    starlaugh wrote:
    Yeah out on Saturday i met up with a local lad to me me who was very proud of the fact that last time (his actual first time) at a free party, that he threw bottles at the police when they appeared to shut it down.

    The party was mentioned on here a few times and videos shown of it getting shut down.

    He was also saying he hoped to see the police as he wanted to repeat himself to them….. :you_crazy

    No need at all…. a little politeness and respect can get you a long way :groucho:

    That fucking well pissed me off!

    My mate got battered cas he was in wrong place at wrong time .. and i saw an innocent girl get hit with a sheild ..

    All because pricks where throwing things and it got the cops riled!!

    people will justify it and say “yea but the police pepper sprayed ppl first” .. so fucking what .. dont escalate the situation, you are never going to win!

    #1100832
    Ruff Beat Provider
    Participant
    Sandals wrote:
    That fucking well pissed me off!

    My mate got battered cas he was in wrong place at wrong time .. and i saw an innocent girl get hit with a sheild ..

    All because pricks where throwing things and it got the cops riled!!

    people will justify it and say “yea but the police pepper sprayed ppl first” .. so fucking what .. dont escalate the situation, you are never going to win!

    Aint it just!!

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