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  • #1126591
    Raj
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      boothy wrote:
      see people can talk about responsible drug use all they like

      but how many people have never used a form of drug for escape?

      How many use the legal ones for it and due to the lack of a consistent across the board policy for all of them are abusing the legal ones thinking they are ‘safer’ than the illegal ones?

      The rank hypocrisy in the classification of some drugs for political gain or national profit isnt helping the attempts to communicate drug responsibility.

      I dont agree that parties were necessarily better backin the day – they were just a long time ago and our rose tinted memories may have erased some of the negative aspects while keeping they good memories which is a human thing we all do 😉

      #1147549
      Raj
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        boothy wrote:
        see people can talk about responsible drug use all they like

        but how many people have never used a form of drug for escape?

        How many use the legal ones for it and due to the lack of a consistent across the board policy for all of them are abusing the legal ones thinking they are ‘safer’ than the illegal ones?

        The rank hypocrisy in the classification of some drugs for political gain or national profit isnt helping the attempts to communicate drug responsibility.

        I dont agree that parties were necessarily better backin the day – they were just a long time ago and our rose tinted memories may have erased some of the negative aspects while keeping they good memories which is a human thing we all do 😉

        #1126579
        General Lighting
        Moderator

          welcome to partyvibe stomper16….

          stomper16 wrote:
          its time the party machine makes an effort to avoid upsetting farmers or local people.they could communicate with police at parties and set up a phone link.. if a problem occours with people being disturbed by noise or anything else then that information could be passed on to the rig who would be able to sort it.

          If you look at the knock on effect of such an action it is amazing. Ob gets a complaint, in a few minutes the problem is sorted. The person who was disturbed goes back to sleep confident that everything is under control and safe. Everyone is a winner, the rig gets to go home on sunday and all because a little give and take…

          exactly – this is something many crews do or did as a matter of routine, but in more recent times things have unfortunately got more confrontational in some areas…

          incidentally there wasn’t a time when it was “ravers paradise” in the early 1990s. Its just that it was a new phenomenon then. The late 90s and early 21st century were good merely because we had the march over the authorities with regard to communications and social networking and got away with far more than today.

          The bigger problems affecting the rave scene are very recent and as much to do with peoples increasing selfishness as the pressure from outside forces. Ketamine doesn’t help, and you have to ask yourself why it is so popular today when it was available all through the 1990s with less risk to dealers, yet no one wanted it as much.

          it does also appear that people dumbing themselves down and letting their organisational skills slip whilst at the same time the cops are getting smarter (there are also a fair few old skool ravers now in a uniform!)

          But even the youngest on here would have been only just leaving middle school when these problems started making an impact on the party scene. its probably not too late to make things better, but it may mean a return to the smaller and less blatant events where people can trust one another (it is perhaps these that the “older” ravers look back to!)

          #1147536
          General Lighting
          Moderator

            welcome to partyvibe stomper16….

            stomper16 wrote:
            its time the party machine makes an effort to avoid upsetting farmers or local people.they could communicate with police at parties and set up a phone link.. if a problem occours with people being disturbed by noise or anything else then that information could be passed on to the rig who would be able to sort it.

            If you look at the knock on effect of such an action it is amazing. Ob gets a complaint, in a few minutes the problem is sorted. The person who was disturbed goes back to sleep confident that everything is under control and safe. Everyone is a winner, the rig gets to go home on sunday and all because a little give and take…

            exactly – this is something many crews do or did as a matter of routine, but in more recent times things have unfortunately got more confrontational in some areas…

            incidentally there wasn’t a time when it was “ravers paradise” in the early 1990s. Its just that it was a new phenomenon then. The late 90s and early 21st century were good merely because we had the march over the authorities with regard to communications and social networking and got away with far more than today.

            The bigger problems affecting the rave scene are very recent and as much to do with peoples increasing selfishness as the pressure from outside forces. Ketamine doesn’t help, and you have to ask yourself why it is so popular today when it was available all through the 1990s with less risk to dealers, yet no one wanted it as much.

            it does also appear that people dumbing themselves down and letting their organisational skills slip whilst at the same time the cops are getting smarter (there are also a fair few old skool ravers now in a uniform!)

            But even the youngest on here would have been only just leaving middle school when these problems started making an impact on the party scene. its probably not too late to make things better, but it may mean a return to the smaller and less blatant events where people can trust one another (it is perhaps these that the “older” ravers look back to!)

            #1126601
            starlaugh
            Participant

              Might be a simple answer but:……..:

              Is this just not like saying cartoons were better back in the day etc? Things change, doesn’t mean its better or worse……………….

              The scene is not dying it will just evolve….

              #1147558
              starlaugh
              Participant

                Might be a simple answer but:……..:

                Is this just not like saying cartoons were better back in the day etc? Things change, doesn’t mean its better or worse……………….

                The scene is not dying it will just evolve….

                #1126580
                General Lighting
                Moderator
                  starlaugh wrote:
                  The scene is not dying it will just evolve….

                  I think it will just go back to the smaller parties where there are 150-200 people who are genuine friends rather than 1000+ people many of whom just don’t want to pay to get into a venue.

                  ironically this is what the better early 90s raves were like!

                  #1147537
                  General Lighting
                  Moderator
                    starlaugh wrote:
                    The scene is not dying it will just evolve….

                    I think it will just go back to the smaller parties where there are 150-200 people who are genuine friends rather than 1000+ people many of whom just don’t want to pay to get into a venue.

                    ironically this is what the better early 90s raves were like!

                    #1126595
                    MisterDuck
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                      Raj wrote:
                      How many use the legal ones for it and due to the lack of a consistent across the board policy for all of them are abusing the legal ones thinking they are ‘safer’ than the illegal ones?

                      The rank hypocrisy in the classification of some drugs for political gain or national profit isnt helping the attempts to communicate drug responsibility.

                      I dont agree that parties were necessarily better backin the day – they were just a long time ago and our rose tinted memories may have erased some of the negative aspects while keeping they good memories which is a human thing we all do 😉

                      yeah mate i was incudin alcohol/other legal drugs with my statement, sorry shoulda specified.

                      and yeah, in terms of classification – read this:
                      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5230006.stm

                      _41949092_drugs_graph_416.gif

                      #1147553
                      MisterDuck
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                        Raj wrote:
                        How many use the legal ones for it and due to the lack of a consistent across the board policy for all of them are abusing the legal ones thinking they are ‘safer’ than the illegal ones?

                        The rank hypocrisy in the classification of some drugs for political gain or national profit isnt helping the attempts to communicate drug responsibility.

                        I dont agree that parties were necessarily better backin the day – they were just a long time ago and our rose tinted memories may have erased some of the negative aspects while keeping they good memories which is a human thing we all do 😉

                        yeah mate i was incudin alcohol/other legal drugs with my statement, sorry shoulda specified.

                        and yeah, in terms of classification – read this:
                        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5230006.stm

                        _41949092_drugs_graph_416.gif

                        #1126586
                        globalloon
                        Participant

                          _41949092_drugs_graph_416.gif

                          thread highjack alert

                          that chart is proper nonsense

                          heroin has little potential for harm as long as a clean supply is available and the user knows how to administer it safely

                          solvents on the other hand have a significant risk of death, as does GHB. alcohol damages almost every organ in your body, including the brain, even at low doses.

                          #1147543
                          globalloon
                          Participant

                            _41949092_drugs_graph_416.gif

                            thread highjack alert

                            that chart is proper nonsense

                            heroin has little potential for harm as long as a clean supply is available and the user knows how to administer it safely

                            solvents on the other hand have a significant risk of death, as does GHB. alcohol damages almost every organ in your body, including the brain, even at low doses.

                            #1126596
                            MisterDuck
                            Participant

                              maybe

                              but surely government research suggestin ecstasy at 25th, acid at 21st etc. whereas alcohol at 5th is still a sign that they are at least re-thinkin

                              plus

                              “an accurate and up to date classification system” was to “remove the link with penalties and just focus on harm”, adding that this meant social consequences as well as harm to the user.”

                              so its not just harm

                              #1147554
                              MisterDuck
                              Participant

                                maybe

                                but surely government research suggestin ecstasy at 25th, acid at 21st etc. whereas alcohol at 5th is still a sign that they are at least re-thinkin

                                plus

                                “an accurate and up to date classification system” was to “remove the link with penalties and just focus on harm”, adding that this meant social consequences as well as harm to the user.”

                                so its not just harm

                                #1126604
                                welly
                                Participant

                                  Everyone tends to look back at past parties with slightly rose coloured glasses. The first free festi i went to was brilliant but i was 16 and i had no expectations. Now i’d view it as a shambles running out of diesel at 11ish and then a bunch of fucked hippies trying to sort it out so no music for about 6 hours.
                                  The sound quality and organisation of parties is so much tighter these days. In the early 90’s things were alot less harsh in terms of police but then things were smaller, it is a myth about huge parties most very only 200 people. The few that get mentioned were because they were huge and not the run of normal things, Castle morten and some tek’s on beaches.
                                  The big difference is police being muched more clued up and they are especialy sussed if you try anything that is linked to political/ green issues. But hopefully all this will lead to people going out just as much and them looking back and again moaning how things aren’t as good, drugs aren’t as strong etc.
                                  But on a seperate note the magic of seeing the sun come up while standing in a field with a bunch of mates listening to a big tune for the first can’t be beaten and is beautifuly addictive.

                                  #1147561
                                  welly
                                  Participant

                                    Everyone tends to look back at past parties with slightly rose coloured glasses. The first free festi i went to was brilliant but i was 16 and i had no expectations. Now i’d view it as a shambles running out of diesel at 11ish and then a bunch of fucked hippies trying to sort it out so no music for about 6 hours.
                                    The sound quality and organisation of parties is so much tighter these days. In the early 90’s things were alot less harsh in terms of police but then things were smaller, it is a myth about huge parties most very only 200 people. The few that get mentioned were because they were huge and not the run of normal things, Castle morten and some tek’s on beaches.
                                    The big difference is police being muched more clued up and they are especialy sussed if you try anything that is linked to political/ green issues. But hopefully all this will lead to people going out just as much and them looking back and again moaning how things aren’t as good, drugs aren’t as strong etc.
                                    But on a seperate note the magic of seeing the sun come up while standing in a field with a bunch of mates listening to a big tune for the first can’t be beaten and is beautifuly addictive.

                                    #1126590
                                    2old4this
                                    Participant
                                      welly wrote:
                                      The first free festi i went to was brilliant but i was 16 and i had no expectations. Now i’d view it as a shambles running out of diesel at 11ish and then a bunch of fucked hippies trying to sort it out so no music for about 6 hours.

                                      Haha LMAO – Oh Yesss – I remember it well!! :laugh_at::group_hug:love::crazy_diz:crazy_dru
                                      You are right about the rose-tinted specs (plurry specs!) – I still wear mine of course.
                                      We suffered hours, nay, DAYS, of no music, all those years ago, so that future generations could party in the future! We trudged miles trying to find parties, and went without water for days, as there weren’t the health and safety rules back then.

                                      I would do it all over again, still do as often as i can, but my kids don’t let me out as much now that they are taller than me lol grrrr . . . .:cry:

                                      For i am ‘Ardcore dontcha know 😉

                                      #1147548
                                      2old4this
                                      Participant
                                        welly wrote:
                                        The first free festi i went to was brilliant but i was 16 and i had no expectations. Now i’d view it as a shambles running out of diesel at 11ish and then a bunch of fucked hippies trying to sort it out so no music for about 6 hours.

                                        Haha LMAO – Oh Yesss – I remember it well!! :laugh_at::group_hug:love::crazy_diz:crazy_dru
                                        You are right about the rose-tinted specs (plurry specs!) – I still wear mine of course.
                                        We suffered hours, nay, DAYS, of no music, all those years ago, so that future generations could party in the future! We trudged miles trying to find parties, and went without water for days, as there weren’t the health and safety rules back then.

                                        I would do it all over again, still do as often as i can, but my kids don’t let me out as much now that they are taller than me lol grrrr . . . .:cry:

                                        For i am ‘Ardcore dontcha know 😉

                                        #1126587
                                        globalloon
                                        Participant
                                          welly wrote:
                                          Everyone tends to look back at past parties with slightly rose coloured glasses. The first free festi i went to was brilliant but i was 16 and i had no expectations. Now i’d view it as a shambles running out of diesel at 11ish and then a bunch of fucked hippies trying to sort it out so no music for about 6 hours.

                                          if you think that was bad at a free festival, think of this at a pay festival… glasto ~ 82 or 3

                                          toilets were a huge trench, 20 foot deep, with boards over them. as the weekend went on, the boards fell in the trenches and as the sun went down, so did a few toilet visitors :sick:

                                          “if you need the toilet in the night, find a hedge,” was my lullaby

                                          #1147544
                                          globalloon
                                          Participant
                                            welly wrote:
                                            Everyone tends to look back at past parties with slightly rose coloured glasses. The first free festi i went to was brilliant but i was 16 and i had no expectations. Now i’d view it as a shambles running out of diesel at 11ish and then a bunch of fucked hippies trying to sort it out so no music for about 6 hours.

                                            if you think that was bad at a free festival, think of this at a pay festival… glasto ~ 82 or 3

                                            toilets were a huge trench, 20 foot deep, with boards over them. as the weekend went on, the boards fell in the trenches and as the sun went down, so did a few toilet visitors :sick:

                                            “if you need the toilet in the night, find a hedge,” was my lullaby

                                            #1126613
                                            pillthrill
                                            Participant

                                              Ok, yup I established I am lame. I have never been to a rave. lol

                                              #1147570
                                              pillthrill
                                              Participant

                                                Ok, yup I established I am lame. I have never been to a rave. lol

                                                #1126612
                                                GiantMidget
                                                Participant

                                                  Ain’t ya? Come to the UK and experience a few!!!:love:

                                                  #1147569
                                                  GiantMidget
                                                  Participant

                                                    Ain’t ya? Come to the UK and experience a few!!!:love:

                                                    #1126608
                                                    Bogey
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                                                      theres still good parties goin on , maybe less people but just as much atmosphere . the August bank holiday party under the North circular was an excellent reminder that the spirit of rave is still alive and KICKING !:bounce_g: :bounce_g: :bounce_g: :bounce_g: :bounce_g: :group_hug soon be spring !

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