Forums Music Speaker Plans Plans for my PERSONAL rig, any thoughs?

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  • #1121005
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    cheeseweasel
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    Looks like someone beat me to it!

    #1141775
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    cheeseweasel
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    Looks like someone beat me to it!

    #1121001
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    Anonymous

    a pink one

    #1141771
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    Anonymous

    a pink one

    #1121002
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    *Β¬* wrote:
    a pink one

    .. like this one. THING_Oshiro_pinkmarshallstack-300.jpg

    but with more of them, obviously

    #1141772
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    *Β¬* wrote:
    a pink one

    .. like this one. THING_Oshiro_pinkmarshallstack-300.jpg

    but with more of them, obviously

    #1121007
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    Ruff Beat Provider
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    Turbosound! Wump Wump! Just bought some you know there phat!

    #1141777
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    Ruff Beat Provider
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    Turbosound! Wump Wump! Just bought some you know there phat!

    #1120996
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    suffolkravas
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    yeh good idea, lemme make some …. better plans then repost, thanks for all the info guys! will find out the amount of power i got as well soon, any reccomendations what amps i should use within the $600 range to power the speakers? hold on, lemme make a list then any more feedback is appriciated!

    #1141766
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    suffolkravas
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    yeh good idea, lemme make some …. better plans then repost, thanks for all the info guys! will find out the amount of power i got as well soon, any reccomendations what amps i should use within the $600 range to power the speakers? hold on, lemme make a list then any more feedback is appriciated!

    #1120997
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    suffolkravas
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    mmk i thought about it a bit, and the conclusion i came to was this, but im not sure about the last bit:

    3 of these badboys http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD215-2×15-Subwoofer?sku=606044X

    powered by 2 of these badboys http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-Xs900-Power-Amp?sku=481581

    3 of these badboys http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD151-15-2Way-PA-Speaker?sku=606041

    powered by one of these badboys http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-XLS-602D-Power-Amplifier?sku=481586

    the flaw:

    as im having 3 of each, i was wondering if it would be possible to hook 1 of each type of speaker up to one of the crown-Xs900’s. that way id have 2 TXD 215’s hooked up to one crown-Xs900, 1 TXD 215 and 1 TXD 151 hooked up to another crown-Xs900, and 2 TXD 151’s hooked up to a Crown-XLS-602D. would that be possible? and also, are these good amps to run turbosound with?

    i feckin love the wumfs turbosound give off but like i said i dont know too much about the tech πŸ™

    lets :laugh_at: at SR the dj :crazy_diz

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    mmk i thought about it a bit, and the conclusion i came to was this, but im not sure about the last bit:

    3 of these badboys http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD215-2×15-Subwoofer?sku=606044X

    powered by 2 of these badboys http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-Xs900-Power-Amp?sku=481581

    3 of these badboys http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD151-15-2Way-PA-Speaker?sku=606041

    powered by one of these badboys http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-XLS-602D-Power-Amplifier?sku=481586

    the flaw:

    as im having 3 of each, i was wondering if it would be possible to hook 1 of each type of speaker up to one of the crown-Xs900’s. that way id have 2 TXD 215’s hooked up to one crown-Xs900, 1 TXD 215 and 1 TXD 151 hooked up to another crown-Xs900, and 2 TXD 151’s hooked up to a Crown-XLS-602D. would that be possible? and also, are these good amps to run turbosound with?

    i feckin love the wumfs turbosound give off but like i said i dont know too much about the tech πŸ™

    lets :laugh_at: at SR the dj :crazy_diz

    #1120998
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    suffolkravas
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    Dan Ooops! wrote:
    BTW – which part of US you gonna be raving?

    D

    im currently residing in LA mate, will be throwin some fat parties around the angeles crest and san bernardino mountains areas, mountains parties are great and cops cant drive there! though all the partiers will hafta hike about 2 miles to get to the location, should be about a 30 minute walk, but will be worth it!! :bounce_fl raaa

    #1141768
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    suffolkravas
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    Dan Ooops! wrote:
    BTW – which part of US you gonna be raving?

    D

    im currently residing in LA mate, will be throwin some fat parties around the angeles crest and san bernardino mountains areas, mountains parties are great and cops cant drive there! though all the partiers will hafta hike about 2 miles to get to the location, should be about a 30 minute walk, but will be worth it!! :bounce_fl raaa

    #1121006
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    The amps are still nowhere near powerful enough. Although an amp might be rated at 840W/Ch it depends upon the impedance of the speaker ur driving with it. Notice in the description for the 602D it says 840W@2 ohms. Your speakers are 8 ohm speakers, and it says in the item description that at 8 ohms the power output is only 380W/Ch – you need at least 600W/Ch @ 8 ohms, preferably more.

    As for hooking up a sub and a full-range cab to the same amp, you really don’t want to do this. It would give you no control over the balance, and you would be sending HF to the sub, and bass to the full-range cabs.

    And 3 is a bit of a strange number to choose as most amps have 2 channels, I’d go for an even number.

    #1141776
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    cheeseweasel
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    The amps are still nowhere near powerful enough. Although an amp might be rated at 840W/Ch it depends upon the impedance of the speaker ur driving with it. Notice in the description for the 602D it says 840W@2 ohms. Your speakers are 8 ohm speakers, and it says in the item description that at 8 ohms the power output is only 380W/Ch – you need at least 600W/Ch @ 8 ohms, preferably more.

    As for hooking up a sub and a full-range cab to the same amp, you really don’t want to do this. It would give you no control over the balance, and you would be sending HF to the sub, and bass to the full-range cabs.

    And 3 is a bit of a strange number to choose as most amps have 2 channels, I’d go for an even number.

    #1121011
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    amss
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    ok here is my 2 cents,

    buy two 0f these http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD121-12-2Way-PA-Speaker?sku=606040

    power it with one of these http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-XTI-4000-Power-Amplifier?sku=481590V

    This amp is good for a number of reasons, it means you dont need a crossover as it has a dsp built in, light weight and stupidly cheap (50% of what it is in the uk). It also mean if you want to buy another set of tops at a later date it can easily power them with enough headroom.

    buy 2 of these

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD215-2×15-Subwoofer?sku=606044

    Powered by one of these

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-XTI-2000-Power-Amplifier?sku=481589

    That comes in at just over $4000, in reality you will also need a flightcase for the amps ($89) and some decent speaker cable ($90).

    When time/funds allow maybe you could add another 2 of the same bass bins and amp and set of tops.

    I have had experience with these bass bins in a local club, they have been using 2 txd 215’s for a 600 capacity venue and breaking them every other week. However this is only due to the fact that the dj redlines a shit mixer that is then fed into an amp that is not got enough headroom in it. If they added more subs, say another 2, then they wouldnt have to be ragged as hard to get the required spl and wouldnt blow all the time. On the upside they do sound nice when they are working.

    You could also go down the route of getting some speakers built by someone from here:

    http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/Builders.html

    … the plans from that site are good and will offer the same if not better performance than the turbosound cabs. They are not brand name speakers so they cost less but you get better performance which is a win win situation.

    As someone previously said read as much as you can before spending your cash on this stuff, learn about different types of speakers, how the specifications differ, how to set it all up (this is more hands on but you can get the idea of crossovers like the berhinger ultradrive and how they work) how everything plugs in, power requirements etc. Once you know a bit about it and what it all involves decide what you want to do e.g. cater for x amount of people, so i need x amount of these speakers and x amount of amps to power them and work towards that goal. I myself have wasted money changing my plans on what i want to achieve.

    Anyone can plug a speaker into an amp, but they will end up with a pile of crap (some mobile djs spring to mind). If you are going to get the simplest of rigs together it takes a lot of thought to do it properly but if you get it right it will sound spot on and serve you well for many parties to come.

    Hope this hels, more of an essay than 2 cents :yakk:

    #1141782
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    amss
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    ok here is my 2 cents,

    buy two 0f these http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD121-12-2Way-PA-Speaker?sku=606040

    power it with one of these http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-XTI-4000-Power-Amplifier?sku=481590V

    This amp is good for a number of reasons, it means you dont need a crossover as it has a dsp built in, light weight and stupidly cheap (50% of what it is in the uk). It also mean if you want to buy another set of tops at a later date it can easily power them with enough headroom.

    buy 2 of these

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD215-2×15-Subwoofer?sku=606044

    Powered by one of these

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-XTI-2000-Power-Amplifier?sku=481589

    That comes in at just over $4000, in reality you will also need a flightcase for the amps ($89) and some decent speaker cable ($90).

    When time/funds allow maybe you could add another 2 of the same bass bins and amp and set of tops.

    I have had experience with these bass bins in a local club, they have been using 2 txd 215’s for a 600 capacity venue and breaking them every other week. However this is only due to the fact that the dj redlines a shit mixer that is then fed into an amp that is not got enough headroom in it. If they added more subs, say another 2, then they wouldnt have to be ragged as hard to get the required spl and wouldnt blow all the time. On the upside they do sound nice when they are working.

    You could also go down the route of getting some speakers built by someone from here:

    http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/Builders.html

    … the plans from that site are good and will offer the same if not better performance than the turbosound cabs. They are not brand name speakers so they cost less but you get better performance which is a win win situation.

    As someone previously said read as much as you can before spending your cash on this stuff, learn about different types of speakers, how the specifications differ, how to set it all up (this is more hands on but you can get the idea of crossovers like the berhinger ultradrive and how they work) how everything plugs in, power requirements etc. Once you know a bit about it and what it all involves decide what you want to do e.g. cater for x amount of people, so i need x amount of these speakers and x amount of amps to power them and work towards that goal. I myself have wasted money changing my plans on what i want to achieve.

    Anyone can plug a speaker into an amp, but they will end up with a pile of crap (some mobile djs spring to mind). If you are going to get the simplest of rigs together it takes a lot of thought to do it properly but if you get it right it will sound spot on and serve you well for many parties to come.

    Hope this hels, more of an essay than 2 cents :yakk:

    #1121008
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    Digital-A
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    *Β¬* wrote:
    .. like this one. THING_Oshiro_pinkmarshallstack-300.jpg

    but with more of them, obviously

    how did you get a pic of my pc speakers? πŸ™‚

    #1141778
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    Digital-A
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    *Β¬* wrote:
    .. like this one. THING_Oshiro_pinkmarshallstack-300.jpg

    but with more of them, obviously

    how did you get a pic of my pc speakers? πŸ™‚

    #1120994
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    noname
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    antimute wrote:
    ok here is my 2 cents,

    buy two 0f these http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD121-12-2Way-PA-Speaker?sku=606040

    power it with one of these http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-XTI-4000-Power-Amplifier?sku=481590V

    This amp is good for a number of reasons, it means you dont need a crossover as it has a dsp built in, light weight and stupidly cheap (50% of what it is in the uk). It also mean if you want to buy another set of tops at a later date it can easily power them with enough headroom.

    buy 2 of these

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD215-2×15-Subwoofer?sku=606044

    Powered by one of these

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-XTI-2000-Power-Amplifier?sku=481589

    That comes in at just over $4000, in reality you will also need a flightcase for the amps ($89) and some decent speaker cable ($90).

    When time/funds allow maybe you could add another 2 of the same bass bins and amp and set of tops.

    I have had experience with these bass bins in a local club, they have been using 2 txd 215’s for a 600 capacity venue and breaking them every other week. However this is only due to the fact that the dj redlines a shit mixer that is then fed into an amp that is not got enough headroom in it. If they added more subs, say another 2, then they wouldnt have to be ragged as hard to get the required spl and wouldnt blow all the time. On the upside they do sound nice when they are working.

    You could also go down the route of getting some speakers built by someone from here:

    http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/Builders.html

    … the plans from that site are good and will offer the same if not better performance than the turbosound cabs. They are not brand name speakers so they cost less but you get better performance which is a win win situation.

    As someone previously said read as much as you can before spending your cash on this stuff, learn about different types of speakers, how the specifications differ, how to set it all up (this is more hands on but you can get the idea of crossovers like the berhinger ultradrive and how they work) how everything plugs in, power requirements etc. Once you know a bit about it and what it all involves decide what you want to do e.g. cater for x amount of people, so i need x amount of these speakers and x amount of amps to power them and work towards that goal. I myself have wasted money changing my plans on what i want to achieve.

    Anyone can plug a speaker into an amp, but they will end up with a pile of crap (some mobile djs spring to mind). If you are going to get the simplest of rigs together it takes a lot of thought to do it properly but if you get it right it will sound spot on and serve you well for many parties to come.

    Hope this hels, more of an essay than 2 cents :yakk:

    Pretty much like he says (apart from the bits about the Turbosound equipment – Turbo’s are the mutts nuts IMO…:wink:).

    Haven’t come across those Crowns with built in DSP before, but they look pretty good from the specs (and all Crown amps I have ever come across/used have been superb)…

    The setup antimute describes will give you a far louder and cleaner sound (and incidentally do it at a fraction of the power cost of the more complex setups mentioned). Remember – the first rule of engineering is KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) πŸ˜‰

    The quality and loudness of a rig is based on it’s efficiency, not the amount of electrical power used to drive it….

    #1141764
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    antimute wrote:
    ok here is my 2 cents,

    buy two 0f these http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD121-12-2Way-PA-Speaker?sku=606040

    power it with one of these http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-XTI-4000-Power-Amplifier?sku=481590V

    This amp is good for a number of reasons, it means you dont need a crossover as it has a dsp built in, light weight and stupidly cheap (50% of what it is in the uk). It also mean if you want to buy another set of tops at a later date it can easily power them with enough headroom.

    buy 2 of these

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Turbosound-TXD215-2×15-Subwoofer?sku=606044

    Powered by one of these

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crown-XTI-2000-Power-Amplifier?sku=481589

    That comes in at just over $4000, in reality you will also need a flightcase for the amps ($89) and some decent speaker cable ($90).

    When time/funds allow maybe you could add another 2 of the same bass bins and amp and set of tops.

    I have had experience with these bass bins in a local club, they have been using 2 txd 215’s for a 600 capacity venue and breaking them every other week. However this is only due to the fact that the dj redlines a shit mixer that is then fed into an amp that is not got enough headroom in it. If they added more subs, say another 2, then they wouldnt have to be ragged as hard to get the required spl and wouldnt blow all the time. On the upside they do sound nice when they are working.

    You could also go down the route of getting some speakers built by someone from here:

    http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/Builders.html

    … the plans from that site are good and will offer the same if not better performance than the turbosound cabs. They are not brand name speakers so they cost less but you get better performance which is a win win situation.

    As someone previously said read as much as you can before spending your cash on this stuff, learn about different types of speakers, how the specifications differ, how to set it all up (this is more hands on but you can get the idea of crossovers like the berhinger ultradrive and how they work) how everything plugs in, power requirements etc. Once you know a bit about it and what it all involves decide what you want to do e.g. cater for x amount of people, so i need x amount of these speakers and x amount of amps to power them and work towards that goal. I myself have wasted money changing my plans on what i want to achieve.

    Anyone can plug a speaker into an amp, but they will end up with a pile of crap (some mobile djs spring to mind). If you are going to get the simplest of rigs together it takes a lot of thought to do it properly but if you get it right it will sound spot on and serve you well for many parties to come.

    Hope this hels, more of an essay than 2 cents :yakk:

    Pretty much like he says (apart from the bits about the Turbosound equipment – Turbo’s are the mutts nuts IMO…:wink:).

    Haven’t come across those Crowns with built in DSP before, but they look pretty good from the specs (and all Crown amps I have ever come across/used have been superb)…

    The setup antimute describes will give you a far louder and cleaner sound (and incidentally do it at a fraction of the power cost of the more complex setups mentioned). Remember – the first rule of engineering is KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) πŸ˜‰

    The quality and loudness of a rig is based on it’s efficiency, not the amount of electrical power used to drive it….

    #1121012
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    noname wrote:
    Pretty much like he says (apart from the bits about the Turbosound equipment – Turbo’s are the mutts nuts IMO…:wink:).

    Ill explain myself, the tdx215’s i have used are good cabs they do produce a good sound however they are setup, powered and used incorrectly so are unreliable (that would happen to any speaker from any brand). The TDX range are aimed at the very high end mobile dj/small club market, get enough of them and power them correctly (in terms of amplifer watts and mains power watts) and they will hoof it out.

    noname wrote:
    the first rule of engineering is KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) πŸ˜‰

    VERY good advice

    #1141783
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    amss
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    noname wrote:
    Pretty much like he says (apart from the bits about the Turbosound equipment – Turbo’s are the mutts nuts IMO…:wink:).

    Ill explain myself, the tdx215’s i have used are good cabs they do produce a good sound however they are setup, powered and used incorrectly so are unreliable (that would happen to any speaker from any brand). The TDX range are aimed at the very high end mobile dj/small club market, get enough of them and power them correctly (in terms of amplifer watts and mains power watts) and they will hoof it out.

    noname wrote:
    the first rule of engineering is KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) πŸ˜‰

    VERY good advice

    #1120999
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    suffolkravas
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    alright boys, thanks for the advice (i looked into it a bit more and i woulda got the shit ripped outa me if i tod my crew i was gonna buy nadys:laugh_at: ) and it looks like im going for the last provided list with the nice crown amps :love: and i dont really want my turbosound to be covered up by shitty speakers, i was just thinkin it was gonna b for my house so i wanted somethin big to stomp against…but thats what we got THE rig for i guess… got 6 other turbosound subs in the big rig so another 4 would fit in quite nicely :weee: once again, thanks for all the feedback! saved me from gettin a grilling from the crew just for the idea! :group_hug

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