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  • #1047440
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    I’m sure some of my fellow Bristolians were aware of and may have even attended, the local psy-trance party on Saturday May 2nd Bank holiday weekend. It took place in a beautiful woodland spot along the Avonmouth river and the party as with others I have attended by this local lot was a good one, with good vibes & good people. However, I was soon to be left with a rather bitter taste in the mouth when I revisited the party site two days later and was met with what I can only describe as a total shit heap!

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    Even though some attempts had been made at stuffing rubbish into bin bags the effort seemed nothing more than a gesture and the bags were just left on site anyway, rendering the whole practice pointless. As well as the numerous bin bags dumped sporadically in groups spilling out their grotty contents everywhere, the whole site was covered with beer cans, balloons & laughing gas cylinders.

    How could our responsible local party crew leave a woodland beauty spot like this? I quickly gave them the benefit of the doubt, assuming they would return in a few days to finish/start the tidy up. However three weeks later when I came back, nothing had been done. The actual party site now looked even worse as it appeared foxes or badgers had ripped apart the bags of rubbish dumped on their woodland home by idle humans, who even have the audacity to label themselves as “hippies”.

    What an absolute joke. What a sham. The hypocrisy is astounding.

    As far as I was aware the party scene particularly the psy-trance brigade promotes & celebrates a certain, ‘way of life’; apparently one of positive interaction, attitude & respect to all things. Most who gravitate towards the psy-trance community share this ethos. So is it not grossly hypocritical & undermining when a group of individuals from this community steamroll onto a woodland site, have a party & piss-off home leaving it covered in shit!?

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    If the likes of Chevron, BP, Dow Chemicals, Exxonmobil or other such organisations that people are so quick to demonise were to move into an area. Leave it in ruin. Exploiting it to pursue their own selfish interests. Everyone would be falling over themselves to point out their rather questionable ethics. So why tolerate a similar disregard for the environment (albeit on a smaller scale) by a crew who put parties on!?

    All of this throws up the issue of accountability. When it comes down to the inevitable mess created at freeparties & the subsequent tidy-up, whose lap does it lie on; the many party-goers that attend these events or the few that organise them? I understand that other groups involved in such events may hold the view that the mess created at their parties is by the majority who travel to attend them; the accumulative consequence of so many party-goers arriving and then leaving without taking their junk.

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    As most of the people attending have no affiliation to the organisers, it’s understandable why they may see little reason to shoulder responsibility, for other peoples irresponsible behaviour. However, if you’re in the business of organising raves I think you should realise the responsibility that comes with the role. In this case the *** were the sole reason why all those people amassed to that site looking for a party. The place would have otherwise remained untouched. Along with this open invite you must surely accept that most people who turn up will get wasted, have a dance and leave their junk on the floor. Having any false pretence about this fact is at best extremely naive. If any conscientious ravers help out, then great! It’s a small bonus on your part, but ultimately it’s the responsibility of those who organise freeparties to clear the site upon leaving. In the same way when someone throws a house party inviting lots of people, It’s done knowing that the place will be trashed by morning and none of the guests are likely to stick around to tidy up. That duty is the price paid for throwing a fat party.

    Even if you don’t see the point in clearing a party site for environmental reasons, do it to ensure the future of such events & the freeparty community. It should be a basic human right for people to be able to come together and dance without a license but the State & local councils/county police need little justification in taking a ‘zero tolerance’ policy towards the parties they do not want happening anyway. I would hate to see more draconian legislation come to pass simply because the party community can’t be arsed to tidy up after themselves. For party crews to consistently leave sites in a mess compromises the very thing so many of us love doing.

    if you are reading this please go back & clear the site from the May 2nd party and ensure this doesn’t happen again. I urge anyone else reading who agrees with what has been said, regardless of whether they attended the party, to send a brief email prompting them to return to the party site & clean it up.

    #1200858
    AvatarMisterDuck
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    i completely agree. organisers should leave their venue in as good as if not better state than they approaced it. i think party-goers should clean up their act more though, take responsibility off the organisers and do your part.

    we all love to have a good time at parties, but let’s keep it fucking tidy!

    #1200870
    Avataruglyprettytrash
    Participant

    people make it more difficult too. i can’t count the number of times i’ve been cleaning up and people have just thrown cans further into the woods rather than bringing it over to the bag i’m holding.

    idiots.

    #1200844
    Avatarprocess
    Participant

    welcome to PV Pierian. Totally agree with you. I hope this gets sorted out quickly. In my opinion its the responsibility of everybody that attends the party to look after the rubbish, but ultimatly its the organisers. What really pisses me off is the people that come to sell balloons, making money off the rigs effort, then makes no effort to tidy the Nos chargers up. its not that hard to put them in a bag as you use them. :rant:

    Let us know what happens… :hopeless:

    #1200871
    Avatarjoshd96320
    Participant

    bahh i hate this :hopeless:

    its stupid… the party crew obviously supplied binbags for people to put rubbish in and a fair few people adhered to it which is a good thing id like to do that

    but they appear to have forgotten to take the binbags and remember that foxes live in woods..

    thumbs up for initiative but i wish this beautiful spot could have been preserved :/

    #1200833
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    I see you’ve done this on tribal living as well (and got a similar positive response!)

    Personally I’m in two minds about what you’ve done, but I do appreciate you why you did it.

    However, because of the way these forums work and are open to the scrutiny of all, you might as well have also emailed your document straight to Avon and Somerset Constabulary, the Environment Agency, Defra, Forestry Commission or the local Council for wherever this party happened – along with all the info about the rig that they usually have to put extra “community intelligence gathering” efforts into finding!

    At least one of these agencies is going to find this post on wherever you’ve posted it and take action. It may only result in info being filed for future reference, it may mean some “hippies” get visited by a bobby or three – or it may even result in criminal and/or civil action being taken against the crew you have named.

    Then again its got to the stage where its about time someone from the scene blew the whistle… especially as one of the main reasons there is a zero tolerance policy in many areas is because of rubbish.

    #1200863
    Avatarspark_plug
    Participant

    moaning isnt gonna change anything is it?! i cant believe you went, took pictures and spent your time posting an essay on why theyre so terrible. when you couldve spent the time cleaning it a little yourself! at the end of the day it is up to the sound crew to clean up the site but isnt the point of a free party that its everyones party? so everyone should take some sort of responsibility? alot of people who go to free parties arent there to respect free party ethics…which is shitty, but cant be helped. but its clear that you feel quite strongly about it, so why dont you help out and muck in a little yourself?

    #1200845
    Avatarprocess
    Participant

    maybe we should edit the post a bit?

    #1200834
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    the took the pics two days and then several weeks after the party had happened

    perhaps he didn’t touch them as thats contaminating evidence…

    lets face it althrough pieran probably wouldn’t have done so as a citizen of the area he has every right to moan straight to the council or cops directly rather than at least spark off a discussion about these issues what have been left to fester for years…

    I don’t think editing it would make any difference now as google picks up things within seconds, plus as he said its no different from exposing other big corporates as polluters…

    #1200846
    Avatarprocess
    Participant
    General Lighting;331648 wrote:
    the took the pics two days and then several weeks after the party had happened

    perhaps he didn’t touch them as thats contaminating evidence…

    lets face it althrough pieran probably wouldn’t have done so as a citizen of the area he has every right to moan straight to the council or cops directly rather than at least spark off a discussion about these issues what have been left to fester for years…

    I don’t think editing it would make any difference now as google picks up things within seconds, plus as he said its no different from exposing other big corporates as polluters…

    yeah fair play, its just a shame that this may have an effect on other party crews in the area. Hopefully this may get the people involved to sort thier shit out without too many reprocussions from the council or police.

    #1200835
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator
    djprocess;331649 wrote:
    yeah fair play, its just a shame that this may have an effect on other party crews in the area. Hopefully this may get the people involved to sort thier shit out without too many reprocussions from the council or police.

    well its costs thousands to close down events, seize rigs and get evidence in Court so the authorities do still tend to give people chances – the only reason it fucked up in EA was because people didn’t take heed of the above

    its not just one crew either, elsewhere on here its mentioned how not just balloons but the large nos cylinders are just dumped once the party’s over.

    #1200869
    Avatarbryonbond
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    Pierian;331621 wrote:
    As far as I was aware the party scene particularly the psy-trance brigade promotes & celebrates a certain, ‘way of life’; apparently one of positive interaction, attitude & respect to all things. Most who gravitate towards the psy-trance community share this ethos.

    Psy trance people seem to me to be more enviro friendly but in this case its a shame when this happens, people should be more considerate of the effort and risk it takes to put on these parties, and I thought it was ettiquette to clean up your litter?

    #1200847
    Avatarprocess
    Participant
    General Lighting;331650 wrote:
    but the large nos cylinders are just dumped once the party’s over.

    strange if people are dumping these, they are quite expensive and easy to refill. Only reason i can think of dumpng them is if they have been nicked. If they are its even worse dumping them at the party site, cause it will bring it even more on top for the crews and area.

    #1200836
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator
    djprocess;331659 wrote:
    strange if people are dumping these, they are quite expensive and easy to refill. Only reason i can think of dumpng them is if they have been nicked. If they are its even worse dumping them at the party site, cause it will bring it even more on top for the crews and area.

    Exactly. Also, do you think BOC is going to refill these cylinders for people to knowingly inhale and risk being busted by the MHRA and losing its lucrative NHS contracts?

    50 cylinders of entonox have gone walkies from Eastern Ambulance depots in just the last few weeks. That said I doubt they are all turning up in the region as zero tolerance has been very effective and of course you’d need a car to shift one, so its possible that thieves from other regions are nicking ’em and hoping “Norfolk ravers” will get the blame for it..

    #1200848
    Avatarprocess
    Participant
    General Lighting;331662 wrote:
    Exactly. Also, do you think BOC is going to refill these cylinders for people to knowingly inhale and risk being busted by the MHRA and losing its lucrative NHS contracts?

    you can get them refilled from places other than BOC.

    General Lighting;331662 wrote:
    50 cylinders of entonox have gone walkies from Eastern Ambulance depots in just the last few weeks. That said I doubt they are all turning up in the region as zero tolerance has been very effective and of course you’d need a car to shift one, so its possible that thieves from other regions are nicking ’em and hoping “Norfolk ravers” will get the blame for it..

    if it is entonox that was robbed then there will be some shit laughing gas going round, its only 50% nos.

    #1200837
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator
    djprocess;331668 wrote:
    you can get them refilled from places other than BOC.

    maybe but MHRA are sure to be watching these suppliers as well and the other issue is that cops search vehicles on the way out and its difficult to explain away a large metal cylinder… clearly bigger than one brought there for personal use…

    I saw some place online what looked “likely” but they had a whole big article on their website explaining why they wouldn’t sell or refill cylinders, complete with some medical horror stories – why in the middle of a recession would a business turn down revenue and scare away potential customers unless someone with more power was warning them?

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    if it is entonox that was robbed then there will be some shit laughing gas going round, its only 50% nos.

    probably safer though as a lot of the “high” people get is in fact due to oxygen deprivation!

    Even so its really going to piss off the NHS – if it carries on like that it wouldn’t be too much hardship for the govt to make nos class C as the extra paperwork could be linked in with higher security procedures. Of course its the patients what lose out in the end due to potential delays in treatment..

    #1200838
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
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    bryonbond;331657 wrote:
    Psy trance people seem to me to be more enviro friendly but in this case its a shame when this happens, people should be more considerate of the effort and risk it takes to put on these parties, and I thought it was ettiquette to clean up your litter?

    the impression I got from the original post was that the chap had been to a fair few parties from this crew and not previously seen this issue, so its a warning to them not to get too slack…

    if we’re honest about my former area (SE England) people only started clearing up better in the early 2000s after the first backlash from cops/locals, and even then often the rubbish was just left for the Council to pick up (a extra burden on the public services without payment).

    Things got better for a few years then a combination of more ket being done and parties going on way longer led to the rubbish being left again.

    To be fair what usually happens is about 70% of it is cleared but its still not good enough…

    #1200849
    Avatarprocess
    Participant

    i want to know if Pierian tried to contact the rig owners before they decided to put thier names and contact details all over the internet, if they did and got told to fuck off not our problem etc then (sort of) fair enough. otherwise it is definatly a bit out of order IMO.

    #1200839
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    As “ravers” we might think its “out of order” but for too long this rubbish problem hasn’t even been swept under the carpet but just left in the woods, now someones had the balls to disuss this openly. Yes I don’t think mentioning the rig name is that good an idea but I don’t know the security situation in Bristol well enough and it did seem that the details he obtained are shown everywhere along with obvious links to free parties anyway long before this incident… so much info that if a Eastern crew did the same they would be busted for sure, rubbish or none…

    it might cause minor problems to one crew – but at the same time I doubt that Bristol’s environmental health officers are all blind so they would have seen the rubbish anyway long before this post… this discussion shows that at least some people have a consience…

    bear in mind he’s putting himself at personal risk too as no one likes “grasses”, particularly anyone what might be making cash from these events (not necessarily the organisers)

    the other issue is the whole “eco-friendly” facade that psy-trance parties claim to put on. For all their faults, at least many of the “normal” bumpkin rave crews now just accept the fact that parties per se are about hedonism and drugs rather than anything more socially concious.

    #1200855
    Avatarbenbear
    Participant

    I read this thread once and had to read it twice and then for good measure a 3rd time and I’m confused as

    Why is Pierian naming rigs ?

    General Lighting this person took the pics two days and then several weeks after the party had happened, several weeks, I’m sure your right General but that is very strange.

    Why on earth is Pierian putting this story on this site and others, he seems to know them so call them on the phone.

    I think there is more to this story than I have read and would love to find someone else at this party, namely at the end and the rig clear up, what happened ?

    Every party I went to there was always a big clear up, why would this rig not do that ?

    #1200859
    AvatarMisterDuck
    Participant

    Yus on sober reflection I also think it’s slightly out of order, “name and shame” campaign type thing… not the best way to approach it. I think as a last resort if the rig was really rude and obnoxious about it then maybe more understandable, but gotta get in touch with them innit.

    #1200850
    Avatarprocess
    Participant
    General Lighting;331686 wrote:
    the other issue is the whole “eco-friendly” facade that psy-trance parties claim to put on. For all their faults, at least many of the “normal” bumpkin rave crews now just accept the fact that parties per se are about hedonism and drugs rather than anything more socially concious.

    dont tar them all with the same brush!

    #1200840
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator
    djprocess;331690 wrote:
    dont tar them all with the same brush!

    I was a regular member of psy-forum for some months and knew a fair few people from local psy-trance crews in SE England. From 2003-04 in Reading I spent a lot of time with some of the local psy-trance heads, even though I wasn’t 100% into the music. They were all nice people with good ideas and mindsets but it was still a scene about hedonism rather than campaigning for real change. no different from all my other raver mates TBH…

    from what I remember of psy-forum it was friendly enough but there was no real discussion over the heavier issues and a lot of emphasis on selling music, fluoro tat (probably made in china :laugh_at:) and events tickets.

    if Northern / Midlands crews are better its mostly because of the overall ethos of all alternative groups up there irrespective of music policy, and that psy trance crews tend to have older crew people with families who are sometimes more responsible.

    I know in London there is the Synergy project but thats probably the same load of middle class South London hippies pooling their resources what my parents knew back in the 1970s :laugh_at:

    #1200851
    Avatarprocess
    Participant

    tbh theres only one psytrance rig i know up here and their last party got busted cause they were all being muppets and gathering in the pub round the corner from the actuall party site.. :you_crazy:

    #1200841
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator
    benbear;331688 wrote:
    I read this thread once and had to read it twice and then for good measure a 3rd time and I’m confused as

    Why is Pierian naming rigs ?

    its for him to answer but the way the pics have been taken and catalogued is very methodical – the way someone actually working for the Council or EA would do that (bear in mind I worked for Defra for four years)

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    General Lighting this person took the pics two days and then several weeks after the party had happened, several weeks, I’m sure your right General but that is very strange.

    having kept an eye on fly tipping where I work, it can take 2/3 weeks for the Council (or anyone else) to take action to remove it – also when buildings have been repeatedly partied its not uncommon to find the rubbish from previous events there. Its possible the wood is private property and so the Council can only request the landowners clean it but can’t immediately force them to do so.

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    I think there is more to this story than I have read and would love to find someone else at this party, namely at the end and the rig clear up, what happened ?

    Every party I went to there was always a big clear up, why would this rig not do that ?

    true, but i’ve seen rigs slowly slack off in the quality of their clearing up with each party they “get away with”, especially if last tunes has become later and later and people have been doing too much ket…

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