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  • #1041164
    the rev
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    I was at a party last weekend chatting shit with some guy (as you do) And he reckoned that in the last twelve months the old bill had seized nearly sixty rigs and over six hundred cars from people attending free parties.(and they call us criminals!) I know this does happen but the numbers he was quoting seem a bit high. does anyone have any reliable statistics on this matter? I mean sixty rigs? are their even that many crews operating in the uk?

    #1103789
    Sound-Guy
    Participant

    Does seem a bit of a big number to me but im sure not all of those rigs could be kept by the police?? And as for cars they cant just confiscate your car if your at a rave, maybe if your using it in conjunction with the rave I.E transportin equipment but most crews use rented vans.

    #1103793
    the rev
    Participant
    Sound-Guy wrote:
    Does seem a bit of a big number to me but im sure not all of those rigs could be kept by the police?? And as for cars they cant just confiscate your car if your at a rave, maybe if your using it in conjunction with the rave I.E transportin equipment but most crews use rented vans.
    I think he meant cars that had been parked stupidly, or were suspected stolen or uninsured or whatever being towed away.
    #1103800
    Sandals
    Participant

    Well according to reports 12 or so got taken last bank hol, so ya know .. could be true .. i know of quite a few been taken since January.

    Dunno about the cars though.

    #1103784
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    across the UK 60 seizures seems quite feasible, as according to the official police crime reports there are over 50 raves every year in Norfolk alone..

    a single stack at most parties often contains more than one crews equipment.

    “seizure” just means the cops took the equipment (and maybe returned it later), only Courts can order the forfeiture of equipment.

    cops can seize cars if they are reported stolen or the driver does not have a a valid driving license.

    #1103794
    the rev
    Participant
    the rev wrote:
    I mean sixty rigs? are their even that many crews operating in the uk?

    On second thoughts there are probably nearly sixty crews in the south alone, so maybe its not all together unbelievable.
    I wonder if they keep all the confiscated gear in the same place?

    #1103785
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    the rev wrote:
    On second thoughts there are probably nearly sixty crews in the south alone, so maybe its not all together unbelievable.
    I wonder if they keep all the confiscated gear in the same place?

    no, it usually goes into the largest property store available to that constabulary involved in closing down the rave, often some distance away from the Police Station(s) where anyone arrested may have been held..

    #1103795
    the rev
    Participant
    General Lighting wrote:
    no, it usually goes into the largest property store available to that constabulary involved in closing down the rave, often some distance away from the Police Station(s) where anyone arrested may have been held..

    I see. I like the banksy btw.

    #1103798
    fruitisbad
    Participant

    they are blatently planning to link those sixty rigs into one super stack for there own amusement

    on a serious note they often have police auctions where they sell off old robbed cars, bikes etc. that no ones claimed. recon theyd have a bargain sound equipment auction? doubt it. but u never know

    #1103786
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    fruitisbad wrote:
    they are blatently planning to link those sixty rigs into one super stack for there own amusement

    on a serious note they often have police auctions where they sell off old robbed cars, bikes etc. that no ones claimed. recon theyd have a bargain sound equipment auction? doubt it. but u never know

    police property auctions have loads of random lots of all sorts, so there may be sound equipment, but TBH the feds either give it back or have it destroyed, depending on how big the local backlash was.

    Its actually given back fairly often as I think at least some cops are pragmatic enough to realise that the anger caused by permanently confiscating it could actually drive people to worse crime (such as serving up bare drugs to raise money for a replacement rig!),

    all it would take is for one angry ex-rig owner to knock out a bit of crack or smack (perhaps even out of spite), and even if they nick this person eventually and send them down there would still be far more long-term damage caused to a local community than a hundred loud raves…

    it would also destroy a lot of people’s respect for the law along with the rig (particularly young followers), with an attendant risk of a rise in anti-social behaviour and particularly vandalism – youths are gonna think “if they can trash our stuff, we will trash theirs…” its happened in other countries (particularly France) when raves have been shut down..”

    although most rig people are fluffy there’s always the chance the more ruthless the cops and system becomes, the more ruthless the response is.

    In the 90s I remember someone from a now-defunct London crew saying “if the met take our rig, I will go and burgle the houses of the people in the area who grassed us up, until we have enough money to build another one. ” This lad even wanted to make this statement on a video I was making. He had been in prison before so that didn’t really bother him…..

    I refused to record it as I told him he was incriminating himself even if someone else carried out his actions, but the level of his anger showed how high feelings were running after the CJA had been passed.

    #1103790
    Sound-Guy
    Participant
    the rev wrote:
    I think he meant cars that had been parked stupidly, or were suspected stolen or uninsured or whatever being towed away.

    In this case maybe. They can and will take any vehicle that is on the stolen list. Also A new law is in force where police can confiscate any vehicle without insurance EVEN if its not being driven. Before they could only do it legitamatly if they caught you driving. So in respect they can turn up at a party on a industrial estate, go round checkin every vehicles details and just take away the ones that dont have insurance! Cunts!

    #1103787
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    Sound-Guy wrote:
    In this case maybe. They can and will take any vehicle that is on the stolen list. Also A new law is in force where police can confiscate any vehicle without insurance EVEN if its not being driven. Before they could only do it legitamatly if they caught you driving. So in respect they can turn up at a party on a industrial estate, go round checkin every vehicles details and just take away the ones that dont have insurance! Cunts!

    it might seem harsh but the cops aren’t going to ignore huge developments in technology since the 90s nor the real fact that my generation of ravers often royallly took the piss with traffic laws.

    it was a “sub culture” within the rave scene of twoccing and ragging cars and not bothering with “babylon’s rules” such as licenses, insurance, MOT etc.. OTOH I’ve lost friends and seen others permanently disabled due to RTCs, plus there’s no way you can really justify stealing cars to get to and from raves (or burning them on site) ,particularly if you have ever had your own vehicle stolen or damaged.

    if you drive w/o insurance (for any reason) its not fair on anyone else involved if you are unlucky enough to be involved in a collision. The insurance system isn’t ideal, quick or always just but it pays for both parties costs and at least contributes some to those of the NHS (which are not insubstantial). Each injury or fatal RTC costs the public purse £50 000 – £100 000 depending on severity…

    Most of the time when you go to a rave and see someone being helped in in a wheelchair, they are often there because of traffic collision injuries (lost limbs, spinal injuries) rather than terminal illnesses… I do think if you are going to drive yourself and your friends to a party its your duty to do it as legally and responsibly as possible – thats the most dangerous and risky part of a rave, not all the drugs or anything else!

    #1103791
    Sound-Guy
    Participant
    General Lighting wrote:
    Most of the time when you go to a rave and see someone being helped in in a wheelchair, they are often there because of traffic collision injuries (lost limbs, spinal injuries) rather than terminal illnesses… I do think if you are going to drive yourself and your friends to a party its your duty to do it as legally and responsibly as possible – thats the most dangerous and risky part of a rave, not all the drugs or anything else!

    I agree, If i drive i always make sure i stay strait headed and im AM legal. I wouldnt drive otherwise!

    #1103796
    the rev
    Participant

    Also, as cars are all registered and there is now this massive database so they can tell if you’re legal at a glance. It makes for good statistics without the lazy bastards having to do any actual policework. Motorists are an easy target it has to be said, and the ob are a spitefull bunch. they use road traffic legislation to bust people at parties all the time yet how often do you see traffic officers out on the road? very rarely and the ones we do have are little more than tax collecters extorting peoples cash for commiting trivial “offences” like a faulty indicator or a bald tyre. its the same with the newish public order legislation.

    #1103782
    Anonymous

    AFAIK ASBO law says they can seize and destroy any vehicle being used ‘anti-socially’. driving off-road certainly falls under this and the police could argue simply driving to attend a rave or refusing to leave is anti-social too. don’t know whether people have got their cars back after being impounded (big fine no doubt) or whether they have been destroyed. apparently 150 taken from Wales. last year there was a party in Kent I think where about 60 got taken. hard to find out what’s going on accurately.

    resistraaa

    Monsieur Pop

    #1103788
    General Lighting
    Moderator
    snowflake wrote:
    AFAIK ASBO law says they can seize and destroy any vehicle being used ‘anti-socially’. driving off-road certainly falls under this and the police could argue simply driving to attend a rave or refusing to leave is anti-social too. don’t know whether people have got their cars back after being impounded (big fine no doubt) or whether they have been destroyed. apparently 150 taken from Wales. last year there was a party in Kent I think where about 60 got taken. hard to find out what’s going on accurately.

    resistraaa

    Monsieur Pop

    most friends of mine who have had vehicles seized have got them back, although of course after paying impounding costs – particularly if they can argue that they need the vehicle for their work.

    A rave only becomes anti-social when enough locals actually complain, and cops can’t really hassle people for not leaving if they have confiscated their motor cars!

    There is also a potential human rights challenge that it is disproportionate to extendedly or permanently deprive someone of their means of transport for a single, isolated offence, or one that does not actually involve bad driving (unlike other seizures of cars belonging to boy racers)

    The figures you quote for level of vehicle seizures seem rather high for single raves TBH, I know at Wales rig vans were seized but I’m not sure about random cars….I would have thought as well if that many cars went at Wales someone else would have posted about it on here as well..

    #1103797
    the rev
    Participant

    bonjour monsieur purp, avez vous le ecstacy du qualitie inferior?

    just remembered it was you who i was talking to about this

    #1103799
    Tekhan
    Participant
    Sound-Guy wrote:
    In this case maybe. They can and will take any vehicle that is on the stolen list. Also A new law is in force where police can confiscate any vehicle without insurance EVEN if its not being driven. Before they could only do it legitamatly if they caught you driving. So in respect they can turn up at a party on a industrial estate, go round checkin every vehicles details and just take away the ones that dont have insurance! Cunts!

    well i dont wanna be a hit n run victim or have my car smashed up by some uninsured driver…

    #1103792
    Linz
    Participant

    I had a letter yesterday from the police saying that my car had been seen in the area of an illegal rave last weekend!

    It says if I return to the site within 7 days they have the power to sieze my car and that I am liable for arrest!

    Oh-and I am strongly advised not to attend any such future events!:laugh_at:

    #1103783
    Anonymous

    That’s just dark! It’s like something off a comic book lol

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