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September 29, 2008 at 11:07 am #1045553
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does anyone know roughly how much it costs to keep and police helicopter in the air taking photos of people dancing for 2 hours. im sure its not a good use of tax payers money ๐
September 29, 2008 at 11:27 am #1180072photographthesun;237699 wrote:does anyone know roughly how much it costs to keep and police helicopter in the air taking photos of people dancing for 2 hours. im sure its not a good use of tax payers money ๐Does anyone know how much it costs to sometimes clean up party sites where people just leave their trash behind..
Not a good use of tax payers money either :weee:
September 29, 2008 at 11:30 am #1180064Anonymous
siginificantly less than getting a helicopter in the air i should think, in fact if its in private land i should think the poor farmer walks round with a bin bag. however iv never been to a party where the rubbish wasnt picked up so its never been a problem. In fact i love getting trashed and dancing round with a bin bag :p
September 29, 2008 at 11:34 am #1180073photographthesun;237708 wrote:siginificantly less than getting a helicopter in the air i should think, in fact if its in private land i should think the poor farmer walks round with a bin bag. however iv never been to a party where the rubbish wasnt picked up so its never been a problem. In fact i love getting trashed and dancing round with a bin bag :pWish everybody was thinking like you ๐
September 29, 2008 at 1:53 pm #1180069photographthesun;237699 wrote:does anyone know roughly how much it costs to keep and police helicopter in the air taking photos of people dancing for 2 hours. im sure its not a good use of tax payers money ๐for many constabularies its not that much these days (as little as a few hundred quid) they do a “fixed cost” deal with the helicopter manufacturers where they get the fuel, maintenance etc for free as part of the total price of the aircraft, so the only extra costs are the pilot and the coppers who would be on duty anyway.
this is why you see the helicopters in the air a lot more commonly these days (even during the week) and being tasked to comparatively minor incidents (round here AA99 was sent to try and follow two lads who may have been doing a single low cost drugs deal (they didn’t even catch them!), just because a nosey neighbour called 999….)
Other forces such as hantspol and sussex use a fixed wing aircraft which is cheaper to run, in all cases if they do pay for fuel they get cheap tax-free fuel from the military (the aircraft are always kept at MOD bases)
Unfortunately, the costs of properly cleaning up a farm site including the human waste can easily reach the thousands at normal commercial rates, and are comparable with the costs of using the police helicopter.
its also a matter of principle to the cops, they are being lobbied by locals/landowners as well as the NHS and have to be seen to be “doing something” about illegal raves…
September 29, 2008 at 2:15 pm #1180065Anonymous
ah well thats ok then long as their not burning up 100’s of pounds a min. Dont spose you know how to get hold of the footige they shot do you? i assume under the data protection act we are entitled to the footage? (i hope you dont mind me asking, you seem wise)
September 29, 2008 at 2:28 pm #1180070photographthesun;237759 wrote:ah well thats ok then long as their not burning up 100’s of pounds a min. Dont spose you know how to get hold of the footige they shot do you? i assume under the data protection act we are entitled to the footage? (i hope you dont mind me asking, you seem wise)you could try, but the issue here (and with other CCTV schemes) is that you are only entitled to the footage shot of yourself and not anyone else, and the cops can say it will be disproportionately expensive to black out all the photos. Helicopter footage is usually a high level shot to assess numbers present /entry exit points and of course shows loads of people..
Even the media only get footage from cases what have already been heard in Court and even then they often obscure the face of the target or any coppers who for “operational reasons” do not wish to appear on telly (they also are protected by human rights/health and safety laws)
also if they allowed any random to get this footage, people like farmers/locals could get it and perhaps even use it to try and do vigilantรฉ actions…
for instance at a local rave helicopter footage was only relased to the media of the nighttime shots so individual people couldn’t be identified.
I was looking at FOI requests sent to a East Anglian force (they have to put them on the web or give reasons for refusal) and there were some quite chilling attempts by individuals to get info what they clearly would have used to take the law into their own hands or to gather dirt on people, I was actually glad to see the cops refused their requests!
September 29, 2008 at 2:50 pm #1180066Anonymous
General Lighting;237764 wrote:you could try, but the issue here (and with other CCTV schemes) is that you are only entitled to the footage shot of yourself and not anyone else, and the cops can say it will be disproportionately expensive to black out all the photos. Helicopter footage is usually a high level shot to assess numbers present /entry exit points and of course shows loads of people..Even the media only get footage from cases what have already been heard in Court and even then they often obscure the face of the target or any coppers who for “operational reasons” do not wish to appear on telly (they also are protected by human rights/health and safety laws)
also if they allowed any random to get this footage, people like farmers/locals could get it and perhaps even use it to try and do vigilantรฉ actions…
for instance at a local rave helicopter footage was only relased to the media of the nighttime shots so individual people couldn’t be identified.
I was looking at FOI requests sent to a East Anglian force (they have to put them on the web or give reasons for refusal) and there were some quite chilling attempts by individuals to get info what they clearly would have used to take the law into their own hands or to gather dirt on people, I was actually glad to see the cops refused their requests!
ahhh very interesting ๐ I will go hunting for these FOI requests sounds interesting
September 29, 2008 at 2:53 pm #1180067Anonymous
ps sorry you dont have a link do u? i cant find anything good via google
September 29, 2008 at 2:55 pm #1180075photographthesun;237771 wrote:ps sorry you dont have a link do u? i cant find anything good via googleWhatDoTheyKnow – file and browse Freedom of Information (FOI) requests
hope this is right, am guessing it’s the freedom of information act
September 29, 2008 at 3:00 pm #1180068Anonymous
looks good but i cant find anything about dodgy FOI requests relating to raves ๐
September 29, 2008 at 3:17 pm #1180076can’t find anything specific about accessing police footage of raves / illegal partys
GL prob know where to lookSeptember 29, 2008 at 4:00 pm #1180078costs a chopper 20,000 just for them to get in the air and to were their going … dont no about extras such as filming etc …
it costs 500,000 to call out the bombsquad so no one go making prank calls :yakk:
September 29, 2008 at 4:43 pm #1180080i cost 20 quid on a street corner, im free if u catch me in a pub
September 30, 2008 at 8:13 am #1180077Playground Politics;237818 wrote:i cost 20 quid on a street corner, im free if u catch me in a pubHaha cool
October 19, 2008 at 1:45 pm #1180082Playground Politics;237818 wrote:i cost 20 quid on a street corner, im free if u catch me in a pub:laugh_at:
October 19, 2008 at 2:13 pm #1180074it says here that they hire it out 2 other forces 4 ยฃ1500 per hour…
http://www.surrey.police.uk/foi/surrey_police_Helicopter_6293.pdf
October 19, 2008 at 3:35 pm #1180079i got my figures from Street wars :-S
October 21, 2008 at 10:09 am #1180081anyone interested then
October 21, 2008 at 10:36 am #1180071ill catch you when your in the pub, bit skint at the mo… ๐
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