Forums Music Sound Equipment What drivers would you recommend for a suicide rig?

Viewing 13 posts - 1 through 13 (of 13 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #1056865
    AvatarRaoul Duke
    Participant

    What drivers could be good for a suicide rig that is highly likely to get seized?? I’m not after super budget type drivers but something that would hold it’s own (loaded in an 1850) and sound decent but keeping costs relatively low because it will probably get seized by tha po po. Thanks!

    #1277261
    AvatarDaftFader
    Participant

    Drunk drivers are always good for suicide. 😉

    #1277262
    AvatarMadPsy
    Participant

    Why not just find a better venue so it doesn’t get seized in the first place?

    Do me a favour and use good quality drivers so I can buy it back at a police auction.

    #1277264
    AvatarChrispydelic
    Participant

    Kamikaze drivers?

    #1277260
    Avatarsinner69
    Participant

    Yes, Kamikaze rig is what the name used to be 😉

    #1277268
    AvatarRaoul Duke
    Participant

    @MadPsy 560477 wrote:

    Why not just find a better venue so it doesn’t get seized in the first place?

    Do me a favour and use good quality drivers so I can buy it back at a police auction.

    Living in a county of zero tolerance on UME’s so i have little choice! Giving the people what they want:weee:

    #1277263
    AvatarMadPsy
    Participant

    Loading in an 1850 leaves you limited choices of drivers AFAIK. Be better with reflex cabs – cheaper to build and can use any driver.

    If it really is going to be a kamikaze rig I wouldn’t be caring too much about drivers. I’m now curious what you have in terms of the rest of rig that you’re willing to give up to the ol’ bill.

    #1277257
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    TBH even the cheap China ones don’t sound too bad, I was at one point using two ready built units (with the harsh piezo tweeters disconnected) as subwoofers in my studio/workshop but in the end decided they were way too loud for a small space (although I’ve only got neighbours on one side of my house they often have grandchildren and a dog staying overnight).

    be aware though that the cops consider that any group of young people who are willing to sacrifice what appears to be a few hundred or thousand quids worth of property at the height of an economic depression are obtaining the cash for this by illegal means and they are subjected to some fairly full on investigations; and if they happen to be unemployed / on benefits there is a very good chance that some of the ringleaders may even be sent to prison – this happened to friends of mine a few years ago.

    OK prison might not yet be as harsh as it was during the 1960s to 1990s (though young offenders units have always been unpleasant) but its often said “a prison sentence starts after your release”. Its a lot harder to get a job round here with a criminal record or even being suspected of being “dodgy” and CRB is only one way of a prospective employer finding about peoples pasts. I am lucky myself to have the career I have with my past!

    BTW Daftfaders comment (though he lives in London) is actually a case of “many a true word said in jest” – another reason used to justify the zero tolerance policies is that unlicensed events are held in remote areas and attract a lot of young/new drivers many of whom are under the influence of substances and/or sleep deprived – some often just about get through the rave without incident (as they are still buzzing and kept awake either by drugs or simply the enjoyable party) but are involved in fatal RTCs at the start of the following week especially on the Monday or Tuesday journeys to and from work. I’ve also personally witnessed a sleep deprived driver roll a 4×4 vehicle (unfamiliar vehicle, borrowed from parents?) at speed, although thankfully no one was killed a young lady in late teens who was a passenger in this vehicle sufferered minor but irreversible injuries which will plague her with chronic back pain for the rest of her life.

    I also am originally from London and more recently lived in SE England until 2006 though moved to East Anglia for a work opportunity.

    The zero tolerance policy (which is being extended to all parts of England outside London and cities) started about a year before before I moved to this area and didn’t arrive out of nowhere. It would not actually make any sense at all when local politicians (albeit closer to Ipswich) try and put across a image of Ipswich and Suffolk as “centres of the creativity and arts”, and also complain that “creative young people are lost to London”.

    Unfortunately, the harsh realities are the “creative industries” and “night time economy” do not bring in as much cash as normal industry and/or the maritime economy, and those supportive politicians and organisations (though decent enough people if a bit naïve and overoptimistic) simply do not have as much power as they think, especially when everyone increasingly thinks about money first.

    So outside a small minority of younger people and fewer still slightly older people in my age group who have not forgotten what it was like to be young, many current Suffolk residents feel they can do without the perceived costs (in council tax etc) of “subsidizing nightlife and arts” (which is why there are less problems with unlicensed events in NL – the “underground” hardstyle music popular at Norfolk raves is virtually mainstream pop music just across the North Sea). In reality it costs far more to close down UME’s with riot cops and prevent music events than to license them, but even in NL people complain about “their taxes being spent to give in to criminals”, and many people from NL and other “tolerant” North European countries actually move their businesses and investments to East Anglia because of this!

    Added to this you get folk who are about the same age as us but are think its “smart” to keep their jobs in London so often have to get up at 05:00 for the train and/or work late evenings/weekends, and they are the kind who go to bed at 22:00 every night and call the fed on any rave or anything else noisy that is keeping them awake (some in mid suffolk called the feds on Chinese geese from a local farm!)

    #1277258
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @MadPsy 560477 wrote:

    Why not just find a better venue so it doesn’t get seized in the first place?

    Do me a favour and use good quality drivers so I can buy it back at a police auction.

    unfortunately both sides are that stubborn that its sometimes first set about with hammers to render it unuseable (although I suspect this is only done for show occasionally). What does definitely happen is confiscated equipment is taken under substantial Police guard at random times/dates to any one of various different WEEE disposal facilities across East Anglia and reduced there (with more appropriate equipment and safety procedures) to wood and and PCB fragments. As part of these precautions, cops deliberately keep the names of many of the businesses used, their locations and exact details of items classified PROTECT or RESTRICTED to protect their staff against reprisals and/or attempts to take the equipment back by force (this is also used as a justification for why the equipment is not donated to charities either in the UK or foreign).

    Where they have shown a business name (it seems very few WEEE facilities want the publicity) there have been about 20 cops guarding the place, many of whom were even shy to be seen on local journalists cameras!)

    The wood is fed to a power station not too far away from the forests where the raves are held, and the metal etc then sifted and sent by container ship back to China / Malaysia / Singapore and similar countries to be remade into another round of “disposable” cheap electronics.

    bear in mind that there are a lot of WEEE disposal facilities in the coastal areas and a shit ton more all of England’s unwanted electronic tat including many usable items also ends up going through this process every day, so provided the initial transfer is kept restricted the businesses are safe enough taking on this controversial business. There are already ongoing contracts between Police Services and these companies to dispose of such items as hard drives containing sensitive data. A lot of the managers of WEEE recycling places are electronics engineers and don’t actually like working on contracts where useable items are destroyed rather than re-used (which is far more commonly and regularly done by private sector firms to protect commercial revenue streams than by the public authorities) but “business is business”.

    The only thing you could get from the English police would be a retired sniffer dog (metpol and other SE / Eastern constabularies send them to shelters in Police Scotland regions and vice versa, as its viewed as too dangerous to the dog for it to be rehomed too close to home).

    This might not be so good for music making – I guess you could train it to recover lost drugs from parties and them make youtube of yourself playing banjo and howling along with it, but that might be against SSPCA rules or “culpable and reckless conduct”.

    #1277265
    AvatarROTTBULL
    Participant

    precision device pd1850

    #1277266
    AvatarROTTBULL
    Participant

    Void Acoustics V18-1200

    #1277267
    AvatarDr Bunsen
    Participant

    Have you got this build and put it to the test yet?

    #1277259
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    I doubt it, or I’d have either heard about it in the local press or crime prevention emails, or younger colleagues would have “jokingly” been asking about whether I went to it or was involved, Raoul lives not even 20km from where I am currently working.

    Round here it is much safer to use this site to talk about equipment being used for legal purposes – his ISP is one of those which can go right over the heads of our website and the hosting company and help cops locate people right back to their home addresses, has a long standing history of working together with the feds/GCHQ (it has provided them with security critical comms infrastructure for the entire 20th century) and one issue with the current rave scene in Suffolk is many of those still stubborn enough to take part in UME’s are age 16-18 which means this can be legally done under human rights laws (UK and EU) under child protection legislation.

Viewing 13 posts - 1 through 13 (of 13 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Forums Music Sound Equipment What drivers would you recommend for a suicide rig?

Skip to toolbar