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    globalloon
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    i’ve been picking out a few of my old tunes for a listen recently

    what happened to all the ‘wickedest sounds’? Tenor Fly? Genacide II? Raagman? Papa Beat? G Double E?

    not even them in particular, but the style of lyrical delivery which, for me, drove so much of the blazing breakbeat / old skool tunes that kicked raving off?

    it’s missing from current tunes

    so is sub bass

    bring it back my DJ

    #1066512
    General Lighting
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    globalloon wrote:
    i’ve been picking out a few of my old tunes for a listen recently

    what happened to all the ‘wickedest sounds’? Tenor Fly? Genacide II? Raagman? Papa Beat? G Double E?

    not even them in particular, but the style of lyrical delivery which, for me, drove so much of the blazing breakbeat / old skool tunes that kicked raving off?

    it’s missing from current tunes

    so is sub bass

    bring it back my DJ

    one of my friends was listening to those tunes just last weekend

    but ragga lyrics fell out of favour in the mid 90s, eventually there was bare gun talk etc -TBH though in the early days I never thought it was really aggressive, particularly as the old skool tunes were quite happy otherwise –

    it was more like kids playing “cowboys and indians” rather than real desire to carve out territory with weapons….

    but those lyrics eventually got associated with trouble at raves and now you really only get that sort of chatting on the UK garbage/grime scene (where it has become even more dysfunctional)

    #1066513
    globalloon
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    i’m talking about

    myyy style and eeasee way, that’s all I have to say

    type lyrics

    positive chat that complimets electronic sounds

    pure techno is cool

    but there’s a limit to what music can do without lyrics

    #1066516
    PsykeG
    Participant

    What about the freestylers and stuff like this ???
    It’s still exist and there are some good DnB and Tekno remixes. Or maybe that’s not what u call raggamuffin…

    Well I don’t know for the UK but I know in France, DnB is getting bigger and bigger… at last. Coz I got addicted to DnB since 98 and it’s finaly getting big in France.
    What about the uk ?? no more dnb ? breakbeat ??

    + I ‘ll add a link to some US mixes where u might find your thrill.
    chk out the links .

    #1066514
    Anonymous

    dnb is still goin strong, but the ruffneck vibe to early jungle typified to me by the ragga twins, seems to be lost. when jungle came out it was black music. the people making it were black and they got proper recognition for it, instead of having their shit bought and repackaged as white music as traditionally happens in the music industry. unfortunately the british music press killed jungle because they couldn’t understand it. dnb rose from the ashes, but it had lost its black rythums. now the don of dnb, andy c is white, as are a lot of recording artists. while i have nothing against the individual artists, it is an inditement of the music scene that it couldnt sustain the truth.i wanna hear more ragga stylings back on the scene myself, but uk hiphop, grime, bashment, has more of that goin for it atm.

    #1066517
    PsykeG
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    it’s funny coz what u said ’bout uk jungle was almost the same to what happen to rock and roll (originaly jazz), hip hop and dnb.

    And it’s also funny coz dnb in the uk was in someways a black music (with no judgment, just stating) . I could remenber of black friends passionatly involved in dnb (and made me discover dj Hype).
    But in France that never happened. Though the black community in France hasn’t the same roots (mostly North Africans, and west Indies), I never heard dnb or jungle there. Though according to me, dnb has the jazz, funk, hip hop, and brek beats origins. all of which are originaly black musics.

    #1066515
    Anonymous
    PsykeG wrote:
    it’s funny coz what u said ’bout uk jungle was almost the same to what happen to rock and roll (originaly jazz), hip hop and dnb.

    And it’s also funny coz dnb in the uk was in someways a black music (with no judgment, just stating) . I could remenber of black friends passionatly involved in dnb (and made me discover dj Hype).
    But in France that never happened. Though the black community in France hasn’t the same roots (mostly North Africans, and west Indies), I never heard dnb or jungle there. Though according to me, dnb has the jazz, funk, hip hop, and brek beats origins. all of which are originaly black musics.

    definitely, at the end of the day, most western cultural movement since the dawn of the teenager in the fifties have been thoughoughly indebted to, if not stolen from, black youth. the movements you mentioned above were all deemed to be evil and corupting by the powers that be until they could repackage the music in a familiar or “safe” way. by that time the soul had been sucked out (see US hiphop) but the commercial value is huge. the underground always stays underground and black people are frequently the driving force behind underground music, cos they understand oppression.

    this is not to invalidate all white musicians, all races have brought something fresh and new to music at one time or another, its just that white musicians always get the credit and fame, which is not so assured from non whites. it is changing tho, while he isnt exactly underground, samuel l jackson is now the highest paid man in hollywood, so the ingrained racism of the centuries is wearing off. it still fucked the ragga tip of the oldskool tho.

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