it’s funny coz what u said ’bout uk jungle was almost the same to what happen to rock and roll (originaly jazz), hip hop and dnb.

And it’s also funny coz dnb in the uk was in someways a black music (with no judgment, just stating) . I could remenber of black friends passionatly involved in dnb (and made me discover dj Hype).
But in France that never happened. Though the black community in France hasn’t the same roots (mostly North Africans, and west Indies), I never heard dnb or jungle there. Though according to me, dnb has the jazz, funk, hip hop, and brek beats origins. all of which are originaly black musics.

definitely, at the end of the day, most western cultural movement since the dawn of the teenager in the fifties have been thoughoughly indebted to, if not stolen from, black youth. the movements you mentioned above were all deemed to be evil and corupting by the powers that be until they could repackage the music in a familiar or “safe” way. by that time the soul had been sucked out (see US hiphop) but the commercial value is huge. the underground always stays underground and black people are frequently the driving force behind underground music, cos they understand oppression.

this is not to invalidate all white musicians, all races have brought something fresh and new to music at one time or another, its just that white musicians always get the credit and fame, which is not so assured from non whites. it is changing tho, while he isnt exactly underground, samuel l jackson is now the highest paid man in hollywood, so the ingrained racism of the centuries is wearing off. it still fucked the ragga tip of the oldskool tho.