Forums Music VJing VJing – your suggestions please

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    Anonymous

    I vj (video jockey[how rubbish does that sound?]) for club nights and freeparties, and our sets usually revolve around plenty of trippy paterns, beautiful nature, grubby cities, peeps dancin, records spinnin etc, with a few culturaly and socailly significant images thrown in so people dont completely zone aout and just gawp at spinny tings.

    What does everyone think of the state of VJing today?

    are they happy with it? – what do you wanna see more of / feel has been neglected?

    basically i want your comments and suggestions on the subject of video projections in clubs, to make my sets better, and hopefully trip you out with…

    #1063143
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    BioTech
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    Originally posted by USE
    I vj (video jockey[how rubbish does that sound?])[/quote]

    Not half as rubbish as Disc Jockey sounds.

    Quote:
    What does everyone think of the state of VJing today?

    are they happy with it? – what do you wanna see more of / feel has been neglected?

    There needs to be more!!

    Especially round this way anyway.

    Never see it at free parties and I very very rarely go to clubs and then it’s usually the noraml cheesy bollocks you get. Like the dj’s name spinning round in big letters or the clubs name.

    We had it once at our party and I loved it. But that was just a projection on to the top face of our little deck marquee. I’ll put some pics up later maybe.

    I haven’t seen enough of it to say what i’d like improved, but I used to love watching the cyberdelia videos of that’s any help.

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    globalloon
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    i like some of the psycadelic stuff… there’s a great free download for winamp called milkdrop which has 100’s of different syncopated visualisations of the music.

    what i like best tho (and i know that this isn’t easy to pull off) is stuff like ‘Barraca’ which really feeds your head and is quite demanding and thought provoking… I like those sequences that keeps cutting from…

    a convoyer belt with hundreds of little fluffy chicks being sexed and all the males being chucked down a chute (to certain death) ๐Ÿ™

    to sped up footage of people going up and down escalators or crossing at pedestrian crossings (again sped up) then cutting

    to an ant nest…

    cutting back to the fluffy chicks

    the similarities between human, animal and insect communities being drawn, and the lack of spirituality in much of human experience becoming apparent

    I also saw some busy lizzie footage (from good morning tv circa 1983) recently, that made me laugh… armchair workout!

    #1063144
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    cheers guys, i have only just started puttin our rig ‘logo’ into the projections, and i think the word there is less is definitely more. i did do one thing of filming myself spraying “native beats” onto a bit of card, then cuttin out my arm n the card, so whatevr was on the visuals got tagged up. its so tempting to go all out, but its soooo much better when it only turns up occasionally

    cheers for the milkdrop tip, loon, we use winamp to mix over our projections with a vision mixer (oh the fun) so thats well handy.

    Barakka is one of the best films ever made, we robbed the shit out of the scene with all the tribal dudes sitting down, chanting and dancing in time…lush.

    been tryin to get more stuuf like youre on about- reminding us all, no matter how arrogent humans get, we are just animals, and probably the most bastard animals at that.

    been doing some political stuff but has the tendancy to scare people off (resulting in me running up to my mate and bellowing
    “CHAAANGE THE PAAATCH! EVERYONES LEEEEAVING THE DAAAAAANCE FLOOOOOOOOOOOR!”
    yup, its a fine line we tread all right- even withthe chicken footage you mentioned, its pretty heavy to drop on a bunch of partyheads mid-rave, however much i love doin it….as i say its about gettin a balence between the poiniant and trippy..

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    General Lighting
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    definitely needs to be more of it! One problem is the content takes a lot time to produce; although its amazing how easy its becoming with modern PCs.

    the stuff USE mentions is pretty much the sort of content I would use as well; I also like dropping in old 1970s/80s regional TV (look at the may moot video if you haven’t already seen it)

    the thing I find which holds me back is time and space; my day job doesn’t have anything to do with multimedia- when I get home I’d rather interact with other people than the rather solitary task of video editing; (well my friends are interested but they haven’t got a stable place at the moment to set up the PCs needed to do this)

    it was a pity our local TV venture (thames valley television) fucked up as they had some good kit there, and a lot of eager people but the management screwed it up (they came from mainstream media and made all the same mistakes)

    we need more collaboration and joint ventures – perhaps now is the time as broadband is becoming more common; eliminating a big tech barrier to sharing large data-files multimedia produces

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    globalloon
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    Originally posted by USE
    been doing some political stuff but has the tendancy to scare people off (resulting in me running up to my mate and bellowing
    “CHAAANGE THE PAAATCH! EVERYONES LEEEEAVING THE DAAAAAANCE FLOOOOOOOOOOOR!”

    LOL… i know exactly what you mean.. I was just reminded of being at shambala last year and starting to come to after eating way to many mushrooms on saturday night (it was also fancy dress night, everyone at the festy was dressed up.. i was a flower and my gf a bee ๐Ÿ˜€ ) when i wandered past a chai stall which was projecting Barakka… it can be a quite heavy going, but I like that sort of thing (requiem for a dream being another film friends say is too depressing but i find it invigorating)

    I’ve been trying to get the VJ’ing off the ground at our parties, but it’s hard to convince people to bring all their kit for fear of it getting wet, dropped or nicked ๐Ÿ™ personally i don’t think there’s much of a risk, but then it’s not mine ๐Ÿ˜‰

    #1063145
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    The program we use, Arkaos, is linked to a black-n-white key midi key board. the white keys have image/video/animation attached( with or without effects ) and the black keys are generally all efects. becaus eof the program/ computer speed, only about 5-6 5-20 sec loops’clips can be used.

    this means its actually relatively easy to create – making it any good is another kettle o’fish. once you have a decent ‘patch’ anyone with any riddim should be able to come up with some lush projections, although if you practice, it shows.

    if anyone has any footage which they can be fucked to copy some footage they’d love to see projected (dvd or dv tape for pref, although vhs etc is poss) gimme a pm, and i’ll get you to post me it.(dont think web exchange is high quality enough- unless somone has an upload site)

    would be really appreciated, and you’d get a credit on our soon-to-be-made primal catalogue (to make it a bit legit).

    #1063138
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    General Lighting
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    Thanks for the info – 20 secs * 25 frames is only 500 frames total or 10 * 2 second edited shots which isn’t too much of a heavy project; any PC built in the last 4 years will handle editing that.

    as before if anyone needs tech help I am happy to provide it. I think miniDV could perhaps be the best exchange format; exchanging AVI files particularly across platforms is IME be bare hassles due to incompatible codecs (the software used to compress the video).

    If you’re gonna project “heavy” stuff at raves I’d use the michael moore type of style to get this across – even I wouldn’t be comfortable about putting really harsh stuff out because the imagery is powerful and you do not know what state of mind ppl are in; wouldn’t want to send someone on a bad trip…

    for those worried about taking video kit to raves, go searching on google and media techie boards for how freelance news crews operate (particularly those in war zones); they often they mention how they pack and protect their equipment at the frontline. It should be given “safe haven” in the same area rigs are set up (but away from speaker stacks as magnets play havoc with video kit), and needs a good power feed.

    Its also often a good idea to gaffer tape down stuff like small PSUs etc and secure everything so it cannot be pulled over when some random k-head trips over a cable (which shouldn’t have been in their path anyway!)

    #1063146
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    You’re blatantly right about dv tapes being the easiest- i can promise with a 98% garauntee that i can get the tapes back i f u cant copy them (the 2% is your tape getting chewed up or lost in the post. i wouldn’t like the responsibility, but i can cope if you can.

    Also we generally set up a gazeebo and project from inside to a cloth on one of the walls. put the gazeebo next to the decks. Once we did it from inside a van onto cloth over the back- that was ruud.

    funnily enough (or predictably) clubs are a bigger hassle as less of them were designed with vjs in mind, so you end up next to the decks (feeling like a gimp – i recon vjs should only be visable by the projections) or in the seating which you always get pissed people leaning over the powerbook, gesticulating with pint in hand- sketchy shit. the thekla in bristol’s wicked, its got a balcony over the dance floor just for lighting/projexnz.

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    General Lighting
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    Originally posted by USE
    You’re blatantly right about dv tapes being the easiest- i can promise with a 98% garauntee that i can get the tapes back i f u cant copy them (the 2% is your tape getting chewed up or lost in the post. i wouldn’t like the responsibility, but i can cope if you can.

    TBH I’d never send a camera original through the post if I could avoid it! (more out of fear of what the post/couriers could do to it…)

    The whole idea of DV is you can clone the tape without generation loss by using another DV deck, or provide an already edited or part-edited roll by capturing to computer and then printing back to DV. Those of you in college should be able to get access to facilities to clone DV tapes, or with a 1394 (firewire) cable even XP movie maker is supposed to be able to do this. (I say supposed as I haven’t experimented yet..)

    I’d suggest if people want to provide edited segments for other VJs put the correct header stuff such as bars and VT clock between each segment (if anyone wants these I can provide the files) or at least 30 seconds of black between each segment and a list of the time codes..

    #1063152
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    deltaX
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    dont know much about Vjing want to get into it though , and yes disc jokey does sound gay.

    #1063147
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    Anonymous

    to the loon: convicing people you need to bring anything to a rave except massive speakers and maybe some tunes, dont expect anyone to appreciate what your doing untill they get their heds round it (can take ages).

    luckily enough we have always used laptops, so little risk. if you bring simple things like a fold up table or a bit of mdf and a bit of tarpaulin, this can help convice people to risk their equip.

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    matthecat
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    arkaos is to vjing as reason is to music production ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    heheh sorry but had to say that after your vjamm bashing on sj ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜€

    but its true… if u know arkaos then it looks like arkaos

    i’m a vjammaniac

    not everyone’s cuppa tea obviously

    but it rules bigstylee

    USE we’ll have to hook up now that u r in b.right.on ๐Ÿ™‚

    squeak soon

    #1063148
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    yea to be fair, vjamm looked too difficult for little old me. i dont get computers. arkaos is gettin a bit predictable. if you wanna come to our night on the 2nd of feb, please do and enlighten me to your vjamming skills (no joke)

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    matthecat
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    sounds good, will c u at the soundsystem meeting in jan first ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ™‚

    #1063153
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    SilentEclipse
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    Hello, I am new to this forum and am also a VJ, losts of interesting things being discussed in this forum that I can totally relate to.

    ‘there’s a great free download for winamp called milkdrop which has 100’s of different syncopated visualisations of the music.’

    I know the guy that made that, although I have never used it myself, however there is a general feeling in the semi-pro vj community that VJs using winamp visualisations are downgrading the market, how can vjs justify their time and effort in creating original material in terms of payment when another vj will turn up and play winamp all night, I am not saying this is what you do, and personally I have never even seen a winamp visualisation, but this is the general feeling of some VJs.

    “CHAAANGE THE PAAATCH! EVERYONES LEEEEAVING THE DAAAAAANCE FLOOOOOOOOOOOR!”

    Reading that made me laugh soooo much, I do a fair amount of political VJing and I remember when I first started out I totally misjudged the tone of parties at times, people don’t want to see too much heavy shit when they are out having a good time, you can still be political but make it witty and entertaining and you will get a much better response.

    If any of you have heard of the vjs yeast then you should learn from them as they are the kings of the political and entertaining narrative Visuals see their website here http://www.yeastdirections.org.uk

    I agree that there should be more visuals at free parties but most VJs just do not want to risk bringing ยฃ10k’s worth of kit to a dodgy venue, however I will check out this suggestion ‘go searching on google and media techie boards for how freelance news crews operate (particularly those in war zones); they often they mention how they pack and protect their equipment at the frontline’ my day job is based in a broadcast news company so I will have a bit of a nose about wand talk to some of the camera men etc.

    Anyway keep it coming folks, is good to have the thing I love the most being discussed like this. ๐Ÿ™‚

    #1063154
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    easy people, just thought id bump the thread and ask if anyone has any recomended films or programs etc that i can search for.

    ive just got a new harddrive in my peice of shite machine, so at least i can extend my library somewhat. also have connection to dvd writer, so all good. im basically getting films, choppin the desired nuggets, storuing the whole film on disk and the samples on my drive.

    just got e-mule, and have been going a bit nuts, but have also started writing to people asking if i can use their work in my sets…i’ve been well suprised at the positive response ive had from even quite top people in america, all i had to do was play the scale of events down, and their social benefit up, bobs suddenly my uncle! is a releif to be able to use footage without feeling like a theif or whatever….

    does anyone know where i can find out about the legal implications of using copyrighted samples in vj clips? chaaaarrz

    #1063151
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    globalloon
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    i’m a bit of numpty when i comes to electronics, but check out the film you can download from http://www.nonom.co.uk

    there’s info about the hardware they use, as well as footage of the finished product

    pros, them beys

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    i_saw
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    dunno if ya use bittorrents but this website has loads of them allfor documentories, some interestin stuff if ya look thru.
    http://www.mvgroup.com
    altavista has a video search engine,can specify what format etc.
    http://www.altavista.com
    the resolumepage has a list of sources of video.
    http://www.resolume.com
    anyof you lot tried the program. its what i use. didntlikethe feel of arkaos or vjamm.
    did first gig ith a midibox at the weekend, difference is amazing. compared to a normallaptop controls, being able alter two parameter at same time, sounds simple but makes a hell of a difference. just stopped by how supple mafingers are!
    sambo

    #1063155
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    i_saw wrote:
    dunno if ya use bittorrents but this website has loads of them allfor documentories, some interestin stuff if ya look thru.
    http://www.mvgroup.com
    altavista has a video search engine,can specify what format etc.
    http://www.altavista.com
    the resolumepage has a list of sources of video.
    http://www.resolume.com
    anyof you lot tried the program. its what i use. didntlikethe feel of arkaos or vjamm.
    did first gig ith a midibox at the weekend, difference is amazing. compared to a normallaptop controls, being able alter two parameter at same time, sounds simple but makes a hell of a difference. just stopped by how supple mafingers are!
    sambo

    nice 1, midi controllers kick it, we have a keyboard with sliders, and i cant imagine not using it now. tell me more about resolume…

    #1063159
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    i_saw
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    its layer based which is the main difference, you got 3 layers to mix together at once. youhave8 banks of 20 to slect your layers from, the layerscanbevids or pics. loadsadifferent waysto mix the files together. and freeframe effectswhich are amazin plugins.
    off to get some kip late night
    laters

    #1063157
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    laughinboy
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    Check out http://www.meek.tv he’s proper bo I tell thee. It should have some show reels on there plus some footage of a night called Earwax we put on….

    #1063156
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    i was at big chill last weekend, and i was heartened to see that they are respecting the vjs. they had a whole double page in the programme on the various vjs there, and they had some wicked sets. bonobo played with vj vox, or box or summat and that was fucking sick. i dont know what he was using, but the video clips were well long but seemed to be triggered right on time.when i put long clips in, they take ages to trigger, but its not like i have a slow computer. i wish i knew what he was using. ive just got back into making my own animations (even if it is on sodding hi-8) and have come up with a few shots i really want to get.

    if matthecat reads this, im me ur number, ive lost me phone. if not see ya saturday?

    #1063142
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    matthecat
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    holler :alcoholic

    i did a vj set at the big chill last year… hated it heheh, took loads of shrooms to get over it :satisfied

    think i saw some meek visuals for fatboy on telly i think, looks good ๐Ÿ™‚

    number im’d

    matcat

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