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  • #1097931
    AvatarAnonymous
    Angel wrote:
    I agree..

    But you being angry with everyone don’t change anything..

    No..

    But try and make the scene there is now better..

    The whole world is changing, not only the partyscene

    Being angry is just another reaction like when 3 of us walked ito the marque where the prodgy were playing flinging bottles and cans at them “Shouting our culture is not for sale”. It got the mesage across the same as us rioting in Hyde Park and Downing st against the CJB sometimes actions speak louder than words, I can see the same thing happening at those squats in Denmark. We need a solid front sometimes not just aloadd of keted out ravers who only show up for raves leave there litter then go home till the next one.
    To some people its more than just a party its a whole life stile, people have given up there jobs gone on the road, squated & opted out of civy st and chosed a free life. People give there time and creativity for free for the love of it and to see people enjoy that creativity.

    You cant put a price on that!

    AHC Benny

    #1097944
    Avatarnoname
    Participant
    MrAHC wrote:
    Being angry is just another reaction like when 3 of us walked ito the marque where the prodgy were playing flinging bottles and cans at them “Shouting our culture is not for sale”. It got the mesage across the same as us rioting in Hyde Park and Downing st against the CJB sometimes actions speak louder than words, I can see the same thing happening at those squats in Denmark. We need a solid front sometimes not just aloadd of keted out ravers who only show up for raves leave there litter then go home till the next one.
    To some people its more than just a party its a whole life stile, people have given up there jobs gone on the road, squated & opted out of civy st and chosed a free life. People give there time and creativity for free for the love of it and to see people enjoy that creativity.

    You cant put a price on that!

    AHC Benny

    OK…. first off – before you get on a high horse and say I was 6 or whatever – I’ve been part of the free party scene since pretty much the start of “rave” culture (I often say the state of me is down to the Spirals – they changed the way I looked at lots of things:wink:), and have done the blood sweat and tears thing (still do in fact – I own a rig, and put parties on – rig built with own hands, and parties ‘cos I enjoy making people dance).

    The kind of shite you’re promoting is more to blame for the state of the party scene than any band can be – agro breeds agro (and yes, I demonstrated against the CJA before you ask).

    SIMPLE FACT – The police hold more power in this country than a bunch of ravers do.

    SIMPLE FACT #2 – throwing bottles at them and hurling abuse will give them all the reason they need to shut down any party we do.

    SIMPLE FACT #3 – The more often this is done, the more they can roll out the media image of ravers as a bunch of tossers, who don’t care what happens as long as they can have their fun….

    Actions do speak louder than words as you say. So how many free parties have you organised?
    It is a lifestyle for some, but there’s no way it can be for all. We all still have to live after all, and unless you have rich parents, you need to have a way to make the money needed to live.
    I remember free parties that Liam went to in the early nineties (didn’t get to any of them unfortunately, as they mostly happened around Essex, but had friends who did). The professional musician thing – Sorry, but that’s the kind of thing that you need to say when you are pro, and are getting media flak for promoting something that is illegal (see the Shamen and their answers to questions about Ebeneezer Goode:groucho:).

    Liam Howlett and the Prodigy have done more for the party scene than pretty much anyone else (excepting the Spirals, and possibly DIY), because they took the message to lots of people who never would have heard it otherwise. And they make bloody good music. As for selling the free party scene out – the only people who actually believe that are the ones who can’t see past the end of their own noses… The same people who make life difficult for those of us who are doing, by making the police and the general public hate us.

    Think about that next time you feel like rioting:you_crazy

    #1097932
    AvatarAnonymous

    How many partys I organised? Wouldnt like to put a figure on it but it’s landed me in jail before now and I’ve had injunctions served.

    We all have our own way of doing things the general public & police are never going to like us so why try, just keep out of there way and make sure sites are tidied up after (they shouldnt be in a mess in the first place).

    I’ve never said chuck stuff at the Old Bill at partys I just said we did it a a Prodigy gig for comments they made and battled wi the old bill at the CJB/A.

    I’ve been on the traveler, squater & party scene since spring 1993 prob about the same time as yourself maybe you got a few more years in I dont know.

    I certainly dont have rich parents where do you get that from? I work for myself selling antiques and scrap metal I’d never chage anyone for my music. I also play the Irish flute in pub sesions as well as dj. Oh I supose I’ve busked in the past but that was for donations rather than actualy charging.

    I also have my own rig built with my own hands its not been used for a few years but hope to get it to Europe this year. I was going to do some partys here but from what I’ve been reading on here I dont think I will. Its not the Old Bill I’m woried about but the party goers themselves. I’ll do a few wee ones on travelers sites maybe.

    I’m not here to justyfy myself I/we did what I/we thought was right, granted we was tanked up on Carlsberg Spesh Brew. Festivals should be free, partys should be free, life should be free.

    I’ll stand by what I’ve said “Free music for free people” See you on the baracades! or maybe I wont…

    #1097945
    Avatarnoname
    Participant
    MrAHC wrote:
    How many partys I organised? Wouldnt like to put a figure on it but it’s landed me in jail before now and I’ve had injunctions served.

    We all have our own way of doing things the general public & police are never going to like us so why try, just keep out of there way and make sure sites are tidied up after (they shouldnt be in a mess in the first place).

    I’ve never said chuck stuff at the Old Bill at partys I just said we did it a a Prodigy gig for comments they made and battled wi the old bill at the CJB/A.

    I’ve been on the traveler, squater & party scene since spring 1993 prob about the same time as yourself maybe you got a few more years in I dont know.

    I certainly dont have rich parents where do you get that from? I work for myself selling antiques and scrap metal I’d never chage anyone for my music. I also play the Irish flute in pub sesions as well as dj. Oh I supose I’ve busked in the past but that was for donations rather than actualy charging.

    I also have my own rig built with my own hands its not been used for a few years but hope to get it to Europe this year. I was going to do some partys here but from what I’ve been reading on here I dont think I will. Its not the Old Bill I’m woried about but the party goers themselves. I’ll do a few wee ones on travelers sites maybe.

    I’m not here to justyfy myself I/we did what I/we thought was right, granted we was tanked up on Carlsberg Spesh Brew. Festivals should be free, partys should be free, life should be free.

    I’ll stand by what I’ve said “Free music for free people” See you on the baracades! or maybe I wont…

    The rich parents thing – a general comment about the fact that it’s usually people who have nothing to lose that are happy to cause agro at parties when the old bll turn up (and btw – you’re wearing rose tinted specs wrt the old parties – I was there too, and I remember plenty cash being made in various ways that I won’t go into here for obvious reasons).

    The obvious question though – why should people pay for scrap metal or antiques, and not pay for music? Musicians have to live too…

    What’s a hobby to you (and me these days), is the way musicians put food on the table. You can rail all you want about capitalists etc, but that’s how the world is at the moment – even you have to make money to live after all….

    #1097933
    AvatarAnonymous
    noname wrote:
    The rich parents thing – a general comment about the fact that it’s usually people who have nothing to lose that are happy to cause agro at parties when the old bll turn up (and btw – you’re wearing rose tinted specs wrt the old parties – I was there too, and I remember plenty cash being made in various ways that I won’t go into here for obvious reasons).

    The obvious question though – why should people pay for scrap metal or antiques, and not pay for music? Musicians have to live too…

    What’s a hobby to you (and me these days), is the way musicians put food on the table. You can rail all you want about capitalists etc, but that’s how the world is at the moment – even you have to make money to live after all….

    Its not a hobby to me its a life, i might have taken a few years out for health reasons but my daughter still lives on the road and the festival scene. When the ravers have gone home were still out there. I might have chosen that life but I cant live in modernday society, ie 4 walls a job ect.

    You might be right about the rose tinted glasses as far as money making at festivals and partys. But still I/we never charged anyone to get in and Toxic Cafe only sold the best organic food the festival circit has ever seen :laugh_at: :laugh_at: :laugh_at: :laugh_at:

    #1097940
    AvatarBioTech
    Participant

    Sorry, I have to agree with MrAHC to a certain extent.

    I believe musicians should get paid for their productions (not to the level that a lot of dj’s do though) but the Prodigy did sell out and openly slated dance music, parties and dj’s at one point. That’s when I went off them as people, they got rich off the back of the rave scene and then left it behind when the money and fame started rolling in. They turned in to self obsessed twits.

    Doesn’t detract from their music though. Jilted & Experience are great albums, can’t say the same for the rest of their stuff I’m afraid, although I do like some bits and pieces.

    Musicians: Make money for yourself but never get so self absorbed that you believe you are more important than the scene and people that helped create you.

    #1097946
    Avatarnoname
    Participant
    MrAHC wrote:
    Its not a hobby to me its a life, i might have taken a few years out for health reasons but my daughter still lives on the road and the festival scene. When the ravers have gone home were still out there. I might have chosen that life but I cant live in modernday society, ie 4 walls a job ect.

    You might be right about the rose tinted glasses as far as money making at festivals and partys. But still I/we never charged anyone to get in and Toxic Cafe only sold the best organic food the festival circit has ever seen :laugh_at: :laugh_at: :laugh_at: :laugh_at:

    Interested how you take a year out of life…:weee: Might have to try that some time….:wink:

    Charging to get in isn’t the only of making money though, is it?

    And the question still stands wrt musicians… (having had to make a living as an engineer, I will always stick up for a musicians right to do the same):wink:

    #1097947
    Avatarnoname
    Participant
    BioTech wrote:
    Sorry, I have to agree with MrAHC to a certain extent.

    I believe musicians should get paid for their productions (not to the level that a lot of dj’s do though) but the Prodigy did sell out and openly slated dance music and dj’s at one point. That’s when I went off them as people, they got rich off the back of the rave scene and then left it behind when the money and fame started rolling in. They turned in to self obsessed twits.

    Doesn’t detract from their music though. Jilted & Experience are great albums, can’t say the same for the rest of their stuff I’m afraid, although I do like some bits and pieces.

    Musicians: Make money for yourself but never get so self absorbed that you believe you are more important than the scene and people that helped create you.

    Agree about the music (excepting firestarter, the latest albums have left me cold). Too much coke IMO…

    Doesn’t mean they didn’t do a lot for the scene though (and at the time they “sold out”, I can’t blame them to an extent – the scene was up it’s arse)…

    And bang on with the last bit…

    #1097934
    AvatarAnonymous
    noname wrote:
    Interested how you take a year out of life…:weee: Might have to try that some time….:wink:

    Charging to get in isn’t the only of making money though, is it?

    And the question still stands wrt musicians… (having had to make a living as an engineer, I will always stick up for a musicians right to do the same):wink:

    Its easy get yourself a smack habit, thats what I done and it was 3 years not 1.

    #1097948
    Avatarnoname
    Participant
    MrAHC wrote:
    Its easy get yourself a smack habit, thats what I done and it was 3 years not 1.

    Good to see you over it, and back on planet earth…:wink:

    #1097943
    AvatarquietRIOT
    Participant
    elretardo87 wrote:
    Its what musicians do.

    They start off underground then they move mainstream. I know everyone says they won’t but when theres a big fat check in front of your face then sometimes you think differently.

    Prodigy may be mainstream but think what they have done for the rave scene. They have sold out on the back of the scene, that is true. This has meant that a lot of young people who listen to the prodigy get their first taste of the “underground dance culture” which may then lead to them moving onto listening to more underground music or getting involved in partying.

    A lot of my friends have done just that….they listened to the prodigy as teenagers and now produce electronic music and have just invested in sound equiptment.

    You have to look at the bigger picture. This site is not just about free parties themselves but the culture behind them. To keep the party scene alive we need new blood and mainstream acts like the prodigy are a good initial point of contact.

    i agree totally ..an throwing bottles ..is bang out or order….

    #1097960
    Avatarmiss bassets
    Participant

    ya need to hav dignity in ur convictions, no1s gun pay ne attention to ur views if thas how ya go about puttin ur point across

    #1097935
    AvatarAnonymous

    You do things your way I’ll do things my way. End of…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouw5JqUv-08

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OOew1UAT3k

    #1097954
    AvatarAngel
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    #1097936
    AvatarAnonymous

    So you find the Battle of the Beanfield & evictions tiresome? Shame that the people who lost homes, familys & even lifes eventualy didnt.

    Time for me to leave this site, it’s not just a disco to some of us.

    #1097955
    AvatarAngel
    Moderator

    No..i’m tired and worried

    I have a friend in Copenhagen who right now is fighting his ass off to keep that house..He might even be in jail..I don’t know..

    But what I know is that he is out there fighting for what he believes in,not sitting in here moaning because things dont go his way..

    He still talks nice to people and don’t go around making everybody his enemy

    #1097941
    AvatarAcidfairy
    Participant

    No one is saying what happened there is tiresome Mr AHC.. what happened at the battle of the beanfields was attrocious alot of people suffered for what they believed in then. There is even a thread on it here on PV http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=17660

    There will always be people with differences of opinion that is what makes us all individual and what makes partyvibe what it is, somewhere for people to discuss matters and agree to disagree..

    MrAHC wrote:
    So you find the Battle of the Beanfield & evictions tiresome? Shame that the people who lost homes, familys & even lifes eventualy didnt.

    Time for me to leave this site, it’s not just a disco to some of us.

    #1097939
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    I have to say I can’t see the difference between MrAHC and friends disrupting a Prodigy concert (because they disagreed with the Prodigy’s commercial success) and the “leftie” activists disrupting the ballet because that BNP woman was there – an action which MrAHC was criticising.

    Quote:
    Like it or not we live in a democracy the balet nut job can be a member of whatever party she like and should be able to live free from harasment.

    this would surely also mean that the Prodigy also have the right in a free country to make a decision to work with the mainstream music industry without harrasment, however much anyone may disagree with their decision…

    We also have the option to protest by not buying records or not attending a performance if you do not like the performer, rather than creating a scene. Often this is way more effective.

    If an artists “sells out” and their content becomes too diluted people stop supporting them.

    I personally think that the Prodigy didn’t make any good tunes after 1992, so I stopped buying them.

    As for the CJA, it was beefed up in 2004 and can be (and is) increasingly used against “mainstream” licensed venues these days when there are violent incidents or even excessive tolerance of drug use, or even just “excessive noise”.

    These days even a “disco” – held in a licensed venue on a commercial basis – can be deemed subversive and shut down on the whim of a few coppers.

    Thats what we are all up against.

    #1097961
    Avatarmiss bassets
    Participant

    mr AHC ..nothin you fight for in this way is ever guna change for the beter no1 is ever guna listen to ur views if ya voice it the ways ya are, nothin is ever won with negitivity which u seem full of no offence, i had to sift thro the bitter quips n bk handed remarks in ur posts to find the actual points u are makin which are actually very valid 1’s even tho i dun agree with um all, i guess wot im tryin to say is its dam hard to respect ur opinions/arguements or ne1s for that matter wen they are put across like that

    i en the best at puttin wot i thinkin into words but i hope ya get the jist guy:love:

    #1097969
    AvatarTechno4yourhead
    Participant
    MrAHC wrote:
    You do things your way I’ll do things my way. End of…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouw5JqUv-08

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OOew1UAT3k

    Right.. so you’re off to throw some bottles at youtube now then?

    #1097962
    Avatarmiss bassets
    Participant

    bu yer ne ways wikid vid 🙂 they put on a dam gud show raaa

    #1097967
    Avatar20-DAV-06
    Participant
    elretardo87 wrote:
    Its what musicians do.

    They start off underground then they move mainstream. I know everyone says they won’t but when theres a big fat check in front of your face then sometimes you think differently.

    Prodigy may be mainstream but think what they have done for the rave scene. They have sold out on the back of the scene, that is true. This has meant that a lot of young people who listen to the prodigy get their first taste of the “underground dance culture” which may then lead to them moving onto listening to more underground music or getting involved in partying.

    A lot of my friends have done just that….they listened to the prodigy as teenagers and now produce electronic music and have just invested in sound equiptment.

    You have to look at the bigger picture. This site is not just about free parties themselves but the culture behind them. To keep the party scene alive we need new blood and mainstream acts like the prodigy are a good initial point of contact.

    That is word for word is how i got into this scene..this is how it went

    firestarter=prodigy=unhealthy obcession=the earlier stuff (experience)=more obcession=the biography=finding out about this “free party” scene=typing free party into google= me 2 years later :weee:

    #1097963
    AvatarMisterDuck
    Participant
    elretardo87 wrote:
    Prodigy may be mainstream but think what they have done for the rave scene. They have sold out on the back of the scene, that is true. This has meant that a lot of young people who listen to the prodigy get their first taste of the “underground dance culture” which may then lead to them moving onto listening to more underground music or getting involved in partying.

    this is true man, it can be a steppin stone

    i’m listenin to “No Good (Start the Dance)” now, i fuckin love it! i dont care if they were complete dicks, it’s the moosic i interested in

    shit am i fucked! ahha

    #1097964
    AvatarMisterDuck
    Participant
    General Lighting wrote:
    Thats what we are all up against.

    well said my friend, as i said in the other thread, defeatism grips a lot of us, but fuck that, stand against it

    but we gotta use our heads innit, throwin bottles n shit aint gonna solve anythin. we need to start gettin clever

    #1097937
    AvatarAnonymous
    boothy wrote:
    well said my friend, as i said in the other thread, defeatism grips a lot of us, but fuck that, stand against it

    but we gotta use our heads innit, throwin bottles n shit aint gonna solve anythin. we need to start gettin clever

    This argument is months and months old! There still wankers though. :groucho:

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