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  • #1050311
    AvatarTank Girl
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    Really really interesting series!

    Pavlov experiments etc and historical look at how behaviourial psychology evolved – with some pretty horrific and shocking experiments!!! :yakk:

    well worth a watch though on iplayer

    BBC iPlayer – The Brain: A Secret History: Mind Control

    #1234880
    AvatarTank Girl
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    :laugh_at:

    #1234872
    AvatarAnonymous

    Hi Tank Girl ,
    I just failed the selective test and missed the thing mentioned at the end lol …..thats mad i thought i was quite observant …..i guess im not lol

    regards
    Mungo

    #1234881
    AvatarTank Girl
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    :hopeless:

    #1234885
    AvatarHoneybear
    Participant

    That is so sad. Humans are so fucked

    #1234873
    AvatarAnonymous

    Hi Tank Girl ,
    So we are a product of our enviroment from when we grow up ? It’s all interesting stuff , bit scary that 2/3 of people delivered the fatal electric shock in that test …..even though it wasn’t real although they didn’t know that !!!

    regards
    Mungo

    #1234876
    AvatarClang
    Participant

    The elctric shock experiment (if I remember correctly) was originally designed following WW2 to demonstrate that Germans are more likely to kill people when ordered to than Americans… it turns out Americans are even more likely!!

    I love that attention test – I am doing a PhD on Attention at the mo and its a messy old subject with lots of unanswered questions.

    As for being a product of our environment… I’m afraid so. I wrote my undergraduate dissertation on Free Will, basically arguing that we have a certain amount of freedom to make decisions etc. The more I study now, the less I believe it. I think we just rewact to the environment without putting much thought into it. I used to think that if we try hard enough we can change the way we react, but now I wonder where the idea to change came from? You guessed it – our environment!!

    Aaaarrrgh!! I AM A ROBOT I AM A ROBOT I AM A ROBOT I AM A ROBOT I AM A ROBOT!!

    #1234882
    AvatarTank Girl
    Participant

    @TEK Tonic 417096 wrote:

    The elctric shock experiment (if I remember correctly) was originally designed following WW2 to demonstrate that Germans are more likely to kill people when ordered to than Americans… it turns out Americans are even more likely!!

    I love that attention test – I am doing a PhD on Attention at the mo and its a messy old subject with lots of unanswered questions.

    yeh – it was – and the response we have to ‘obeying authority’ – scarey stuff – there was also the prison environment one – will try and find it

    and your PHD sounds fascinating – hard work I bet! :group_hug

    #1234883
    AvatarTank Girl
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    #1234877
    AvatarClang
    Participant

    PhD’in ain’t easy ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I don’t torture monkeys or get people to do anything too distressing (just press keys on a keyboard in response to numbers on a screen for 2 hours at a time which is a bit draining!).

    Its hard work (particularly at the moment what with deadlines etc) but I am still enjoying it… mainly!

    #1234878
    AvatarClang
    Participant

    One of the lecturers where I study was involved in the BBC re-make of the prison experiment.

    Unfortunately I don’t rate it because they put TV cameras in there which changes everything. The original experiment is often cited as a serious break of ethics, but I don’t think we would know what we know if it wasn’t for the courage of his convictions. Getting teh BBC involved made the whole experiment a bit like Big Brother for scientists.

    The ethical considerations that are now in place are good and I agree with them and they keep people safe, but there are benefits to working outside of them.

    Its Health and Safety gone mad innit!

    Having said that, you should hear some of the stuff that goes on in our Uni in the name of Science (electric shocks, stressing people out, Trancranial Magnetic Stimulation)… and its all completely ethical!

    #1234874
    AvatarAnonymous

    Hi Tek Tonic ,
    I agree what you say , it’s good that there are more ethics now and that the more harsher experiments dont take place . However if the old ones were not done then would we have the knowledge that we have now , and because we do how many peoples lives have changed for the better ……loads i should imagine .

    Not to much different to surgens getting dead bodies dug up to open them up and see what the organs inside look like . It was illegal even back then but the knowledge that was learnt was invaluable to the surgeons understanding how things work .
    These Doctor/Professors were brave people as they must have known that they would be hated by most , yet the went ahead and did it for the benefit of many . That said it’s all fine unless your the one being experimented on :-O . There is that saying the need of the many out weigh the needs of the few , wether you agree or not the one thing that can’t be denied is people have since benifited from such experiments .

    Interesting stuff , yet scary to …..we all have an inner Hitler inside of us :-O …….or the opposite florence nightingale ……which one will you choose ? ๐Ÿ™‚

    regards
    Mungo
    ps florence nightingale i’d rather wear a nurse’s uniform than a Nazi uniform lol

    #1234884
    AvatarTank Girl
    Participant

    @the1log 417150 wrote:

    made me feel a bit queesy at times thought

    yeh –
    I was suprised I felt a bit queezy watching the brain ops,
    and I’ve watched loads of surgery (in the operating theatre) and really enjoy it!

    think it was because it was a brain and what might happen to the lady if it went wrong..

    #1234879
    AvatarClang
    Participant

    Agreed Mungo…. nurses are better than nazis!

    #1234875
    AvatarAnonymous

    i just finished the first half of my psychology course.. in the exam, i used harlow’s monkeys as evidence in about 40% of the questions ๐Ÿ˜€ the examiner is prolly thinking.. wow, this girl doesn’t know much about anything else.

    i just got onto the social psychology module, and we look at the electric shock study. i thought it was really interesting, i’d like to say i wouldn’t go that far and cause people harm but we never know.

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