Forums Music Speaker Plans Scoops or bins

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    stagyb
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    Basically im wanting to get my mate to build me some speakers but im debaiting between 18inch scoops or 1850 horns. I want to be playing things like hard house, jungle, drum and bass, hardtek, dubstep but i want something which sounds really nice. Just wondering what people thought would quite happpily get scoops for dubstep, jungle.

    http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=simon1850

    http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=dom18sc

    Which should i get?

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    joshd96320
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    well youve got some quite different genres there.

    18 scoops good for: jungle,dnb. the design of this scoops means it has a bit of a slower attack and has a very unique sound as apparently it distorts some frequiencies or something, so yeah it sounds good. personally i have a scoop fetish.
    1850 better for hardtek / H-house, as imo its more punchy.

    dubsteP; well you might aswell just buy a shit phone with speakers, record a really long fart. now pull your trousers down to your knees, fasten your belt so they stay there and walk around town as closely resembling a cripple as you can, replaying your fart on the shit phone, and wearing a flatpeak backwards.

    in conclusion, might aswell get the 1850s, since theyre the most balanced over all genres. they can handle dnb / jungle

    i just like to put my willy in scoops

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    damo666
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    @joshd96320 380266 wrote:

    i just like to put my willy in scoops

    Good man:laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:

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    joshd96320
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    @damo666 380274 wrote:

    Good man:laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:

    :laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:

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    p0ly
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    @joshd96320 380266 wrote:

    well youve got some quite different genres there.

    18 scoops good for: jungle,dnb. the design of this scoops means it has a bit of a slower attack and has a very unique sound as apparently it distorts some frequiencies or something, so yeah it sounds good. personally i have a scoop fetish.
    1850 better for hardtek / H-house, as imo its more punchy.

    dubsteP; well you might aswell just buy a shit phone with speakers, record a really long fart. now pull your trousers down to your knees, fasten your belt so they stay there and walk around town as closely resembling a cripple as you can, replaying your fart on the shit phone, and wearing a flatpeak backwards.

    in conclusion, might aswell get the 1850s, since theyre the most balanced over all genres. they can handle dnb / jungle

    i just like to put my willy in scoops

    :laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:
    sounds about right on the dubstep front

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    joshd96320
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    @p0ly 380279 wrote:

    :laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:
    sounds about right on the dubstep front

    :love:

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    stagyb
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    I agree on the idea of scoops as they look ace. Anyone built any or got any pics they can post on?

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    joshd96320
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    sound is most important though

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    bryonbond
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    @joshd96320 380266 wrote:

    you might aswell just buy a shit phone with speakers, record a really long fart, pull your trousers down to your knees, fasten your belt so they stay there and walk around town as closely resembling a cripple as you can, replaying your fart on the shit phone, and wearing a flatpeak backwards.

    LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL

    #1224986
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    cheeseweasel
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    Scoops were traditionally what all the Jamaican dub sound systems used for bass. They do look fucking cool, but tend to sound sluggish, so aren’t great for music with fast bass like house and techno. Dnb and dubstep tend to have slow, halftime bass patterns so you can maybe get away with them if that’s all you play. I think the reason dnb/jungle systems often use scoops is a lot to do with the music’s dub roots.

    If you’re going to be playing house on the system, personally I wouldn’t go with scoops.

    The best subs I’ve heard have just been a box with 2×18″s in them, no fancy horns or ports, just really well-designed and with good quality drivers.

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    1984
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    God I had no idea speakers could be so complex, I thought a speaker was a speaker, then suddenly someone mentions drivers and scoops!

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    joshd96320
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    @1984 380336 wrote:

    God I had no idea speakers could be so complex, I thought a speaker was a speaker, then suddenly someone mentions drivers and scoops!

    😉

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    @cheeseweasel 380333 wrote:

    Scoops were traditionally what all the Jamaican dub sound systems used for bass. They do look fucking cool, but tend to sound sluggish, so aren’t great for music with fast bass like house and techno. Dnb and dubstep tend to have slow, halftime bass patterns so you can maybe get away with them if that’s all you play. I think the reason dnb/jungle systems often use scoops is a lot to do with the music’s dub roots.

    If you’re going to be playing house on the system, personally I wouldn’t go with scoops.

    The best subs I’ve heard have just been a box with 2×18″s in them, no fancy horns or ports, just really well-designed and with good quality drivers.

    +1

    These days we have drivers that can take serious high power, and the way to get the best sound out of them is a simple ported cab (ported because it means the box size doesn’t become ludicrously large). Scoops and horns add colouration by reinforcing a particular frequency in an unnatural way – was good for reggae rigs back when high power meant a few hundred watts, as the music benefited from that particular kind of reinforcement in the bass, but nowadays you’re better off designing a rig that can handle any music type, and then using an EQ to get the particular sound you want.

    We have a pair of 2×18 ported cabs designed for the particular drivers we used (colossus xb), and they’ll make your teeth rattle. They take 1200-1800 watts each box, and will take a peak of about 5KW raaa.

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    KDW32
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    1850 horns only really get good when you have 4 or more especially of your playing bassline heavy music.. have a search on speaker plans for horn coupling for more info. Also make sure you use the correct driver i.e the Precision Device 1850 although I have heard people have had good results with a void v18 c driver. again have a search on speaker plans.

    Scoops are fine but they are HUGE and a lot less efficient than a group of horns.

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