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  • #1042963
    cathdreadhead
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      Just seen this…:you_crazy:hopeless:

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      School to track pupils with radio chips sewn into their uniforms
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      Last updated at 15:06pm on 23rd November 2007 commentIconSm.gif Comments (31)
      KidScanGUZ_228x345.jpgTeacher Andy Stewart scans a pupil from Hungerhill School, Doncaster

      Children are to be tracked in school via radio chips sewn into their uniforms.
      The manufacturer is marketing the Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) surveillance system nationwide, following a trial with 19 pupils at Hungerhill School in Doncaster this year.
      The chip is embroidered into school uniforms using conductive ‘smart threads’. A teacher can then scan these to view the pupil’s identity, photo, whether they misbehaved in lessons and their school attendence record.
      Hungerhill headteacher Graham Wakeling said the pilot was “not intrusive to the pupil in the slightest” because tracking would not go beyond the school’s gates.
      However, the chip has drawn criticism from civil liberties groups. David Clouter, from LeaveThemKidsAlone, a campaign group, was appalled by the idea.
      “To put this in a school badge is complete and utter surveillance of the children. Tagging is what we do to criminals we let out of prison early,” he said.
      The chips were developed by Danrbro Ltd, which was set up by Andy Stewart, an ICT teacher at Hungerhill School, and a school uniform company.
      Schools could fit scanners to doors or give teachers hand-held scanners to identify pupils entering or exiting rooms.
      Darnbro siad their product can “trace a pupil’s every step during the school day” and that the system can be set up to limit access to doors, such as shutting the main doors of a school to pupils during classtime.
      Mr Stewart, 36, said the system would cost about £2000 for a small primary school and up to £14,000 for an average-sized secondary, according to the Times Educational Supplement.
      The Department for Children, Schools and Families supports the use of electronic registration to improve safety and security and reduce truancy.

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      #1125435
      JonnyQuest
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        i wish theyd done this while i was at school so i could have ripped it out of my clothes and screamed punk rock lyrics at the teachers, that would have been sweet

        #1146367
        JonnyQuest
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          i wish theyd done this while i was at school so i could have ripped it out of my clothes and screamed punk rock lyrics at the teachers, that would have been sweet

          #1125429
          globalloon
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            i run an organisation that, among other things, does inclusion work.. that is working with pupils who are at risk of exclusion from school.

            a growing trend i have noticed is parents pulling their children out of school before they get excluded so that it doesn’t go on their permanent record. these are often families without the resources to provide home education. when this happens, agencies like ours, who are able to provide alternative education can no longer intervene as the conduit / channel of communication is cut

            this kind of scheme will mean more of the most vulnerable children will miss out on more

            a stupid scheme dreamt up by wnakers

            #1146360
            globalloon
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              i run an organisation that, among other things, does inclusion work.. that is working with pupils who are at risk of exclusion from school.

              a growing trend i have noticed is parents pulling their children out of school before they get excluded so that it doesn’t go on their permanent record. these are often families without the resources to provide home education. when this happens, agencies like ours, who are able to provide alternative education can no longer intervene as the conduit / channel of communication is cut

              this kind of scheme will mean more of the most vulnerable children will miss out on more

              a stupid scheme dreamt up by wnakers

              #1125436
              JonnyQuest
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                globalloon wrote:
                i run an organisation that, among other things, does inclusion work.. that is working with pupils who are at risk of exclusion from school.

                a growing trend i have noticed is parents pulling their children out of school before they get excluded so that it doesn’t go on their permanent record. these are often families without the resources to provide home education. when this happens, agencies like ours, who are able to provide alternative education can no longer intervene as the conduit / channel of communication is cut

                this kind of scheme will mean more of the most vulnerable children will miss out on more

                a stupid scheme dreamt up by wnakers

                i got a whole load of temporary exclusions in years where it doesnt matter if u work or not being excluded was brillaint , i got excluded for bunking once which i didnt see the sense behind didnt matter about your permanent record because this is south east london and every school here is awful, but tagging kids is not on really takes the fun out of not going to lessons if they can track you like a canadian goose

                #1146368
                JonnyQuest
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                  globalloon wrote:
                  i run an organisation that, among other things, does inclusion work.. that is working with pupils who are at risk of exclusion from school.

                  a growing trend i have noticed is parents pulling their children out of school before they get excluded so that it doesn’t go on their permanent record. these are often families without the resources to provide home education. when this happens, agencies like ours, who are able to provide alternative education can no longer intervene as the conduit / channel of communication is cut

                  this kind of scheme will mean more of the most vulnerable children will miss out on more

                  a stupid scheme dreamt up by wnakers

                  i got a whole load of temporary exclusions in years where it doesnt matter if u work or not being excluded was brillaint , i got excluded for bunking once which i didnt see the sense behind didnt matter about your permanent record because this is south east london and every school here is awful, but tagging kids is not on really takes the fun out of not going to lessons if they can track you like a canadian goose

                  #1125431
                  MisterDuck
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                    what the fuck?!?! taggin kids? i thought our school was bad with security guards/complete spiked fencing and cameras in every block and most classrooms, but this is another level!

                    surely there’s a fucking law against this?

                    #1146362
                    MisterDuck
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                      what the fuck?!?! taggin kids? i thought our school was bad with security guards/complete spiked fencing and cameras in every block and most classrooms, but this is another level!

                      surely there’s a fucking law against this?

                      #1125426
                      General Lighting
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                        they were trying to do this in the 1980s, but the technology for the tagging/tracking was too expensive.

                        My old high school had experimented with a pupil database and electronic registers for some classes (back in 1987 or thereabouts) but by the time I cracked the security on it the project appeared to have already been abandoned..

                        #1146357
                        General Lighting
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                          they were trying to do this in the 1980s, but the technology for the tagging/tracking was too expensive.

                          My old high school had experimented with a pupil database and electronic registers for some classes (back in 1987 or thereabouts) but by the time I cracked the security on it the project appeared to have already been abandoned..

                          #1125432
                          MisterDuck
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                            General Lighting wrote:
                            they were trying to do this in the 1980s, but the technology for the tagging/tracking was too expensive.

                            My old high school had experimented with a pupil database and electronic registers for some classes (back in 1987 or thereabouts) but by the time I cracked the security on it the project appeared to have already been abandoned..

                            they introduced an electronic timetable mid-way through year 10 in my school… i can remember exactly when they sorted out the teething problems, as when returning to our next lesson, admin staff were there with a smug look on their face telling us “you ain’t getting away with it any more”

                            but thats the thing, cos it does actually work. sure, we all know its a loada bollocks, but to people who think we should clampdown on anythin and everythin, it works.

                            BromCom our register was called. before when paper registers were used, they may find out you were bunking off a couple of lessons, but 90% of the ones we missed we were fine. of course with an electronic register it flashes “[names of who’s missing] are not in lesson, they are registered here today” etc. and at the next lesson you get dragged out and busted. and if we missed an entire afternoon thinkin they wudnt bust us – they came and pulled us off our school bus, kept us after school.

                            now the cameras are fucking scary, you cant do anything. it seriously is a case of “shut up and do what you’re told”. i reckon every kid needs a bit of messin around, its just natural innit. but you cant do that shit anymore. on our last day we cut the wires of 3 cameras tho, every little helps innit

                            we wudnt have stood for it back at school but 95% would have, so we’d have had no choice really. either do it or fuck off.

                            the people on that daily mail site are even slaggin it off. i dont get who supports it – the DM is proper Tory, and they hate it. the lefties certainly wudnt support it.

                            what the fuuuuck

                            #1146363
                            MisterDuck
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                              General Lighting wrote:
                              they were trying to do this in the 1980s, but the technology for the tagging/tracking was too expensive.

                              My old high school had experimented with a pupil database and electronic registers for some classes (back in 1987 or thereabouts) but by the time I cracked the security on it the project appeared to have already been abandoned..

                              they introduced an electronic timetable mid-way through year 10 in my school… i can remember exactly when they sorted out the teething problems, as when returning to our next lesson, admin staff were there with a smug look on their face telling us “you ain’t getting away with it any more”

                              but thats the thing, cos it does actually work. sure, we all know its a loada bollocks, but to people who think we should clampdown on anythin and everythin, it works.

                              BromCom our register was called. before when paper registers were used, they may find out you were bunking off a couple of lessons, but 90% of the ones we missed we were fine. of course with an electronic register it flashes “[names of who’s missing] are not in lesson, they are registered here today” etc. and at the next lesson you get dragged out and busted. and if we missed an entire afternoon thinkin they wudnt bust us – they came and pulled us off our school bus, kept us after school.

                              now the cameras are fucking scary, you cant do anything. it seriously is a case of “shut up and do what you’re told”. i reckon every kid needs a bit of messin around, its just natural innit. but you cant do that shit anymore. on our last day we cut the wires of 3 cameras tho, every little helps innit

                              we wudnt have stood for it back at school but 95% would have, so we’d have had no choice really. either do it or fuck off.

                              the people on that daily mail site are even slaggin it off. i dont get who supports it – the DM is proper Tory, and they hate it. the lefties certainly wudnt support it.

                              what the fuuuuck

                              #1125427
                              General Lighting
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                                boothy wrote:
                                they introduced an electronic timetable mid-way through year 10 in my school… i can remember exactly when they sorted out the teething problems, as when returning to our next lesson, admin staff were there with a smug look on their face telling us “you ain’t getting away with it any more”

                                just because our Western countries don’t have overt population control doesn’t mean that every child born is loved and valued by society.

                                Kids are farmed these days, just like animals are. They are expected to be developed to a certain standard and within a certain time frame, those who do not fit in (unless they have supportive parents who are able to put in the extra time/resources required) are eventually dumped on the scrap heap.

                                #1146358
                                General Lighting
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                                  boothy wrote:
                                  they introduced an electronic timetable mid-way through year 10 in my school… i can remember exactly when they sorted out the teething problems, as when returning to our next lesson, admin staff were there with a smug look on their face telling us “you ain’t getting away with it any more”

                                  just because our Western countries don’t have overt population control doesn’t mean that every child born is loved and valued by society.

                                  Kids are farmed these days, just like animals are. They are expected to be developed to a certain standard and within a certain time frame, those who do not fit in (unless they have supportive parents who are able to put in the extra time/resources required) are eventually dumped on the scrap heap.

                                  #1125433
                                  MisterDuck
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                                    General Lighting wrote:
                                    just because our Western countries don’t have overt population control doesn’t mean that every child born is loved and valued by society.

                                    Kids are farmed these days, just like animals are. They are expected to be developed to a certain standard and within a certain time frame, those who do not fit in (unless they have supportive parents who are able to put in the extra time/resources required) are eventually dumped on the scrap heap.

                                    barely any kids are loved and valued by society

                                    but teachers tend to be some of the most supportive people ever, my headteacher was very much “throw them on the scrapheap” like you say but a lotta teachers were safe as

                                    it may explain why he was headteacher and the others were not

                                    goin back to my other point, who gives these schemes support? the DM tory lot hate it, the lefties hate it…

                                    #1146365
                                    MisterDuck
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                                      General Lighting wrote:
                                      just because our Western countries don’t have overt population control doesn’t mean that every child born is loved and valued by society.

                                      Kids are farmed these days, just like animals are. They are expected to be developed to a certain standard and within a certain time frame, those who do not fit in (unless they have supportive parents who are able to put in the extra time/resources required) are eventually dumped on the scrap heap.

                                      barely any kids are loved and valued by society

                                      but teachers tend to be some of the most supportive people ever, my headteacher was very much “throw them on the scrapheap” like you say but a lotta teachers were safe as

                                      it may explain why he was headteacher and the others were not

                                      goin back to my other point, who gives these schemes support? the DM tory lot hate it, the lefties hate it…

                                      #1125428
                                      General Lighting
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                                        boothy wrote:
                                        goin back to my other point, who gives these schemes support? the DM tory lot hate it, the lefties hate it…

                                        Bear in mind the comments on a newspapers net forum are often from the “opposition” rather than the core readership (who are prepared to spend money to read the newspaper) – the Grauniad’s “comment” forums are full of right-wingers..

                                        There is plenty of support for these schemes from the traditional Conservative wing. To them it is a triumph for social conservatism and private enterprise (the teacher has set up his own private company to provide these systems to other schools)

                                        if I were in high school today, I would find out what protocol the chips used, and create other random signals that would confuse the system, or stray data injected into the LAN would make it difficult to use the database 😉 – but unlike the 80s’ you’d actually get arrested, and I bet that kids aren’t taught in their ICT properly about how the technology really works..

                                        #1146359
                                        General Lighting
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                                          boothy wrote:
                                          goin back to my other point, who gives these schemes support? the DM tory lot hate it, the lefties hate it…

                                          Bear in mind the comments on a newspapers net forum are often from the “opposition” rather than the core readership (who are prepared to spend money to read the newspaper) – the Grauniad’s “comment” forums are full of right-wingers..

                                          There is plenty of support for these schemes from the traditional Conservative wing. To them it is a triumph for social conservatism and private enterprise (the teacher has set up his own private company to provide these systems to other schools)

                                          if I were in high school today, I would find out what protocol the chips used, and create other random signals that would confuse the system, or stray data injected into the LAN would make it difficult to use the database 😉 – but unlike the 80s’ you’d actually get arrested, and I bet that kids aren’t taught in their ICT properly about how the technology really works..

                                          #1125434
                                          MisterDuck
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                                            unfortunately not, in ict kids are taught how to make stuff bold

                                            tbh tho the kids i knew at school who had the know-ho to do that would have supported the idea of chippin pupils…

                                            #1146366
                                            MisterDuck
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                                              unfortunately not, in ict kids are taught how to make stuff bold

                                              tbh tho the kids i knew at school who had the know-ho to do that would have supported the idea of chippin pupils…

                                              #1125430
                                              coastie
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                                                I think with allot of these civil liberties issues, the single case or issue in question, like this one, is on its own not like a massive coup or anything. So quite often its allowed to happen. But when you have 100’s or 1000’s of these tiny changes and infringments on our rights and liberties over a long period of time, you suddenly one day find yourself in a situation where they’ve all culminated to produce a very nasty situation.

                                                #1146361
                                                coastie
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                                                  I think with allot of these civil liberties issues, the single case or issue in question, like this one, is on its own not like a massive coup or anything. So quite often its allowed to happen. But when you have 100’s or 1000’s of these tiny changes and infringments on our rights and liberties over a long period of time, you suddenly one day find yourself in a situation where they’ve all culminated to produce a very nasty situation.

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