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    Dj Massie
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      good morning,

      Im dj-ing, i play vinyl only and the recording goes direct to the line-in of my soundcart
      who knows if nero 14 Platinum is suitable on an higher bitrate >> 128 Kbit?

      my PC will be a 4gig 64bit machine.

      and in what kind of format should i record it (Wav?)

      gr massie

      #1276649
      General Lighting
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        wav, 44k 16 bits or above (even if it is later transcoded to MP3, but beware that the end MP3 is correct format (44k and 16 bits) as not all radio playout software likes other formats.

        what is very important when using vinyl is correct sound level. Surface noises and scratches can make a strong signal, which although is filtered by analogue equipment, can get into digital recordings and cause clipping/overload. That sounds very bad!

        to avoid this, record your mix first at EBU studio level – so that on your analogue DJ mixer, the level meter with 0dBu analogue is corresponding to -18dBFS on your digital recording equipment. Your maximum peak level when mixing (including scratches, surface noise) should be around -10dBFS and not get above -6dBFS.

        you can get a free loudness meter from Orban, this shows peak value and loudness, is very useful for monitoring what a mix sounds like at the listeners end. Also for about €14 you can get an on screen peak meter to EBU standard (-60dBFS to 0dBFS) which looks just like those big ones on the EELA and DHD desks at Hilversum (and is a fair bit cheaper).

        If you are then uploading the pre-recorded mix elsewhere and remote listeners say it is “quiet”, then you can use some soundprocessing software to raise the levels to a peak of -1dbTP (true peak at the listeners equipment), but be careful here not to remove your dynamic range (mixture between quiet and loud sounds).

        It is bery easy to get confused with digital and analogue audio levels especially if you are older and grew up in analogue days, I moved from vinyl mixing to digital 3 years ago (as the genres I like aren’t released on vinyl, and I have no space for analogue decks) and it took me some time to work this out myself, in spite of once being a broadcast engineer who configured equipment that the BBC, NOS Hilversum and other national broadcasters used.

        #1276650
        General Lighting
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          I forgot the link for the meter software, it is here. You can get British ones and Eurometers (EBU digital or analogue). The sound mixer for Doctor Who uses a computerised version of the British ones for his system.

          Audio Level Meter

          I’ve already got a British radio studio desk with real PPM meters so I use the digital Eurometer for monitoring main output (as the PPMs will follow the prefade).

          This picture below from a station in Groningen shows where the confusion happens. It is an analogue desk with an analogue Eurometer, and on these you are allowed to go a bit more into the red sector. (if the presenter pushes it too far, soundprocessing will force the level back down again, which is perhaps why both the level of the mixer program output and the zendlijn (studio to transmitter audio circuit) levels are shown.

          I think its a community station, and they must have a few Euros to spend on all that!

          On a digital recording system, this should never happen, as you are then causing a big risk of clipping and distortion, especially when the recording is later made into MP3. The best meter to use is a digital Eurometer (-60dbFS to 0dbFS)

          Incidentally I’ve heard that older analogue EELA and D&R desks are sold off quite cheaply in the Netherlands, to the point where even teenagers can afford them (all they need to do is find someone with a small van to shift them). If you are planning on doing live radio or other production( they tend to be good production mixers as well), these are worth getting hold of for your home studio (if you can find space to fit them in!)

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