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    @MisterDuck 368006 wrote:

    If British life has changed for the worst than do we not need to actively fight that change? I don’t think suspending civil liberties is a progressive way of doing that!

    there is a much wider issue with regard to the combined effects of the war, economic depression and the environmental factors. the civil liberties of good times come secondary to this. Incidentally a UK State of Emergency does not ever remove the right to strike, nor introduce conscription or forced labour. Its imposition would be more of a symbolic gesture to make it clear to the British population that it is time to put aside all political differences and work together.

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    Extreme right wingers are less of a threat now I reckon. Come on, they are not as bad as National Front days as a mass force are they?

    the gang days have mostly gone but only because of CCTV, the surveillance society and “politically correct” cops and more ethnic minority officers. What you do however have since the 1990s is “lone wolfs” creating viable IEDs and in some cases detonating them. IED’s are of course difficult and dangerous to make, so much more common is low level criminal damage and intimidation against ethnic owned businesss. Its still not completely uncommon for a “Paki shop” to get its windows repeatedly bricked, and even burned out and closed down in places like North Norfolk / Cambs, and in Thetford a few years back there was an amateurish but determined attempt to blow up the Portugese.

    Yes there are less overt racists. There is a lot more silent and bitter hate than 20/30 years ago, as people know its no longer the done thing to be openly racist, but it doesn’t change their real views.

    These people are mostly all talk, imo.

    Not in SE England, although to be fair the real violence occurs amongst their own communities so if you are white or even if you are Asian and not of the combating religions you are left alone, and there are also gangs which aren’t strictly defined by religions.

    There is plenty happening amongst British Asian gangs to keep metpol and TVP busy, but a lot is just recorded as “normal crime/violence” rather than racially/religiously motivated stuff. Used to hear loads on the scanner in the 2000s, some of lads involved were at my high school. At least they kept it to “normal crime” and not al-quaeda stuff.

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    animal rights campaigners and eco warriors are ex-football hooligans?! really?

    not the fluffy idealistic young ladies or uni educated men but in the 90s a lot of the ones a few years older then me infiltrated the groups to step up the fighting and militancy. I saw this happen with my own eyes particulary on the Newbury protests and other high profile ones, some blamed it on a “conspiracy” but the reality was that they were muscling in on the associated drugs/party scene. Most of them eventually got nicked and sent down though and todays eco groups are slightly smarter because deep down they know the cops have the power in the end and are backed by the majority of the people when it comes down to stupid things like attacking active power stations.

    i’m undecided as to whether this is a bad thing or not. its more likely to be cause by economic deprivation and mass after 8 years of a tory government, admittedly started by new labour.

    would it change your mind if say you accidentally parked up your car in a place where a riot sparked off and some muppets burned it out and used it as barricade? Insurance companies don’t always pay out in the event of riots (there’s a get out clause in a lot of policies)

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    since when were those areas ever multicultural socialist paradises? was the 1981 brixton riots not because of economic deprivation, mass unemployment, racial tensions and police abuse i.e. the swoop operation?

    they never were, but the people taking matters into their own hands made things worse. The met basically abandoned these areas to the local gangs (the same ones what did the bulk of the rioting) and things got worse. The other issue is that I don’t think society realises how fucking angry the men of my age group are becoming (its something I’ve noticed in recent violent crime reports and the profiles of the attackers).

    Now of course I don’t want to go and punch a Muslim or burn their business or start a riot as I have a good job, a house, a loving family and loads of real life friends and online community friends. there is absoutely no point in me doing stuff like that and spending my time in HMP and losing all the good stuff in life.

    But what about a man what has never had all these good things and is now approaching middle age, or someone who had them and lost them and maybe already done time and doesn’t care about going back in? Add this to the pissed off younger lads and maybe the real threat becomes apparent.

    #1150792
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
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    @MisterDuck 368006 wrote:

    If British life has changed for the worst than do we not need to actively fight that change? I don’t think suspending civil liberties is a progressive way of doing that!

    there is a much wider issue with regard to the combined effects of the war, economic depression and the environmental factors. the civil liberties of good times come secondary to this. Incidentally a UK State of Emergency does not ever remove the right to strike, nor introduce conscription or forced labour. Its imposition would be more of a symbolic gesture to make it clear to the British population that it is time to put aside all political differences and work together.

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    Extreme right wingers are less of a threat now I reckon. Come on, they are not as bad as National Front days as a mass force are they?

    the gang days have mostly gone but only because of CCTV, the surveillance society and “politically correct” cops and more ethnic minority officers. What you do however have since the 1990s is “lone wolfs” creating viable IEDs and in some cases detonating them. IED’s are of course difficult and dangerous to make, so much more common is low level criminal damage and intimidation against ethnic owned businesss. Its still not completely uncommon for a “Paki shop” to get its windows repeatedly bricked, and even burned out and closed down in places like North Norfolk / Cambs, and in Thetford a few years back there was an amateurish but determined attempt to blow up the Portugese.

    Yes there are less overt racists. There is a lot more silent and bitter hate than 20/30 years ago, as people know its no longer the done thing to be openly racist, but it doesn’t change their real views.

    These people are mostly all talk, imo.

    Not in SE England, although to be fair the real violence occurs amongst their own communities so if you are white or even if you are Asian and not of the combating religions you are left alone, and there are also gangs which aren’t strictly defined by religions.

    There is plenty happening amongst British Asian gangs to keep metpol and TVP busy, but a lot is just recorded as “normal crime/violence” rather than racially/religiously motivated stuff. Used to hear loads on the scanner in the 2000s, some of lads involved were at my high school. At least they kept it to “normal crime” and not al-quaeda stuff.

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    animal rights campaigners and eco warriors are ex-football hooligans?! really?

    not the fluffy idealistic young ladies or uni educated men but in the 90s a lot of the ones a few years older then me infiltrated the groups to step up the fighting and militancy. I saw this happen with my own eyes particulary on the Newbury protests and other high profile ones, some blamed it on a “conspiracy” but the reality was that they were muscling in on the associated drugs/party scene. Most of them eventually got nicked and sent down though and todays eco groups are slightly smarter because deep down they know the cops have the power in the end and are backed by the majority of the people when it comes down to stupid things like attacking active power stations.

    i’m undecided as to whether this is a bad thing or not. its more likely to be cause by economic deprivation and mass after 8 years of a tory government, admittedly started by new labour.

    would it change your mind if say you accidentally parked up your car in a place where a riot sparked off and some muppets burned it out and used it as barricade? Insurance companies don’t always pay out in the event of riots (there’s a get out clause in a lot of policies)

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    since when were those areas ever multicultural socialist paradises? was the 1981 brixton riots not because of economic deprivation, mass unemployment, racial tensions and police abuse i.e. the swoop operation?

    they never were, but the people taking matters into their own hands made things worse. The met basically abandoned these areas to the local gangs (the same ones what did the bulk of the rioting) and things got worse. The other issue is that I don’t think society realises how fucking angry the men of my age group are becoming (its something I’ve noticed in recent violent crime reports and the profiles of the attackers).

    Now of course I don’t want to go and punch a Muslim or burn their business or start a riot as I have a good job, a house, a loving family and loads of real life friends and online community friends. there is absoutely no point in me doing stuff like that and spending my time in HMP and losing all the good stuff in life.

    But what about a man what has never had all these good things and is now approaching middle age, or someone who had them and lost them and maybe already done time and doesn’t care about going back in? Add this to the pissed off younger lads and maybe the real threat becomes apparent.

    #1130728
    AvatarMisterDuck
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    @DJCliffy 368010 wrote:

    Were the fascist UAF there? I wonder whose side they will choose if the Islam4uk march does goes ahead.

    The EDL have already said they will counter any march so it’s interesting to see where the UAF stands in all this.

    yes they were. the UAF is not really fascist, i know what point you’re getting at though. that element comes from a dominance within UAF from the Socialist Workers Party, which unfortunately they kind-of nullify the “unite” part of it.

    if the UAF had any sense they will stay right out of this. that way people would see that it is one set of extremists, islam4uk, against another: EDL.

    #1165958
    AvatarMisterDuck
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    @DJCliffy 368010 wrote:

    Were the fascist UAF there? I wonder whose side they will choose if the Islam4uk march does goes ahead.

    The EDL have already said they will counter any march so it’s interesting to see where the UAF stands in all this.

    yes they were. the UAF is not really fascist, i know what point you’re getting at though. that element comes from a dominance within UAF from the Socialist Workers Party, which unfortunately they kind-of nullify the “unite” part of it.

    if the UAF had any sense they will stay right out of this. that way people would see that it is one set of extremists, islam4uk, against another: EDL.

    #1130729
    AvatarMisterDuck
    Participant

    @General Lighting 368012 wrote:

    there is a much wider issue with regard to the combined effects of the war, economic depression and the environmental factors. the civil liberties of good times come secondary to this. Incidentally a UK State of Emergency does not ever remove the right to strike, nor introduce conscription or forced labour. Its imposition would be more of a symbolic gesture to make it clear to the British population that it is time to put aside all political differences and work together.[/quote]

    hmmm. i’m not convinced. maybe i’m thinking principles instead of pragmatism, but then i don’t often believe in an end justifying the means.

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    the gang days have mostly gone but only because of CCTV, the surveillance society and “politically correct” cops and more ethnic minority officers. What you do however have since the 1990s is “lone wolfs” creating viable IEDs and in some cases detonating them. IED’s are of course difficult and dangerous to make, so much more common is low level criminal damage and intimidation against ethnic owned businesss. Its still not completely uncommon for a “Paki shop” to get its windows repeatedly bricked, and even burned out and closed down in places like North Norfolk / Cambs, and in Thetford a few years back there was an amateurish but determined attempt to blow up the Portugese.

    Yes there are less overt racists. There is a lot more silent and bitter hate than 20/30 years ago, as people know its no longer the done thing to be openly racist, but it doesn’t change their real views.

    yeah that is true, my extended family is from grimsby, and they have had a huge problem with racially motivated attacks against turkish businesses in particular. the reasons behind this imo though is that it is a working-class area that had its industry systematically destroyed throughout the tory era and community was shattered and left to internal violence.

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    Not in SE England, although to be fair the real violence occurs amongst their own communities so if you are white or even if you are Asian and not of the combating religions you are left alone, and there are also gangs which aren’t strictly defined by religions.

    There is plenty happening amongst British Asian gangs to keep metpol and TVP busy, but a lot is just recorded as “normal crime/violence” rather than racially/religiously motivated stuff. Used to hear loads on the scanner in the 2000s, some of lads involved were at my high school. At least they kept it to “normal crime” and not al-quaeda stuff.

    of course, but i don’t think is a recent thing at all. ok so arguably there has been a rise in british asian organised crime and street gangs, but i’d say theres been a decrease in african carribean involvment. same racism, same economic struggle, different minority.

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    not the fluffy idealistic young ladies or uni educated men but in the 90s a lot of the ones a few years older then me infiltrated the groups to step up the fighting and militancy. I saw this happen with my own eyes particulary on the Newbury protests and other high profile ones, some blamed it on a “conspiracy” but the reality was that they were muscling in on the associated drugs/party scene. Most of them eventually got nicked and sent down though and todays eco groups are slightly smarter because deep down they know the cops have the power in the end and are backed by the majority of the people when it comes down to stupid things like attacking active power stations.

    what seems strange on that front is that football casuals are mostly associated with the far-right. which is fairly incompatible with eco/animal rights stuff. obviously there is not a political conflict, but excuse my stereotype but i cant see any firm lads i’ve experienced having much sympathy for those sorts of campaigns.

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    would it change your mind if say you accidentally parked up your car in a place where a riot sparked off and some muppets burned it out and used it as barricade? Insurance companies don’t always pay out in the event of riots (there’s a get out clause in a lot of policies)

    i don’t know really, i probably wouldnt blame the rioters. i still have a view that mostly tensions boiling over are a result of the governments failure rather than the people being antagonistic. im not sure whether to condone riots but i have a certain amount of sympathy if the inequality in your area is that extreme and you feel powerless. tensions rise, prevention is better than cure.

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    they never were, but the people taking matters into their own hands made things worse. The met basically abandoned these areas to the local gangs (the same ones what did the bulk of the rioting) and things got worse. The other issue is that I don’t think society realises how fucking angry the men of my age group are becoming (its something I’ve noticed in recent violent crime reports and the profiles of the attackers).

    Now of course I don’t want to go and punch a Muslim or burn their business or start a riot as I have a good job, a house, a loving family and loads of real life friends and online community friends. there is absoutely no point in me doing stuff like that and spending my time in HMP and losing all the good stuff in life.

    But what about a man what has never had all these good things and is now approaching middle age, or someone who had them and lost them and maybe already done time and doesn’t care about going back in? Add this to the pissed off younger lads and maybe the real threat becomes apparent.

    i don’t think there is a large number of younger lads, i don’t know about middle aged people but from the young people i know or have known from all different backgrounds, i can’t say its a significant threat. i know nasty thuggish people who openly support the BNP but these are no different to the far-right hooligans of the past, and are probably in decline as more opportunities are being offered.

    #1165960
    AvatarMisterDuck
    Participant

    @General Lighting 368012 wrote:

    there is a much wider issue with regard to the combined effects of the war, economic depression and the environmental factors. the civil liberties of good times come secondary to this. Incidentally a UK State of Emergency does not ever remove the right to strike, nor introduce conscription or forced labour. Its imposition would be more of a symbolic gesture to make it clear to the British population that it is time to put aside all political differences and work together.[/quote]

    hmmm. i’m not convinced. maybe i’m thinking principles instead of pragmatism, but then i don’t often believe in an end justifying the means.

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    the gang days have mostly gone but only because of CCTV, the surveillance society and “politically correct” cops and more ethnic minority officers. What you do however have since the 1990s is “lone wolfs” creating viable IEDs and in some cases detonating them. IED’s are of course difficult and dangerous to make, so much more common is low level criminal damage and intimidation against ethnic owned businesss. Its still not completely uncommon for a “Paki shop” to get its windows repeatedly bricked, and even burned out and closed down in places like North Norfolk / Cambs, and in Thetford a few years back there was an amateurish but determined attempt to blow up the Portugese.

    Yes there are less overt racists. There is a lot more silent and bitter hate than 20/30 years ago, as people know its no longer the done thing to be openly racist, but it doesn’t change their real views.

    yeah that is true, my extended family is from grimsby, and they have had a huge problem with racially motivated attacks against turkish businesses in particular. the reasons behind this imo though is that it is a working-class area that had its industry systematically destroyed throughout the tory era and community was shattered and left to internal violence.

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    Not in SE England, although to be fair the real violence occurs amongst their own communities so if you are white or even if you are Asian and not of the combating religions you are left alone, and there are also gangs which aren’t strictly defined by religions.

    There is plenty happening amongst British Asian gangs to keep metpol and TVP busy, but a lot is just recorded as “normal crime/violence” rather than racially/religiously motivated stuff. Used to hear loads on the scanner in the 2000s, some of lads involved were at my high school. At least they kept it to “normal crime” and not al-quaeda stuff.

    of course, but i don’t think is a recent thing at all. ok so arguably there has been a rise in british asian organised crime and street gangs, but i’d say theres been a decrease in african carribean involvment. same racism, same economic struggle, different minority.

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    not the fluffy idealistic young ladies or uni educated men but in the 90s a lot of the ones a few years older then me infiltrated the groups to step up the fighting and militancy. I saw this happen with my own eyes particulary on the Newbury protests and other high profile ones, some blamed it on a “conspiracy” but the reality was that they were muscling in on the associated drugs/party scene. Most of them eventually got nicked and sent down though and todays eco groups are slightly smarter because deep down they know the cops have the power in the end and are backed by the majority of the people when it comes down to stupid things like attacking active power stations.

    what seems strange on that front is that football casuals are mostly associated with the far-right. which is fairly incompatible with eco/animal rights stuff. obviously there is not a political conflict, but excuse my stereotype but i cant see any firm lads i’ve experienced having much sympathy for those sorts of campaigns.

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    would it change your mind if say you accidentally parked up your car in a place where a riot sparked off and some muppets burned it out and used it as barricade? Insurance companies don’t always pay out in the event of riots (there’s a get out clause in a lot of policies)

    i don’t know really, i probably wouldnt blame the rioters. i still have a view that mostly tensions boiling over are a result of the governments failure rather than the people being antagonistic. im not sure whether to condone riots but i have a certain amount of sympathy if the inequality in your area is that extreme and you feel powerless. tensions rise, prevention is better than cure.

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    they never were, but the people taking matters into their own hands made things worse. The met basically abandoned these areas to the local gangs (the same ones what did the bulk of the rioting) and things got worse. The other issue is that I don’t think society realises how fucking angry the men of my age group are becoming (its something I’ve noticed in recent violent crime reports and the profiles of the attackers).

    Now of course I don’t want to go and punch a Muslim or burn their business or start a riot as I have a good job, a house, a loving family and loads of real life friends and online community friends. there is absoutely no point in me doing stuff like that and spending my time in HMP and losing all the good stuff in life.

    But what about a man what has never had all these good things and is now approaching middle age, or someone who had them and lost them and maybe already done time and doesn’t care about going back in? Add this to the pissed off younger lads and maybe the real threat becomes apparent.

    i don’t think there is a large number of younger lads, i don’t know about middle aged people but from the young people i know or have known from all different backgrounds, i can’t say its a significant threat. i know nasty thuggish people who openly support the BNP but these are no different to the far-right hooligans of the past, and are probably in decline as more opportunities are being offered.

    #1131320
    AvatarGiantMidget
    Participant

    @MisterDuck 368038 wrote:

    yes they were. the UAF is not really fascist, i know what point you’re getting at though. that element comes from a dominance within UAF from the Socialist Workers Party, which unfortunately they kind-of nullify the “unite” part of it.

    if the UAF had any sense they will stay right out of this. that way people would see that it is one set of extremists, islam4uk, against another: EDL.

    This thing ain’t really got anything to do with the EDL, They’ve just jumped on the bandwagon tbh.

    They’re trying to hijack the issue by saying they’ll defend WB from the extremists. Of course they wouldn’t be allowed anywhere near it.

    I hope the UAF do denounce Islam4UKs proposed march. They truly seem to have a one sided view of what fascism really is. For them It seems only white English males can be fascist. :you_crazy

    #1167146
    AvatarGiantMidget
    Participant

    @MisterDuck 368038 wrote:

    yes they were. the UAF is not really fascist, i know what point you’re getting at though. that element comes from a dominance within UAF from the Socialist Workers Party, which unfortunately they kind-of nullify the “unite” part of it.

    if the UAF had any sense they will stay right out of this. that way people would see that it is one set of extremists, islam4uk, against another: EDL.

    This thing ain’t really got anything to do with the EDL, They’ve just jumped on the bandwagon tbh.

    They’re trying to hijack the issue by saying they’ll defend WB from the extremists. Of course they wouldn’t be allowed anywhere near it.

    I hope the UAF do denounce Islam4UKs proposed march. They truly seem to have a one sided view of what fascism really is. For them It seems only white English males can be fascist. :you_crazy

    #1129121
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
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    @MisterDuck 368040 wrote:

    hmmm. i’m not convinced. maybe i’m thinking principles instead of pragmatism, but then i don’t often believe in an end justifying the means.

    its got to the point where you have to be pragmatic, beyond what yours or my personal principles are.

    Even if we totally disagree with the war or the concept of it we are all morally obliged to support the troops as however flawed the battle plan is we are responsible for putting them there. Simply by existing in a modern oil hungry consumer society, and especially in a hedonistic group like the drugs/rave culture what encourages travel by car or plane on a whim we are all as guilty of fuelling this bitter war without end as all the politicians and business owners we claim to despise.

    We also need to keep our country and community relatifvely safe, and mobs of people going around fighting each other whatever their reasons simply isn’t acceptable, whether its bitter racial/religious conflicts or 6 lads in a local shopping centre.

    There is no bright side here, not until the war ends, our troops come back and community cohesion returns to even a fraction of what it was 10 years ago. It may permanently damage our country, and even our own local communities, but such is the cost of war.

    I appreciate its hard to deal with as none of our generations have had a global war in our lifetimes – especially one where the enemy has managed to brainwash citizens of their opponents to carry out terrorism on home ground instead of easily repelled conventional invasion techniques.

    I’d suggest if you have older relatives who are prepared to talk about the war and how they coped talk to them (I do appreciate many are now unwell and no longer want to remember as flashbacks exacerbate illnesses such as dementia) – failing that visit your library when you can and check out the local studies section.

    if you don’t think the war is “that bad” consider that most of the dead UK soldiers and taliban all have young kids, in 10 years time a lot of them kids might be joining their nations army to avenge the death of their parents. if the war has stopped (there is no guarantee of this) these youths will still want their revenge. I think the UK only really collectively stopped hating Germans about 10-20 years ago and even recently (2006) a German family in Newcastle was forced out of their home with wartime taunts!

    #1150793
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @MisterDuck 368040 wrote:

    hmmm. i’m not convinced. maybe i’m thinking principles instead of pragmatism, but then i don’t often believe in an end justifying the means.

    its got to the point where you have to be pragmatic, beyond what yours or my personal principles are.

    Even if we totally disagree with the war or the concept of it we are all morally obliged to support the troops as however flawed the battle plan is we are responsible for putting them there. Simply by existing in a modern oil hungry consumer society, and especially in a hedonistic group like the drugs/rave culture what encourages travel by car or plane on a whim we are all as guilty of fuelling this bitter war without end as all the politicians and business owners we claim to despise.

    We also need to keep our country and community relatifvely safe, and mobs of people going around fighting each other whatever their reasons simply isn’t acceptable, whether its bitter racial/religious conflicts or 6 lads in a local shopping centre.

    There is no bright side here, not until the war ends, our troops come back and community cohesion returns to even a fraction of what it was 10 years ago. It may permanently damage our country, and even our own local communities, but such is the cost of war.

    I appreciate its hard to deal with as none of our generations have had a global war in our lifetimes – especially one where the enemy has managed to brainwash citizens of their opponents to carry out terrorism on home ground instead of easily repelled conventional invasion techniques.

    I’d suggest if you have older relatives who are prepared to talk about the war and how they coped talk to them (I do appreciate many are now unwell and no longer want to remember as flashbacks exacerbate illnesses such as dementia) – failing that visit your library when you can and check out the local studies section.

    if you don’t think the war is “that bad” consider that most of the dead UK soldiers and taliban all have young kids, in 10 years time a lot of them kids might be joining their nations army to avenge the death of their parents. if the war has stopped (there is no guarantee of this) these youths will still want their revenge. I think the UK only really collectively stopped hating Germans about 10-20 years ago and even recently (2006) a German family in Newcastle was forced out of their home with wartime taunts!

    #1143846
    Avatar1984
    Participant

    Anxiety sucks. I miss having friends and I miss being able to leave the house without being scared to hell. Life is crap. That is all.

    #1176877
    Avatar1984
    Participant

    Anxiety sucks. I miss having friends and I miss being able to leave the house without being scared to hell. Life is crap. That is all.

    #1129122
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @1984 368197 wrote:

    Anxiety sucks. I miss having friends and I miss being able to leave the house without being scared to hell. Life is crap. That is all.

    whilst I wouldn’t say I’m “scared” as such since moving away from Reading I’ve found myself going from visiting friends every other day to all my mates being miles and miles away and also having busy lifes. not so bad in summer as I can cycle to visit them

    Also all my local mates are now half my age and I get paranoid that cops and even the younger people wonder “why does this old dude still go raving and hang around with “kids”, he should be married/settled down, is he a dealer or just a wierdo?”

    I know it wasn’t suposed to matter on the party scene and its not so bad in the countryside but the cops since 2006 are always seeing dodgy people my age group prey on the youth so you can’t blame them for spreading the fear, so I’ve been drifting away frmo people a bit…

    #1150796
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @1984 368197 wrote:

    Anxiety sucks. I miss having friends and I miss being able to leave the house without being scared to hell. Life is crap. That is all.

    whilst I wouldn’t say I’m “scared” as such since moving away from Reading I’ve found myself going from visiting friends every other day to all my mates being miles and miles away and also having busy lifes. not so bad in summer as I can cycle to visit them

    Also all my local mates are now half my age and I get paranoid that cops and even the younger people wonder “why does this old dude still go raving and hang around with “kids”, he should be married/settled down, is he a dealer or just a wierdo?”

    I know it wasn’t suposed to matter on the party scene and its not so bad in the countryside but the cops since 2006 are always seeing dodgy people my age group prey on the youth so you can’t blame them for spreading the fear, so I’ve been drifting away frmo people a bit…

    #1131321
    AvatarGiantMidget
    Participant

    @1984 368197 wrote:

    Anxiety sucks. I miss having friends and I miss being able to leave the house without being scared to hell. Life is crap. That is all.

    Shit man that sucks. How long you been like this? Why not learn a martial arts or something like that, get a bit of confidence in yourself mate.

    Are you fearful of other people or is it just being outside in general?

    #1167148
    AvatarGiantMidget
    Participant

    @1984 368197 wrote:

    Anxiety sucks. I miss having friends and I miss being able to leave the house without being scared to hell. Life is crap. That is all.

    Shit man that sucks. How long you been like this? Why not learn a martial arts or something like that, get a bit of confidence in yourself mate.

    Are you fearful of other people or is it just being outside in general?

    #1143877
    Avatar1984
    Participant

    @DJCliffy 368217 wrote:

    Shit man that sucks. How long you been like this? Why not learn a martial arts or something like that, get a bit of confidence in yourself mate.

    Are you fearful of other people or is it just being outside in general?

    fearful of people the outside world and everything in it. Have real trouble going to sainsburys on my own and iv been going to it for 6 years.

    #1176963
    Avatar1984
    Participant

    @DJCliffy 368217 wrote:

    Shit man that sucks. How long you been like this? Why not learn a martial arts or something like that, get a bit of confidence in yourself mate.

    Are you fearful of other people or is it just being outside in general?

    fearful of people the outside world and everything in it. Have real trouble going to sainsburys on my own and iv been going to it for 6 years.

    #1143926
    Avatar1984
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    ps just to rub salt into the woods bioshock just crashed and i need to replay 2 hours worth or throw it away. God hates me. I hate him.

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    ps just to rub salt into the woods bioshock just crashed and i need to replay 2 hours worth or throw it away. God hates me. I hate him.

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    @1984 368219 wrote:

    fearful of people the outside world and everything in it. Have real trouble going to sainsburys on my own and iv been going to it for 6 years.

    Right mate you need to learn a martial art called Krav maga.

    I’ve done two private lessons so far and it really is the bollocks. It will give you self confidence which i think sounds like it would be just the thing for you.

    Once you’ve learnt to defend yourself the outside world won’t seem like that much of a threat. 😉

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    @1984 368219 wrote:

    fearful of people the outside world and everything in it. Have real trouble going to sainsburys on my own and iv been going to it for 6 years.

    Right mate you need to learn a martial art called Krav maga.

    I’ve done two private lessons so far and it really is the bollocks. It will give you self confidence which i think sounds like it would be just the thing for you.

    Once you’ve learnt to defend yourself the outside world won’t seem like that much of a threat. 😉

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    @1984 368219 wrote:

    fearful of people the outside world and everything in it. Have real trouble going to sainsburys on my own and iv been going to it for 6 years.

    I sort of have this problem, I fucking hate going into any kind of shop these days, even stuff I used to like such as gadget/computer shops.

    in my case not so much fear, I’m not exactly frightened (even if I may come across as nervous) but the whole fucking consumer thing pisses me off and I want to do inappropriate stuff like knocking over displays, making animal noises etc, riding a trolly reckelssly down the aisles but I know this will just get me sectioned..

    might not be anything wrong with you, just the atmosphere in the town and you being sensitive to it. thats what I think it is with me and I just force myself to do it now and then..

    #1150798
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    @1984 368219 wrote:

    fearful of people the outside world and everything in it. Have real trouble going to sainsburys on my own and iv been going to it for 6 years.

    I sort of have this problem, I fucking hate going into any kind of shop these days, even stuff I used to like such as gadget/computer shops.

    in my case not so much fear, I’m not exactly frightened (even if I may come across as nervous) but the whole fucking consumer thing pisses me off and I want to do inappropriate stuff like knocking over displays, making animal noises etc, riding a trolly reckelssly down the aisles but I know this will just get me sectioned..

    might not be anything wrong with you, just the atmosphere in the town and you being sensitive to it. thats what I think it is with me and I just force myself to do it now and then..

    #1132495
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    we should meet up 1984!!

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