February 23, 2014 at 7:11 am #1057896
had got brand new router (Draytek 2860n) via work account all ready for FFTC install on Tuesday…. But unusally this looks like a duff one, it goes into reset loop and looses its WLAN 😥 Got 3 days off next week (BT arriving Tuesday) and was hoping to have this Draytek ready but even if I did connect it I’m not 100% sure how reliable these are (shame, as nearly every other piece of Draytek kit I’ve selected is rock solid).
Luckily had under test a WI-FI access point (cheap one from CPC) and even better still there was a “spare” a Zyxel USG100 firewall router (it had been planned for giving residents wifi access but was sat in the rack unconnected as no one had quite worked out how to set it up), and as these are not deployed on active service I can borrow them for a while until this project comes on stream.
I can set my cheap ASDL router into modem mode, and supply credentials to it via PPPoE, this goes to WAN1 of the USG 100. there are a shit ton of extra LAN ports on there, two separate LANS, a DMZ and a EXT WLAN to plug the access point into.
Only problem is the manual for this router is 1153 pages in English, I’ve got the whole printout on the floor of my bedroom in a ring binder, it just fits in, the advanced setting manual for my previous router ( to explan how to make it just a modem) seems to be only available in German, and I did find more concise tips for the Zyxel series in Dutch! Been working on this damn setup solid since part of Friday evening and much of Saturday, which is why I am still awake at this hour.
So far I’ve got it with all the wired stuff on LAN1 192.168.1/24, and the WLAN on 10.59.0.0/24, and set all the internal firewall/routes so the portable devices can see the fixed ones, including the NAS and printer on the gigabit network and I think I might even finally understand subnets, so I’m a bit happier now.
hopefully on Tuesday all I need to do is plug the British Telecom box into WAN1 rather than my ADSL router and all willl be good) (although this kind of setup (which would easily serve enough kit for a high school or college) might be complete overkill even by my standards :laugh_at:)February 23, 2014 at 8:03 am #1278569AngelModerator
I did wonder why you have been so quiet all week-end, but that explain it. 🙂
Just the thought having to go through a manual like that make my head spinningFebruary 23, 2014 at 10:39 am #1278563Anonymous
1153 pages for a router. That’s got to be some kind of record.February 23, 2014 at 1:07 pm #1278566
when I first saw the PDF I thought “no problem, about 25% of it will be in English, and the rest in other languages like all the other kit you get these days”. But it was 1153 pages in English!
the device itself weighs 1.2 kilos (it is in a good solid metal case). The manual (lever arch binder included, as without it the contents would scatter everywhere) weighs in at 2.9 kilos (nearly the max weight of the small scale). And is physically way larger than the gateway.
It is a very nice piece of kit (my work had obtained it two years ago at some discount when FTTC was supposed to be deployed), but it didn’t get a great deal of operational use due to the delays in rollout meaning we had to continue with legacy ADSL products, you can’t turn off half the network in a old peoples home whilst trying to get a router to work without not just working late evenings but puttinng the whole place into emergency mode (red phones etc) as the phone system is VOIP..
For those who might complain about the “complex” Draytek UI, this is 10 times harder. TBH this kit its approaching the capabilities of an edge router you might find in a Telephone Exchange.
As the Draytek was purchased via my employers account these is a good chance that when it gets replaced with a working one (it seems to be a very simple issue probably do to with the PSU not being strong enough) I might just redeploy it for less critical use at another site out in the sticks (our largest one) when FTTC does finally get rolled out and keep this USG for my home (which also serves as test lab for new kit (and where I recover obsolete stuff and re-use it for the studio :laugh_at:)
I was going to pay back the cost of the Draytek but a 2 year old USG would be about the same price anyway, and advise my employers to get another Zyxel for the comms rack at this site, as it would be perfect for allowing patients and staff to use their smartphones, Android equipment etc, whilst giving more security/priority to more critical stuff that is there – this site has grown loads and its not uncommon for the older Draytek in the comms rack there to lock solid and have to be rebooted.
For the techies here this is the device. It is Taiwanese, but the EU headquarters appear to be in Denmark 😉February 23, 2014 at 2:45 pm #1278564Anonymous
Funny. What does FTTC stand for exactly?February 23, 2014 at 7:19 pm #1278567
Fibre to the Cabinet – instead of the ADSL circuit being delivered on a copper pair at the local Telephone Exchange (often taking bizzare routes along 1970s era cable with many splices), a fibre circuit is provided from the Telephone Exchange to various street cabinets, in the UK often conveniently located next to the existing green cabinets which contain loads of 237 blocks that are used to connect the cables in the ground to peoples houses either via other underground cables or overhead dropwire.
the cabinet looks like this inside
this is a 237 krone block
at the LHS the fibre is terminated and equipment converts it into multiples of 24 PSTN (analogue telephone) and VDSL ( fast broadband) circuits. it normally takes its power from the 230V street lighting circuit, and a PSU converts it to -48 VDC, but at the bottom are (hopefully!) some accus that are charged by the -48 VDC and should keep this going if the mains power fails.
on the RHS are yet more krone blocks, which is where the circuits from the line cards end up on. They would be connected via jumper wire and tie cables to the existing green box and from there to the customers premises.
So the copper circuit is only about 1.5 km max rather than 3km or more and higher frequency data resulting in faster broadband speeds is possible.
The BT Openreach engineer changes the faceplate of the master socket, tests the circuit and leaves you with a modem that has to be connected via a router capable of PPPoE WAN connections, which I have already set up, so hopefully on Tuesday it should just be a matter of swapping the WAN cable over.
I expect I will now have to run 230V “red mains” from one of the UPS units to the front of the house to power the Openreach kit, as it needs to be near the master socket and have power.
At least I’ve got plenty of mains cable and already got a safe route planned (150mm clear of the network cable)February 23, 2014 at 7:24 pm #1278565Anonymous
Ok in this country were calling that Fibre to the Node as opposed to Fibre to the Premise. And as I said this country’s policy is a shambles. The previous government was committed to FTTP and the current one FTTP almost universally which public opinion is overwhelmingly behind. Current studies show it’s superior benefit for little extra cost but what we’re getting is a messy mix of FTTN, wireless, satellite, HFC and other solutions which cannot be upgraded cost effectively.February 23, 2014 at 7:33 pm #1278568
@Dr Bunsen 561511 wrote:
Ok this country were calling that Fibre to the Node as opposed to Fibre to the Premise.
They may use similar terminology in Singapore and Malaysia for those flats in tower blocks and other multiple occupancy places, as the fibre would go to a service cupboard and from there also containing the DSLAMs and other associated kit, and copper circuits then get provided to the buildings (a mixture of VDSL or Ethernet and the phone being provided via VOIP) or in some cases the coax cable for existing cable TV services is used.
The use of this sort of green street cabinet is perhaps a “quaint British” type thing as it dates back from the time of the General Post Office (as does much of the existing copper wiring!).
British Telecom evaluated VDSL back in 2001. I recently read a blog from the Singapore hackerspace, and they had two FTTP circuits provided from Singtel (100MB for each one) 😉March 9, 2014 at 1:30 am #1278570DaftFaderParticipant
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