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  • #1244471
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    UKPR0
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    Fuck Macs man..

    I’ve been using FL Studio for around 4 years and it’s such a good program! Get some VST plugins like NI Massive and Nexus, and you can make many genres of music that sound great.

    People are always putting FL down, but that’s because they used it for 5 minutes and couldn’t get used to the layout.

    It’s easy to use, intuitive and best of all – Cheap!

    Download a demo version, watch some tutorials on Youtube – and see what you think.

    An attempt at dirty-ish dubstep –
    [SC]http://soundcloud.com/synkope/excess-preview-update[/SC]

    And something a bit more chilled out –
    [SC]http://soundcloud.com/synkope/synkope-memory[/SC]

    #1244452
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    Clusterfrog
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    I made music on a PC for 5 years. You get tired of their tomfoolery eventually.

    #1244438
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    DaftFader
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    @daftfader 452186 wrote:

    I use KRK Rocket 8 G2’s, not the best, but for the price range a clear head and shoulders above the rest.

    @!sinner69! 452188 wrote:

    I got Yamaha hs80m, its the same range but I have added a Yamaha hs 10w sub on the set, I am very happy my nextdoors never is at home…. πŸ˜€

    The yam’s seem better for music production, and the krk’s better for music listening … wanna swap? :laugh_at:

    #1244414
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    General Lighting
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    @clusterfrog 454048 wrote:

    I made music on a PC for 5 years. You get tired of their tomfoolery eventually.

    if you select the correct components PC’s can be robust – and for the price of most macs you can buy two PCs though – use one for music (and don’t fuck about with the settings unecessarily!) and keep the other one for work stuff / games / anything else… if you share the drives or use a NAS then you can share the music across them..

    A lot of my mates use Macs and I can see the appeal of them but since the late 1990s I’ve always felt you paid a big price premium for the convenience. Also last time I used my mates Mac I managed to crach the thing hard whilst running some combined digital / analogue synth he had (required full power cycling).

    #1244453
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    Clusterfrog
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    Cant be arsed, built my last PC with the help of someone who had done it many times before and it was still a fucking disaster. Still have to patch it up occasionally. The graphics card was the last thing to go a couple of weeks ago. New graphics card has driver problems. And so on.

    I’d be happy to do all this if I wasn’t a producer but when you’re working on a track with 100 channels and plugins on each one you need something solid as a rock.

    I know PCs have come a long way since windows 7 and are a lot more stable then they used to be but they still require maintenance and customisation, which is great if you want a flexible computer and are happy to be a tekky, but I have to do that shit all day at work. I don’t have time for any bullshit in the evenings and I’ve got the money so I’ll happily pay through the nose for the convenience of something that works out of the box and doesn’t fuck around. Also you can’t get Metasynth on the PC which is a deal breaker.

    #1244454
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    Clusterfrog
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    Also, after grudgingly getting one for production I found out the operating system is actually really nice and a joy to use. Now the missus wants one πŸ˜› Hence why they say ‘once you go mac there’s no going back’

    I can see why people whinge about the high price and fad ‘style’ of apple products, but believe me I could get one for half the price that wasn’t shiny and compact I would

    #1244415
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    General Lighting
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    @clusterfrog 454091 wrote:

    Cant be arsed, built my last PC with the help of someone who had done it many times before and it was still a fucking disaster. Still have to patch it up occasionally. The graphics card was the last thing to go a couple of weeks ago. New graphics card has driver problems. And so on.

    I’d be happy to do all this if I wasn’t a producer but when you’re working on a track with 100 channels and plugins on each one you need something solid as a rock. I know PCs have come a long way since windows 7 and are a lot more stable then they used to be but they still require maintenance and customisation, which is great if you want a flexible computer and are happy to be a tekky, but I have to do that shit all day at work.[/quote]

    To be fair most of my audio/video work is straight mixing of 2 channel content or basic video editing – ironically work is one reason why i use PC kit, as i get to keep all the obsolete or decomissioned stuff, plus I can get anything at trade prices provided I pay the company back. Also my background is more in broadcast AV and they increasingly use PC’s there (even some edit suites are PC based, as are many smaller radio stations).

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    I don’t have time for any bullshit in the evenings and I’ve got the money so I’ll happily pay through the nose for the convenience of something that works out of the box and doesn’t fuck around. Also you can’t get Metasynth on the PC which is a deal breaker.

    TBH some years ago I very nearly bought a mac laptop from some dude second hand as it had 1394 and they have a nice in built video capture/editing software and I was all ready to cycle into town and hand over the cash but the chap decided to keep it….

    #1244416
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    General Lighting
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    @clusterfrog 454095 wrote:

    Also, after grudgingly getting one for production I found out the operating system is actually really nice and a joy to use. Now the missus wants one πŸ˜› Hence why they say ‘once you go mac there’s no going back’

    I can see why people whinge about the high price and fad ‘style’ of apple products, but believe me I could get one for half the price that wasn’t shiny and compact I would

    its based on various 1980s/1990s era Unix workstations which (like the Lisa/Mac) were designed from the start with a GUI. One thing the late Steve Jobs deserves credit for is making that sort of stuff (relatively) affordable…

    To be fair if I was buying a top range laptop I’d consider a macbook rather than the more expensive Sony or Toshiba models as my mates have them and they do have some decent photo and video editing software built in, earlier this year I took a load of pics at my mates house and transferred them to their mac and was impressed by that lightbox application..

    Just had a look at a Mac Pro for video editing but Β£1600 for the cheapest is a bit on the heavy side for me!

    #1244455
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    Clusterfrog
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    I’m tempted to get a PC laptop just for playing out live (which I require much less from, mostly playing WAV files) and more importantly playing Diablo 3 when it comes out πŸ˜› Macs are shit for games really and I don’t have a games machine any more, gave my PC to the missus (the worst part is she gets to use it but I still have to maintain it!).

    Through work I can get an 8 core, 16 gig ram, 1TB solid state HD sony viao laptop with a decent graphics card for Β£700! Talk about pimped out! πŸ˜€

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    p0ly
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    @clusterfrog 454103 wrote:

    I’m tempted to get a PC laptop just for playing out live (which I require much less from, mostly playing WAV files) and more importantly playing Diablo 3 when it comes out πŸ˜› Macs are shit for games really and I don’t have a games machine any more, gave my PC to the missus (the worst part is she gets to use it but I still have to maintain it!).

    Through work I can get an 8 core, 16 gig ram, 1TB solid state HD sony viao laptop with a decent graphics card for Β£700! Talk about pimped out! πŸ˜€

    Mate we’re gonna have to Diablo 3 it up together. Gonna text all my friends goodbye the day it comes out. πŸ˜€

    #1244456
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    Clusterfrog
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    @p0ly 454166 wrote:

    Mate we’re gonna have to Diablo 3 it up together. Gonna text all my friends goodbye the day it comes out. πŸ˜€

    Awesome yeah, I’ve been waiting for D3 for nearly a decade now!!

    #1244457
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    Clusterfrog
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    In other news, I just bought a Moog

    #1244417
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    General Lighting
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    a modern one or original one second hand?

    #1244459
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    Clusterfrog
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    I got the minimoog voyager rack mount.. so its the modern one I can go modular with and expand upon when I feel like it.

    #1244473
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    D_ni
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    Does anybody else use TAL (togu audio line) VST’s? Great plugins to check out especially their Dub delay & reverb units. They also do some sweet synths ” Elek7ro-II” & ” bassline” ideal if your short on dollar.

    #1244439
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    DaftFader
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    I been looking for a decent delay (I’ve got several decent reverb units, but they still not as good as I would like – i think i might find that with every vst reverb tho, might have to get me a hardware reverb at some point as they can so soooo bloody good in comparison).

    #1244474
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    D_ni
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    KVR: Togu Audio Line TAL-Dub – Virtual Effect

    check it out, has a few presets but well open for interpretation, enjoy. x

    #1244418
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    General Lighting
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    @clusterfrog 454300 wrote:

    I got the minimoog voyager rack mount.. so its the modern one I can go modular with and expand upon when I feel like it.

    nice piece of kit, although due to my age whenever I hear Moog I think of a entire room full of kit all connected with telecom patch cables and played by someone what looks like a cross between the vampire/organ player dude you het in old horror films and a stereotypical mad scientist :laugh_at:

    #1244419
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    @daftfader 455673 wrote:

    I been looking for a decent delay (I’ve got several decent reverb units, but they still not as good as I would like – i think i might find that with every vst reverb tho, might have to get me a hardware reverb at some point as they can so soooo bloody good in comparison).

    TBH I think the VSTs will always be coded in such a way that will limit dynamic range to avoid clipping, whereas using hardware kit into a analogue desk will give you better sound. Digital has its uses for storage and telecommunication (including for instance our radio streaming) but music itself is analogue. Ironically at work we use this DSP software to do the exact opposite of reverb, it is to stop your voice being echoed back 100ms later on a telephone line (which is really annoying if you experience it).

    #1244428
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    cheeseweasel
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    @daftfader 455673 wrote:

    I been looking for a decent delay (I’ve got several decent reverb units, but they still not as good as I would like – i think i might find that with every vst reverb tho, might have to get me a hardware reverb at some point as they can so soooo bloody good in comparison).

    I agree that most of the reverbs that come packaged with DAWs sound awful (though I quite like the one that comes with Logic). There are some really good software convolution reverbs around though, e.g. Altiverb.

    The way these work is an ‘impulse response’ of a room is recorded by playing a loud click (an impulse) over a loudspeaker placed in the room, and recording the resulting echo. Because an impulse has the same spectrum as white noise (equal energy at all frequencies) the impulse response produced ‘captures’ the room’s reverb characteristics. A convolution reverb takes this impulse response and using a mathematical process called convolution combines it with whatever program material you want to add reverb to. The results can be really convincing, and a lot of people agree that it sounds more realistic than an algorithm-based hardware unit (e.g. a Lexicon).

    Altiverb is an expensive plugin to buy and it’s a processor hog, but you might be able to get hold of a copy through the usual sources…

    #1244475
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    D_ni
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    @cheeseweasel 455708 wrote:

    I agree that most of the reverbs that come packaged with DAWs sound awful (though I quite like the one that comes with Logic). There are some really good software convolution reverbs around though, e.g. Altiverb.

    I concur most default DAW verbs are pretty hideous, can loose really subtle elements of your mix not to mention play a bit of havoc with the level parameters. However like you did like logic when i came across the default unit in ableton live, did surprise me.

    one even had the option of setting quality level from eco – high. also ” side chaining ” tracks to Kick, & adjusting track delays gives a nice shuffle feel as well as subtle synchronicity between instruments. on top of all that it reacts with verb units quite well, doesn’t sound like your drowning in a sea of plastic mermaids.

    #1244440
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    DaftFader
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    @cheeseweasel 455708 wrote:

    I agree that most of the reverbs that come packaged with DAWs sound awful (though I quite like the one that comes with Logic). There are some really good software convolution reverbs around though, e.g. Altiverb.

    The way these work is an ‘impulse response’ of a room is recorded by playing a loud click (an impulse) over a loudspeaker placed in the room, and recording the resulting echo. Because an impulse has the same spectrum as white noise (equal energy at all frequencies) the impulse response produced ‘captures’ the room’s reverb characteristics. A convolution reverb takes this impulse response and using a mathematical process called convolution combines it with whatever program material you want to add reverb to. The results can be really convincing, and a lot of people agree that it sounds more realistic than an algorithm-based hardware unit (e.g. a Lexicon).

    Altiverb is an expensive plugin to buy and it’s a processor hog, but you might be able to get hold of a copy through the usual sources…

    I think I might use it allready, if not I was trying to get it at one point certainly.

    ATM
    I’m using what are suposed to be 2 of the best VST reverbs out there … and without some serious tweaking (sometimes I have to tweak past getting the sound I want) It, to me, still sounds grainy!

    I’ll have to go on a hunt for altiverb again tho as I have heard very good things about it (as I have with the ones I’m already using)

    #1244429
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    cheeseweasel
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    Altiverb really shouldn’t sound grainy, it’s an excellent reverb and is used on plenty of top classical recordings – I’d say it’s the most convincing reverb I’ve heard (though maybe ‘convincing’ isn’t what you’re after and you want something that sounds pleasing and spacious but not necessarily true-to-life (like a lexicon)?).

    As I said though, it uses loads of CPU and is the type of thing you’d put on a single stereo bus and send to, rather than inserting loads of them on single tracks. It was a constant headache for me when I worked at a music school and all the kids would put an Altiverb on EVERY instrument in Pro Tools and then wonder why the computer would fall over when they tried to bounce their recording! (it was a top-spec Mac Pro that was doing this!).

    #1244441
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    DaftFader
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    my pc’s way better then a top speck mac pro! πŸ˜›

    i runloads of tracks using massive (massive by name massive by nature I allways say lol – it eats processer like nothing i’ve ever seen bar some sampler vst’s) all with reverb and the likes on every track and untill i get to 30+ tracks it holds up ok. Even then I can just freeze the tracks to push it further.

    I’ve actualy just downloaded it so will record a few comparisons from my old reverb’s and this one.

    (after I’ve finished listening to GL mix tho)

    #1244442
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    DaftFader
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    Meh install didn’t work .. (think I remeber why I didn’t get this plug in last time now …)

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