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  • #1182083
    AvatarRaj
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    @MisterDuck 377779 wrote:

    Just to clear up – my opinions on GL’s views and the pessimism/negative/cynical accusations were based not on drugs or parties, but wider social issues as a whole. For me parties are pretty irrelevant now, and drugs certainly are. I go to parties and take drugs cos I enjoy it and it’s hedonism, not wreckless hedonism these days but it’s aim is certainly solely pleasure. My opinions on social change are nothing to do with this, or the work I do to reflect these opinions.
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    I work to integrate everything all over into one set of views and constantly review them to keep them current – I enjoy parties and to a certain extent I am using them as a vehicle for exploring my views and those of others for social change. It gives me an outreach to people I wouldnt meet in everyday life with whom to share and explore those views and get feedback on them.
    With these people we are constantly redefining what we are doing [party wise] to make it more interesting to us and more accessible to those who dont know us. The latest suggestion to surface has been that we should take our bikes with us and go cycling during the daytime for extra enjoyment – I think thats a cracking idea. It would also mean that those people whose other half is keen to party but they havent anything to do will have something they can come to the parties for in their own right thus improving everyone’s enjoyment.

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    Anyway, I’m in Bangkok at the moment. It’s not my thing at all, but my guesthouse was nice and I’m getting a bus and boat to Siem Reap tomorrow, when I get out of Bangkok I’d like to think the travelling begins. 🙂

    have a great time raaa

    #1182004
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @Raj 377837 wrote:

    I.
    With these people we are constantly redefining what we are doing [party wise] to make it more interesting to us and more accessible to those who dont know us. The latest suggestion to surface has been that we should take our bikes with us and go cycling during the daytime for extra enjoyment – I think thats a cracking idea. It would also mean that those people whose other half is keen to party but they havent anything to do will have something they can come to the parties for in their own right thus improving everyone’s enjoyment.

    this I think is the difference between culture in our two countries and North/South.

    Southern English youth do increasingly see parties as a “rite of passage” and something you “get out of your system in your 20s..” it is increasingly rare to find a active or even semi-retired 30 something raver in this region. More commonly you find someone what says “I used to do that but gave it up because the drugs are bad for you, I’m not sure if kids should still be doing it – I certainly wouldn’t or don’t want mine doing it!” although people my age with teenage raver kids do exist, the rest of their parents peer group views them as chavs and bad parents :hopeless:

    here its also thought even by ravers as a bit odd a single man in their late 30s/40s still goes to raves, they think you are a dealer and/or want to get with young teenage girls.. the young’uns get very judgemental – dude I know was in a consensual relationship with a teenage girl in her late teens, the jealous lads wrote NONCE all across his car in red and grassed him for drugs (as there was nothing illegal about his relationship) he got 3 months!

    this doesn’t strike me as a tolerant, progressive community which is acting for social change, FFS Suffolk Constabulary come out with more right on stuff than I’ve heard from some so-called ravers!

    BTW cyclists blend into the background and get way less hassle from cops/feds provided they are safe 😉

    #1184054
    Avatarjoshd96320
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    sounds like more of a community oop north.

    here people just wanna turn up, get mashed, and fuck off in the morning

    #1183793
    Avatarpixx
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    @General Lighting 376977 wrote:

    I’ve found its only nasty if you abuse it loads. for me the physical and emotional comedown is less worse than MDMA, and adversely affects my performance at work during the week far less… ditto with mephedrone (although I do think mephedrone is “dodgier” on the heart than afmet)

    Oh the comedown for me is virtually non existant, after a good nights sleep. Which is why I love this chemical so much. I have recently been quite reguarly having a full 30 hours on it. Well, for example, i’m on it now and have been since 3pm yestersday afternoon. I have almost no doubt i’ll wake up tomorrow morning and feel perky as perky. Then most likely have a nap in the afternoon and early night, and abracadabra thats my sleep pattern sorted.

    This is the problem in a way. I feel no guilt about doing this drug mid week. If I had a job, i’d feel no guilt or anxiety about doing it at work, providing i wasnt opperating machinery.

    Just been speaking to a mate who’s been doing it quite heavely. He of all people thinks the drug should be made class A. His words where something like “i’m getting addicted to this shit. and i dont like it” Incidently this is the same bloke who quit smoking a few weeks ago cus he couldnt be arsed to walk to the shop. (which admittedly is a couple of miles)

    When the users start asking for it to be made illegal, this says something!

    I dunno. I think the problem is no-one knows what we’re doing to ourselfs. And we wont for a good few years, where thers a possibility a whole culture of people all drop down like toy soldiurs with stomach cancer or heart desise.

    When living with my ex gf at her uni, there where fully respectable, otherwise healthy uni students on it every day for weeks on end (until their 20g stash had ran out)

    What amazed me more, was despite this, the main person in question was still bubbling away in full health. Even after coming off a 2 week binge, she looked a bit drawn down for a day, like maybe she had a bad hangover agian. And then normal.

    Its almost like its too good to be true. Its wickedly addictive, but thats hardly supprising given the above. I’ve had another 30 hours to remember, immesurably better than it would have been if i was not on meph. And in an hour i’ll be off to sleep, waking up tomorrow with no comedown and maybe even slightly above baseline, after facing up to a lot of emotional chains, just like with MD.

    For me, its like an angel has coime down from heaven and sprinkled her angeldust into my nose.

    And thats what worries me! Some people are saying this stuff is more addictive than coke. Have we got another crystal meth on our hands? 5 years from now we dont have a fucking clue where this drug will leave us. Its a few months old, commercially ffs.

    Apparently, someone did an experiment and left half a gram on a peace of steak for the night. By the morning it had corroded a good chunk out of the steak. So how longs it sitting in our stomachs for? an hour? 5hours 6hours 12hours?

    Personally I think the government should leave it unscheduled, and get to work like our lifes may depend on it, doing some research and making it as publically available as possible. What is this mega corrosive substance doing to our stomachs? Our hearts, Our brains. Cus i’d be willing to bet my left testicle its leaving some damage behind.

    Heh, suppose the ironic thing is i’m on it now and have been for the last 30 hours. And probably will be again at the weekend.

    Which sort of warrents this whole argument invalid. Or inflid. One or the other.

    Science is more advanced than ever, surely they can make predictions at least of what is going inside our bodies when we take this.

    Scuse all my bad language.

    Oh and cheers for the replies everyone. Chewing gum has done the trick nicely. I also think after the first few uses the side effects such as jaw lock fade away slightly.

    Thats not to say that I didnt nearly end up unable to swallow fluid though. Dont wanna think how bad it could have been if I didnt stop when I did. Shit, two many double negatives, i’ve confused myself.

    Night people :love:

    #1181745
    AvatarAnonymous

    Even if the gvmnt leave it unscheduled, do research, then let us know how bad the stuff is for our health, a lot of people will carry on caining it and not give a fuck. like with the hokey cokey.

    me thinks the only thing that will help people limit there use is to increase its price. dunno tho

    #1183684
    Avatarp0ly
    Participant

    the real mephe information will come out when people do keep abusing it for years and years!! some lab tests aren’t gonna tell you what it’s gonna do to humans, not properly. tbh i don’t think it’s gonna be much different than any stimulant use except maybe more like the worse ones like crystal meth (example: brain damage)

    pixx you say it’s like an angel came down and sprinkled powder up your nose… oh my, that’s bad. don’t you feel a strong mental hold towards this crap? this stuff seriously melts your serotonin away, i think it’s disgusting.

    but then again i think all stimulants are foul, they drain your soul!!

    #1182568
    AvatarGiantMidget
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    @p0ly 377907 wrote:

    t this stuff seriously melts your serotonin away, i think it’s disgusting.

    I’ll go along with that. Drone is worse than mandy for serotonin depletion imo.

    Hence the OCD type feelings after a night on the stuff.

    I’m not touching drone now though, decided to knock it on the head before it’s banned.

    Plus now that proper mandy is back I see very little point in woof woof so It’s gotta go! 😉

    #1183685
    Avatarp0ly
    Participant

    woof woof, hahahahahaha

    #1182569
    AvatarGiantMidget
    Participant

    @p0ly 377930 wrote:

    woof woof, hahahahahaha

    Yeah man I coined that term a month back. Even rang the Sun to tell them that they had the name wrong.

    I hope to see a change soon! 😉

    #1183686
    Avatarp0ly
    Participant

    yeah me and joshd decided on msn that it’s called M-DOG about 2weeks ago =D

    #1182005
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @pixx 377887 wrote:

    When the users start asking for it to be made illegal, this says something!

    It says we’re doomed to put up with the utter stupidity of prohibition for the next half century if not more.

    OK for some people being busted and getting a caution is fuck all, and in many ways thats true. Until one day you need to get a “proper job” and find it requires CRB and you are competing with people what obeyed the rules better when they were younger.

    Drug users are still a minority and minority groups need to prove themselves to be accepted within society.

    What happened to self control? do we need cops and the NHS to nanny us to stop us hurting ourselves?

    #1182571
    AvatarGiantMidget
    Participant

    The end has finally arrived for mephedrone and other cathinones. It’ll be a class B drug within weeks and apparently you cannot import it into the UK as of today.

    #1183687
    Avatarp0ly
    Participant

    that tom lloyd geezer speaks proper sense about mephe getting made illegal.

    #1182006
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    This comes from the blog of Superintendent Nick Davison of Norfolk Constabulary.

    Any crime reporting of incidents involving young offenders is subject to very strict rules to ensure privacy and that it is in the public interest, and a senior officer would be accountable for any inaccuracies, so I doubt this is something the cop published on his blog without forethought..

    I would like to raise the emerging issue of the ‘legal high’ mephedrone – a plant fertiliser being used by some young people as a recreational drug. The police and local drugs welfare agencies are seeing its increased use locally, especially in King’s Lynn.
    In earlier reports, I told you about a 16-year-old boy who committed a string of house burglaries in Gaywood and North Lynn. These were committed in order to fuel his need for mephedrone. He was caught and he is now in prison (a Young Offenders’ Institute).

    frankly I think the teenager is a greedy little shit and deserves to do time, mephedrone is cheap as chips and well within the “pocket money” of most teenagers!

    it is because people burgled to fund their partying in the 90s cops got on top of the scene in the first place!

    I can only hope the offender learns from what has happened and makes better use of the rest of his life when he has completed his sentence…

    #1182878
    AvatarDaftFader
    Participant

    Gaywood

    LOL

    I have said from the start how addictive methe is …

    that being said … i bet any money that this youth would of been a thief b4 his methe habit … it just so happens to be that he was caught now whilst hooked on methe … you have to be of a certain mentality to rob someones house .. most people who are druggys to the highest order and rob to feed there addiction are wankers allready and would probably rob some one anyway!

    #1182007
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @DaftFader 378495 wrote:

    LOL

    I have said from the start how addictive methe is …

    that being said … i bet any money that this youth would of been a thief b4 his methe habit … it just so happens to be that he was caught now whilst hooked on methe … you have to be of a certain mentality to rob someones house .. most people who are druggys to the highest order and rob to feed there addiction are wankers allready and probably rob some one anyway.

    Thats true but in comparatively recent times in East Anglia and SE England there was a distinct decline in the criminality (other than drugs posession/dealing) associated with party drugs and the rave scene, both licensed and unlicensed.

    when I first started raving in the 90s there was loads of weasley little shits what used to rob stuff to fund their partying. Ravers had to be fairly careful who they invited back to shared houses for after parties for this reason, particularly if they didn’t want their decks/music gear to get robbed!

    by the late 90s/mid 2000s most of these idiots weren’t as prevalent, and most of the ravers were decent young professional people either with jobs or in education, much like the people who are on this forum.

    what has been happening in recent years (even before mephedrone) was all the little townie shits are latching onto the drugs/party culture and fucking it up for everyone, even outside big city areas.. :rant:

    #1182879
    AvatarDaftFader
    Participant

    yeah even i have noticed this … in my lifetime (i started going raving very early at about 14) i have seen so many more, what i would call, rude boys/chavs being dicks at raves. when i first started going .. you would get a majority of (to me at the time) an older crowd – who would allways seem safe as and be looking after each other/me – now days the raves i goto all seem to be full of people younger than me (i know i have grown up since then – but like in late teens as opposed to mid 20’s like i remeber raves from back then).

    i’m sure you would agree that as you grow older you learn shit and become a bit more concientious about things, i think the fact that alot or people attending raves being a bit younger than in previous years has had an effect on the attitude at raves now days, not only due to lack of life experiance but also due to the fact that the rebeliosness of the younger generation has esculated in recent years due to some social problems that have developed eg. nanny statism.

    #1182008
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @DaftFader 37850 wrote:

    1i think the fact that alot or people attending raves being a bit younger than in previous years has had an effect on the attitude at raves now days, not only due to lack of life experiance but also due to the fact that the rebeliosness of the younger generation has esculated in recent years due to some social problems that have developed eg. nanny statism.

    its a vicious circle though as the youths are being rebellious in the wrong ways…instead of doing something like cracking a empty building to use as a arts squat they just smash it up instead, and it ends up with the power of the nanny state being reinforced…

    this is actually the first time in years that a senior Police officer in East Anglia has been able to link a “party drugs” user (as opposed to a crack or heroin user) to repeated acquisitive crime. I don’t even think the man is doing it out of spite – he is simply doing his job as a Police Officer highlighting a social problem.

    the saddest aspect of this whole mephedrone fiasco is it hasn’t sparked off a rise in creativity or parties (even licensed ones) or a resurgence in the scene, its just caused a fuckload more problems to normal society and the NHS, again the nanny states comes out on top.

    #1182881
    AvatarDaftFader
    Participant

    yeah … it is a circle … it’s the built up tention and anger that young people are feeling that’s bubbling over what makes them take large amounts of drugs and/or become rampaging anarchists to block out the shit from there every day 9-5 and the way they are taxed for every penny they earn in some way or other.
    this inturn causes backlashes and the govenment with their “we don’t give in to terraists” stance .. will just put the pressure on more .. making the situation worce.

    #1182009
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    @DaftFader 378507 wrote:

    yeah … it is a circle … it’s the built up tention and anger that young people are feeling that’s bubbling over what makes them take large amounts of drugs and/or become rampaging anarchists to block out the shit from there every day 9-5 and the way they are taxed for every penny they earn in some way or other.

    Thats unfair on anarchists. Real anarchists actually do positive stuff rather than just smash up things. Even the ones what rioted in the 1980s built communities and community spaces rather than just express anger.

    A lot of folk seem to be angry at society/government but wont’ turn down benefits such as dole and council flats and education courses… and even with taxes people have way more resources than a few years back.

    some of the young people I know are living in flats what are as good as them posh dockland blocks on canary wharf, if not paid for by benefits they afford them on part time salaries whilst still studying and there”s no way I could have got anything like that at age 18-21..

    #1182050
    AvatarClang
    Participant

    Just saw this on yahoo…

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    Dave Llewellyn, who admits supplying large quantities of mephedrone to customers in the UK, said the new chemical is so dangerous he was refusing to sell it on his website – although it would not be against the law.

    “This stuff is absolutely evil – it’s going to cause all sorts of psychological problems,” he told Sky News.

    “It will cause long-term brain damage from the very first hit and eventually it’s going to end up with bodies.”

    Naphyrone is already being marketed as a mephedrone replacement, but according to Mr Llewellyn it is far more toxic than many illegal drugs like cocaine and ecstasy.

    The substance is sold online under the name NRG-1 and costs as little as 25 pence a hit.

    The fact it is so cheap means, according to Mr Llewellyn, that it is likely to become hugely popular with youngsters.

    “I think it really could be Europe’s crystal meth. I can see an epidemic where people are getting into it without realising what they’re getting into and then having to go back for more.”

    For the moment naphyrone is not widely available in the UK, but its presence is a concern for many established scientists.

    Medical director of the charity Addaction Dr Ken Checinski has warned those considering taking the designer drug to think again.

    Deadly New ‘Legal’ Drug Bound For Britain – Yahoo! News UK

    #1182010
    AvatarGeneral Lighting
    Moderator

    incidentally another aspect here (which isn’t limited to mephedrone) is defence lawyers telling clients to plead they have addictions to get lower sentences..

    IMO this bullshit should stop – I’ve never heard of any drug making people so ill they cannot tell right from wrong.

    These people are mentally ill and need treatment, or they are criminals and need punishment, or in some cases an element of both is applicable, but I think drugs should not be used as an “excuse” for peoples criminal behaviour as there are so many users what never commit crime (other than posession of the controlled substance)

    #1182882
    AvatarDaftFader
    Participant

    why on earth would they tell them that? doesn’t make sence to me.

    #1182883
    AvatarDaftFader
    Participant

    and the only reason methe has “flooded” the uk is because of it’s poularity .. there are many rc’s avalible if you know where to look … it’s only since methe became populer that it spiraled into a mass widely avalible drug!

    #1184056
    Avatarjoshd96320
    Participant

    @DaftFader 378507 wrote:

    yeah … it is a circle … it’s the built up tention and anger that young people are feeling that’s bubbling over what makes them take large amounts of drugs and/or become rampaging anarchists to block out the shit from there every day 9-5 and the way they are taxed for every penny they earn in some way or other.
    this inturn causes backlashes and the govenment with their “we don’t give in to terraists” stance .. will just put the pressure on more .. making the situation worce.

    @General Lighting 378494 wrote:

    This comes from the blog of Superintendent Nick Davison of Norfolk Constabulary.

    Any crime reporting of incidents involving young offenders is subject to very strict rules to ensure privacy and that it is in the public interest, and a senior officer would be accountable for any inaccuracies, so I doubt this is something the cop published on his blog without forethought..

    frankly I think the teenager is a greedy little shit and deserves to do time, mephedrone is cheap as chips and well within the “pocket money” of most teenagers!

    it is because people burgled to fund their partying in the 90s cops got on top of the scene in the first place!

    I can only hope the offender learns from what has happened and makes better use of the rest of his life when he has completed his sentence…

    fucking little townie scummers fuck up EVERY scene. the only ability in life they have is to go to any scene and fuck it up coz their own one is shit. townies come to a metal gig, and fuck it up. townies come to a rave, and fuck it up.

    i do not think they are anarchists, or even have raging anger for the government. most anarchists are progressive people, i myself am a supporter of libertarian socialism (aka socialist anarchism). A common libertarian socialists’ ideologies would aim for the sort of world you see in them books on ‘modern utopia’ where theres no corporatism, but real progress within society.
    Libertarian socialism – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    so anyway, yeah.. moving on, the boy has probably grown up where this is common. although its not a golden excuse. instead of locking him up for a couple of months, and letting him back to peoples drawers, he should learn how to respect and work for his own drugs. i doubt this will happen though

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