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  • #1040175
    Anarkismo
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      Never really tried DJing myself and thought i’d like to give it a go.

      Can anyone reccomend a set of decks that’s not too pricey and is good value for money?

      #1096987
      Raj
      Participant

        We started out with belt drives [aristons] which were wicked for learning on and when we got good enough we moved on to technics like everyone else :shy:

        #1096974
        BioTech
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          When I started it was when there was only one choice and that was technics. That’s because the rest of the turntable range were complete shite and unsuitable for beat matching/scratching. Before I got technics I made do with some Soundlab DLP1600’s when I wasn’t using my mates 1210’s.

          These days there are plenty of decks to choose from. I haven’t actually used any of them apart from vestax a couple of times. So I’m not the best person to ask but I have heard that the stanton range are quite good for the money.

          http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=stat60

          #1096994
          Ruff Beat Provider
          Participant

            Stay away from belt drive completely!!!!!!! my advice would to go on ebay and buy some semi-pro decks. i’ve got some Numark Pro TT-2 and they are fine for beat matching scrathing ect. Unless you have lots of money to spend it hard to buy a decent set of decks new. just stay away from belt drive and starter packs.

            #1096988
            Raj
            Participant

              You couldnt get on with them then? :groucho:

              Mine saw hours and hours of use until we could beat match and saved up enough for technics [which are pretty dear] Using the technics after them was a doddle and like going from a mini to a top of the range car [but the aristons did severl parties and we managed ;)]

              Can you go into a shop which sells decks and test drive few maybe? Or ask to try any mates decks you can or babysit a lonely set? :groucho:

              #1096982
              Tek Offensive
              Participant

                i’d have to agree with beat provider, to have no or little experience and get some weak puny belt drives is a bad idea imo. i had a friend who got a numark starter pack and thought they were the worst decks ever made.

                tho a year or two later when i took up mixing he bought a pair of gemini pt2000’s off ebay for less than half the amount he paid for the numarks and picked it up straight away, altho this time he did have someone to teach him.

                #1096989
                Raj
                Participant

                  you do need good belt drives – some are far better than others its very true

                  It does also help to have a teacher when mixing – blagging a mate to help you mix and let you use their decks is a good way to get a feel for it

                  #1096991
                  Shit Robot
                  Participant

                    personally I would use/blag someone elses decks and save whilst you learn then just jump in the deep end and buy Technics,after all you will be buying them in the end anyway.

                    #1096976
                    Acidfairy
                    Participant

                      If you’re looking for budget but quality without tacky price-inflating features I’d recommend looking at Citronic’s range of decks – Direct drive (essential if you’re serious about djing), with enough torque to allow you to learn the basics but not masses which I found helpful when I was learning so as to teach you to be careful and delicate with your beatmatching and cueing. They’re your basic technics clones so when/if he upgrades there won’t be a massive step in terms of getting used to design etc.

                      http://www.decks.co.uk/products/decks/citronic/pd1s

                      225quid for a pair isn’t going to break the bank and if you decide djing isn’t for you then you haven’t really thrown too much away.

                      There’ll be other options for beginners out there, but I’ve got experience with Citronics so it’s what I’d recommend. Whatever you do, you shouldn’t get belt drives wink.gif

                      Or try and get a pair of second hand Technics.. try cash convertors or somewhere coz then even if u decide Djing ain’t for you, you will still be able to sell them on without losing much money as 1210’s hold their value and there is always a market for them

                      #1096992
                      Anarkismo
                      Participant

                        cheers for the help all, working for a couple of weeks after new years so will be able to afford a pair of decks then. Will be having a look round for next couple of weeks to find what i can get for me money

                        Thanks again

                        #1096977
                        Acidfairy
                        Participant

                          Once you know how much you can spend, let us know on here and what you’ve been looking at in your price range and i’m sure people on here will give you their views on em for ya..

                          Happy Hunting…:groucho:

                          #1096972
                          General Lighting
                          Moderator

                            I’d definitely avoid belt drive nowadays as although early to mid 90s “cheaper” direct drives were rubbish, there are increasingly better mid-range direct drive models coming on to the market….

                            some of my mates in Reading had various numark direct drives and they were OK.

                            Although technics are the more robust TBH I think that only really matters if you will be transporting them to various places for raves/parties etc..

                            #1096975
                            binge
                            Participant

                              I’m in the same position as Raj was above. I bought Belt drives for £70 off ebay a few years ago, and am now looking to upgrade to direct drives. My problem is that I can mix fine on the belt drives, but every time I get on directs I seem to fuck up! Its annoying as thats the only time I play out…!

                              Belt drives are really easy to throw around, whereas direct seem to be much stiffer, and far more sensitive. Maybe I’m just being heavy handed?

                              Go straight for direct drives mate deffo worth it in the long run.

                              Can people suggest a decent pair of direct decks and mixer that I can get myself for around the £500 mark? I’d go for some second hand technics, but really would prefer having a bit more pitch to play with (I’m used to +/- 10 atm).
                              raaa

                              #1096984
                              leveret
                              Participant

                                I bought some belt drive numarks whic many people say you can learn from (they’d been used by a rig previously and had new carts). and to be honest they were so unrewarding and i’m so lazy i never got anywhere. u probably have to learn to do it to be a dj though 🙂 then i got some secondhand 1210s and they were just so much better. if u want some free belt drive numarks just let me know 🙂

                                #1096990
                                Raj
                                Participant
                                  binge wrote:
                                  Maybe I’m just being heavy handed?

                                  That is very likely your problem mate – they are far more responsive than belt drives and need to be handled more gently to achieve the same thing

                                  its likely that 3-4 hours of practise on a set of DD would sort this problem out for you so go and blag a shot of a mates technics or direct drives if you can [once you realise how to adjust your playing you will be fine :wink:]

                                  #1096981
                                  titch
                                  Participant

                                    Just get the best, get Technics, they will last forever and as fairy said, if you get a secondhand pair you won’t loose money on them if you decide its not for you.

                                    #1096985
                                    stax
                                    Participant

                                      started practicing on mates belt drives, found it quite hard as you had to be really sensitive or the needle would keep jumping, but once i got to grips with them i found mixing on DDs quite easy. i bought a cheap pair of newmarks (2nd hand 4 £150 with mixer). having decided to carry on mixing i will prob upgrade to technics once my bank ballance gets back in the black

                                      #1096980
                                      Munch
                                      Participant
                                        Acidfairy wrote:
                                        If you’re looking for budget but quality without tacky price-inflating features I’d recommend looking at Citronic’s range of decks – Direct drive (essential if you’re serious about djing), with enough torque to allow you to learn the basics but not masses which I found helpful when I was learning so as to teach you to be careful and delicate with your beatmatching and cueing. They’re your basic technics clones so when/if he upgrades there won’t be a massive step in terms of getting used to design etc.

                                        http://www.decks.co.uk/products/decks/citronic/pd1s

                                        225quid for a pair isn’t going to break the bank and if you decide djing isn’t for you then you haven’t really thrown too much away.

                                        There’ll be other options for beginners out there, but I’ve got experience with Citronics so it’s what I’d recommend. Whatever you do, you shouldn’t get belt drives wink.gif

                                        Or try and get a pair of second hand Technics.. try cash convertors or somewhere coz then even if u decide Djing ain’t for you, you will still be able to sell them on without losing much money as 1210’s hold their value and there is always a market for them

                                        Hehehe I recognise that post Seonaid 😛 http://forum.clubdogma.com/showthread.php?t=16750 , but yeah to reiterate my point (and on a thread where I’m not going to get ripped into for suggesting non-technics decks!) I really appreciated starting on lower torque decks as the sensitivity really teaches you to be careful in your mixes and you can then go on and be able to mix on a broad variety of decks at parties/folk’s flats etc regardless of the deck. I felt that if I’d started on technics I wouldn’t have had the experience of carefully “twisting the nipple” and making gentle changes which I learnt with my Citronics.

                                        If you start off, imo, with non-technics, then it’s an easier jump upto technics than it would be if all your experience was with technics and you turned up at a party where they had some low-torqued geminis etc and you ended up all over the place. Obviously this is just from personal experience and everyone learns differently, but that’s my 2p.

                                        #1096978
                                        Acidfairy
                                        Participant
                                          Munch wrote:
                                          Hehehe I recognise that post Seonaid 😛

                                          Hehe well i have experience with them as well and i couldn’t be arsed retyping it.. but i did add some of my own lol…

                                          #1096973
                                          General Lighting
                                          Moderator

                                            does anyone have info about the torque ratings of various decks? I’m sure even some of the cheaper ones are similar to 1200s in torque these days (although of course not build quality etc) and some newer decks are even more powerful (I remember Biotech pointing out this could cause problems when mixing)…..

                                            #1096979
                                            Acidfairy
                                            Participant

                                              Tends to be just the starting torque they give for example and some give tracking force

                                              Technical Specifications for the Technics SL1200Mk2 Turntable
                                              TURNTABLE SL-1200 Mk2
                                              TONE ARM
                                              GENERAL
                                              Type – Quartz direct drive manual
                                              Type – Universal
                                              Power Supply – ~110-120/220-240v 50 or 60 Hz
                                              Motor – Brushless DC motor
                                              Effective length – 230mm
                                              Power Consumption – 13.5 Watts
                                              Platter – Aluminium diecast
                                              Arm Height range – 31.8mm – 37.8mm
                                              Dimensions (HxWxD) –
                                              453mm x 162mm x 360mm

                                              Platter diameter – 332mm
                                              Overhang – 15mm
                                              Weight – 12.5kg / 27.6lbs
                                              Platter weight – 2kg / 4.4lbs
                                              Effective mass – 12g without cart

                                              Starting torque – 1.5 kg/cm
                                              Offset angle – 22 degrees

                                              Start speed – 0.7sec from standstill to 33 1/3rpm
                                              Friction – <7mg lateral

                                              Braking system – Electronic braking
                                              Stylus pressure range – 0g – 2.5kg

                                              Applicable cartridge
                                              weight range – 6g – 10g
                                              (with headweight)
                                              – 9.5g – 13g
                                              (with sub-weight)
                                              – 3.5g – 6.5g

                                              Headshell weight – 7.5g

                                              Technical Specifications for the Citronic PD 1 MK3 Turntable
                                              Dimensions 450 x 350 x 146mm
                                              Power supply 230Vac, 50Hz (12W)
                                              Weight 9.6kg Output level 1.5 – 3.6mV
                                              Starting torque >1kg/cm
                                              Tracking force 4g
                                              Pitch bend ±10%

                                              #1096986
                                              darkstar
                                              Participant

                                                Or alternatively you could try CD decks instead of vinyl …….

                                                raaa

                                                #1096993
                                                Anarkismo
                                                Participant
                                                  darkstar wrote:
                                                  Or alternatively you could try CD decks instead of vinyl …….

                                                  raaa

                                                  Nah vinyls all the way :you_crazy:devilish:

                                                  #1096995
                                                  technarchy4theuk
                                                  Participant
                                                    titch wrote:
                                                    Just get the best, get Technics, they will last forever and as fairy said, if you get a secondhand pair you won’t loose money on them if you decide its not for you.

                                                    definatly mate, get a pair of technics. being able to mix on a pair of belt drives doesnt mean you will be good on any other deck. when i upgraded to a pair of technics which i got second hand cheaper than i got the belt drives for it took me a while to get properly used to them, but when i did the difference was orgasmic!

                                                    #1096983
                                                    Tek Offensive
                                                    Participant
                                                      General Lighting wrote:
                                                      does anyone have info about the torque ratings of various decks? I’m sure even some of the cheaper ones are similar to 1200s in torque these days (although of course not build quality etc) and some newer decks are even more powerful (I remember Biotech pointing out this could cause problems when mixing)…..

                                                      i think its stanton or kam but you can get a deck with 5kg of torque!! maybe more now. apparently this amount is more of a problem then a benifit.

                                                      i still need to get saving for my technics:hopeless: its gonna be a while methinks.

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