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December 30, 2006 at 11:34 pm #1040175
Never really tried DJing myself and thought i’d like to give it a go.
Can anyone reccomend a set of decks that’s not too pricey and is good value for money?
December 31, 2006 at 12:07 am #1096987We started out with belt drives [aristons] which were wicked for learning on and when we got good enough we moved on to technics like everyone else :shy:
December 31, 2006 at 4:12 am #1096974When I started it was when there was only one choice and that was technics. That’s because the rest of the turntable range were complete shite and unsuitable for beat matching/scratching. Before I got technics I made do with some Soundlab DLP1600’s when I wasn’t using my mates 1210’s.
These days there are plenty of decks to choose from. I haven’t actually used any of them apart from vestax a couple of times. So I’m not the best person to ask but I have heard that the stanton range are quite good for the money.
December 31, 2006 at 10:50 am #1096994Stay away from belt drive completely!!!!!!! my advice would to go on ebay and buy some semi-pro decks. i’ve got some Numark Pro TT-2 and they are fine for beat matching scrathing ect. Unless you have lots of money to spend it hard to buy a decent set of decks new. just stay away from belt drive and starter packs.
December 31, 2006 at 12:07 pm #1096988You couldnt get on with them then? :groucho:
Mine saw hours and hours of use until we could beat match and saved up enough for technics [which are pretty dear] Using the technics after them was a doddle and like going from a mini to a top of the range car [but the aristons did severl parties and we managed ;)]
Can you go into a shop which sells decks and test drive few maybe? Or ask to try any mates decks you can or babysit a lonely set? :groucho:
December 31, 2006 at 12:52 pm #1096982i’d have to agree with beat provider, to have no or little experience and get some weak puny belt drives is a bad idea imo. i had a friend who got a numark starter pack and thought they were the worst decks ever made.
tho a year or two later when i took up mixing he bought a pair of gemini pt2000’s off ebay for less than half the amount he paid for the numarks and picked it up straight away, altho this time he did have someone to teach him.
December 31, 2006 at 1:49 pm #1096989you do need good belt drives – some are far better than others its very true
It does also help to have a teacher when mixing – blagging a mate to help you mix and let you use their decks is a good way to get a feel for it
December 31, 2006 at 1:55 pm #1096991personally I would use/blag someone elses decks and save whilst you learn then just jump in the deep end and buy Technics,after all you will be buying them in the end anyway.
December 31, 2006 at 2:44 pm #1096976If you’re looking for budget but quality without tacky price-inflating features I’d recommend looking at Citronic’s range of decks – Direct drive (essential if you’re serious about djing), with enough torque to allow you to learn the basics but not masses which I found helpful when I was learning so as to teach you to be careful and delicate with your beatmatching and cueing. They’re your basic technics clones so when/if he upgrades there won’t be a massive step in terms of getting used to design etc.
http://www.decks.co.uk/products/decks/citronic/pd1s
225quid for a pair isn’t going to break the bank and if you decide djing isn’t for you then you haven’t really thrown too much away.
There’ll be other options for beginners out there, but I’ve got experience with Citronics so it’s what I’d recommend. Whatever you do, you shouldn’t get belt drives
Or try and get a pair of second hand Technics.. try cash convertors or somewhere coz then even if u decide Djing ain’t for you, you will still be able to sell them on without losing much money as 1210’s hold their value and there is always a market for them
December 31, 2006 at 2:49 pm #1096992cheers for the help all, working for a couple of weeks after new years so will be able to afford a pair of decks then. Will be having a look round for next couple of weeks to find what i can get for me money
Thanks again
December 31, 2006 at 3:04 pm #1096977Once you know how much you can spend, let us know on here and what you’ve been looking at in your price range and i’m sure people on here will give you their views on em for ya..
Happy Hunting…:groucho:
December 31, 2006 at 3:23 pm #1096972I’d definitely avoid belt drive nowadays as although early to mid 90s “cheaper” direct drives were rubbish, there are increasingly better mid-range direct drive models coming on to the market….
some of my mates in Reading had various numark direct drives and they were OK.
Although technics are the more robust TBH I think that only really matters if you will be transporting them to various places for raves/parties etc..
December 31, 2006 at 6:53 pm #1096975I’m in the same position as Raj was above. I bought Belt drives for £70 off ebay a few years ago, and am now looking to upgrade to direct drives. My problem is that I can mix fine on the belt drives, but every time I get on directs I seem to fuck up! Its annoying as thats the only time I play out…!
Belt drives are really easy to throw around, whereas direct seem to be much stiffer, and far more sensitive. Maybe I’m just being heavy handed?
Go straight for direct drives mate deffo worth it in the long run.
Can people suggest a decent pair of direct decks and mixer that I can get myself for around the £500 mark? I’d go for some second hand technics, but really would prefer having a bit more pitch to play with (I’m used to +/- 10 atm).
raaaDecember 31, 2006 at 8:15 pm #1096984I bought some belt drive numarks whic many people say you can learn from (they’d been used by a rig previously and had new carts). and to be honest they were so unrewarding and i’m so lazy i never got anywhere. u probably have to learn to do it to be a dj though 🙂 then i got some secondhand 1210s and they were just so much better. if u want some free belt drive numarks just let me know 🙂
January 1, 2007 at 8:06 am #1096990binge wrote:Maybe I’m just being heavy handed?That is very likely your problem mate – they are far more responsive than belt drives and need to be handled more gently to achieve the same thing
its likely that 3-4 hours of practise on a set of DD would sort this problem out for you so go and blag a shot of a mates technics or direct drives if you can [once you realise how to adjust your playing you will be fine :wink:]
January 1, 2007 at 9:15 pm #1096981Just get the best, get Technics, they will last forever and as fairy said, if you get a secondhand pair you won’t loose money on them if you decide its not for you.
January 2, 2007 at 11:37 am #1096985started practicing on mates belt drives, found it quite hard as you had to be really sensitive or the needle would keep jumping, but once i got to grips with them i found mixing on DDs quite easy. i bought a cheap pair of newmarks (2nd hand 4 £150 with mixer). having decided to carry on mixing i will prob upgrade to technics once my bank ballance gets back in the black
January 3, 2007 at 1:33 pm #1096980Acidfairy wrote:If you’re looking for budget but quality without tacky price-inflating features I’d recommend looking at Citronic’s range of decks – Direct drive (essential if you’re serious about djing), with enough torque to allow you to learn the basics but not masses which I found helpful when I was learning so as to teach you to be careful and delicate with your beatmatching and cueing. They’re your basic technics clones so when/if he upgrades there won’t be a massive step in terms of getting used to design etc.http://www.decks.co.uk/products/decks/citronic/pd1s
225quid for a pair isn’t going to break the bank and if you decide djing isn’t for you then you haven’t really thrown too much away.
There’ll be other options for beginners out there, but I’ve got experience with Citronics so it’s what I’d recommend. Whatever you do, you shouldn’t get belt drives
Or try and get a pair of second hand Technics.. try cash convertors or somewhere coz then even if u decide Djing ain’t for you, you will still be able to sell them on without losing much money as 1210’s hold their value and there is always a market for them
Hehehe I recognise that post Seonaid 😛 http://forum.clubdogma.com/showthread.php?t=16750 , but yeah to reiterate my point (and on a thread where I’m not going to get ripped into for suggesting non-technics decks!) I really appreciated starting on lower torque decks as the sensitivity really teaches you to be careful in your mixes and you can then go on and be able to mix on a broad variety of decks at parties/folk’s flats etc regardless of the deck. I felt that if I’d started on technics I wouldn’t have had the experience of carefully “twisting the nipple” and making gentle changes which I learnt with my Citronics.
If you start off, imo, with non-technics, then it’s an easier jump upto technics than it would be if all your experience was with technics and you turned up at a party where they had some low-torqued geminis etc and you ended up all over the place. Obviously this is just from personal experience and everyone learns differently, but that’s my 2p.
January 3, 2007 at 8:37 pm #1096978January 3, 2007 at 8:46 pm #1096973does anyone have info about the torque ratings of various decks? I’m sure even some of the cheaper ones are similar to 1200s in torque these days (although of course not build quality etc) and some newer decks are even more powerful (I remember Biotech pointing out this could cause problems when mixing)…..
January 3, 2007 at 9:06 pm #1096979Tends to be just the starting torque they give for example and some give tracking force
Technical Specifications for the Technics SL1200Mk2 Turntable
TURNTABLE SL-1200 Mk2
TONE ARM
GENERAL
Type – Quartz direct drive manual
Type – Universal
Power Supply – ~110-120/220-240v 50 or 60 Hz
Motor – Brushless DC motor
Effective length – 230mm
Power Consumption – 13.5 Watts
Platter – Aluminium diecast
Arm Height range – 31.8mm – 37.8mm
Dimensions (HxWxD) –
453mm x 162mm x 360mm
Platter diameter – 332mm
Overhang – 15mm
Weight – 12.5kg / 27.6lbs
Platter weight – 2kg / 4.4lbs
Effective mass – 12g without cartStarting torque – 1.5 kg/cm
Offset angle – 22 degreesStart speed – 0.7sec from standstill to 33 1/3rpm
Friction – <7mg lateralBraking system – Electronic braking
Stylus pressure range – 0g – 2.5kgApplicable cartridge
weight range – 6g – 10g
(with headweight)
– 9.5g – 13g
(with sub-weight)
– 3.5g – 6.5gHeadshell weight – 7.5g
Technical Specifications for the Citronic PD 1 MK3 Turntable
Dimensions 450 x 350 x 146mm
Power supply 230Vac, 50Hz (12W)
Weight 9.6kg Output level 1.5 – 3.6mV
Starting torque >1kg/cm
Tracking force 4g
Pitch bend ±10%January 3, 2007 at 9:41 pm #1096986Or alternatively you could try CD decks instead of vinyl …….
raaa
January 3, 2007 at 10:32 pm #1096993darkstar wrote:Or alternatively you could try CD decks instead of vinyl …….raaa
Nah vinyls all the way :you_crazy:devilish:
January 4, 2007 at 11:43 am #1096995titch wrote:Just get the best, get Technics, they will last forever and as fairy said, if you get a secondhand pair you won’t loose money on them if you decide its not for you.definatly mate, get a pair of technics. being able to mix on a pair of belt drives doesnt mean you will be good on any other deck. when i upgraded to a pair of technics which i got second hand cheaper than i got the belt drives for it took me a while to get properly used to them, but when i did the difference was orgasmic!
January 4, 2007 at 4:12 pm #1096983General Lighting wrote:does anyone have info about the torque ratings of various decks? I’m sure even some of the cheaper ones are similar to 1200s in torque these days (although of course not build quality etc) and some newer decks are even more powerful (I remember Biotech pointing out this could cause problems when mixing)…..i think its stanton or kam but you can get a deck with 5kg of torque!! maybe more now. apparently this amount is more of a problem then a benifit.
i still need to get saving for my technics:hopeless: its gonna be a while methinks.
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