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  • #1056713
    Chrispydelic
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    Wow, found this today.

    When slowed down to the sort of speed that crickets operate in (as time is relative to size and lifespan) crickets actually sing in chorus.

    It’s beautiful.

    Make sure to click on the soundcloud file rather than the bogus add above the text.

    http://enpundit.com/someone-recorded-crickets-slowed-track-sounds-like-humans-singing/

    #1276614
    Angel
    Moderator

    That sounds great :satisfied:satisfied

    #1276612
    BioTech
    Participant

    Mental. Love that.

    #1276615
    cheeseweasel
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    Sorry, I’d like to believe it but I’m calling bullshit on this.

    #1276613
    BioTech
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    Well, I did read in to it a bit and it’s not quite as it seems. Wasn’t going to mention it unless someone else called it but:

    It seems it’s individual samples of crickets, slowed and pitched to harmonize when played together. Hence the chorus sound. It’s still crickets though. Just not quite as natural as it’s made out to be.

    #1276616
    cheeseweasel
    Participant

    I admit it does sound nice, but it seems a bit fishy from a technical perspective. The notes in the slowed down version are around the 500Hz mark, so the original tape recording could only really have been slowed by a factor of 5x or so, which would just sound like a slowed down cricket chirping.

    #1276626
    Chrispydelic
    Participant

    Bah, and there was I imagining little cricket glee clubs.

    Bastards!

    #1276617
    cheeseweasel
    Participant

    I feel like a right party pooper now.

    #1276627
    Chrispydelic
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    @cheeseweasel 558916 wrote:

    I feel like a right party pooper now.

    You should, I was agaze with awe and wonderment! And now I’m just sad! ๐Ÿ™

    #1276618
    cheeseweasel
    Participant

    @Chrispydelic 558919 wrote:

    You should, I was agaze with awe and wonderment! And now I’m just sad! ๐Ÿ™

    Sorry. Perhaps this video of some bloke playing trumpet at a donkey will restore your faith in the natural beauty of Mother Earth’s sonic landscapes?

    #1276605
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    on “the secret life of the cat” they demonstrated how a cat modulates a purr with a meow so the meow is shifted into higher frequencies, some even beyond 20 Khz but the sub harmonics are still heard, and humans feed the cat or give it attention – whereas if it just meowed it would be ejected from the bedroom for making a racket (my cat did this too, as if he barged open my door at 05:00 and meowed in my ear I’d give a long deep meow back to him (to warn him this was not on) and he’d either realise it was too early and sleep at the foot of my bed until I awoke, or try and wake my sister up, but he later would just start off with a loud purr which seemed to have more “urgency” than a normal one..

    the scientist did redline her Marantz PMD430 (which shows how loud the cat was) but it didn’t sound too rough on playback, so those must have a good limiter just like the analogue cassette versions did (it actually served as a good demonstration of the recorder in operational use)

    #1276620
    DaftFader
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    @General Lighting 558922 wrote:

    on “the secret life of the cat” they demonstrated how a cat modulates a purr with a meow so the meow is shifted into higher frequencies, some even beyond 20 Khz but the sub harmonics are still heard, and humans feed the cat or give it attention – whereas if it just meowed it would be ejected from the bedroom for making a racket (my cat did this too, as if he barged open my door at 05:00 and meowed in my ear I’d give a long deep meow back to him (to warn him this was not on) and he’d either realise it was too early and sleep at the foot of my bed until I awoke, or try and wake my sister up, but he later would just start off with a loud purr which seemed to have more “urgency” than a normal one..

    the scientist did redline her Marantz PMD430 (which shows how loud the cat was) but it didn’t sound too rough on playback, so those must have a good limiter just like the analogue cassette versions did (it actually served as a good demonstration of the recorder in operational use)

    That second loud pur is suposed to have the same frequency in it that human babys cry at, so humans react to it more.

    #1276633
    Izbeckistan
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    @cheeseweasel 558920 wrote:

    Sorry. Perhaps this video of some bloke playing trumpet at a donkey will restore your faith in the natural beauty of Mother Earth’s sonic landscapes?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C1x71fSt2s

    Omg thats great!

    #1276634
    Izbeckistan
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    It reminds me of the sound emitted from the monolith in 2001 a space odyssy

    #1276628
    Chrispydelic
    Participant

    I don’t like cats!

    Sorry!

    #1276619
    cheeseweasel
    Participant

    I don’t like cricket!

    #1276622
    know_hope
    Participant

    well just to try and revitalise some hysteria without actually making the effort to import the clip etc, but using some musical knowledge…; there is something called ‘the harmonic series’ that are a set of maths ratios. when there is a vibration, say for example a string vibrates; at first the whole string will vibrate, then it will split in the middle and both sides will vibrate, then into 3, into 4, into 5 into infinity or until vibration ceases. represented as ratios these are 1/1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 1/5 etc. if the vibration is audible, you hear a incredibly fast sequence of sounds. they happen so fast that it is impossible to hear them as separate in real time. it begins with the initial vibration which in music is called a ‘fundamental.’ so as we’re in music land, think of an instrument where the vibration is visible such as a stringed instrument. when it is plucked or bowed (or toothed; or whatever; fuck you [s.p]) the fundamental can be heard; more commonly known as a ‘note.’ as the note decays, each ratio can be heard. in music land they are called ‘partials.’ each partial has a pitch. the first is an octave above the fundamental (e.g. C2-C3), the following partial is exactly half an octave above the previous partial (C3-G3), then a fifth again (G3-D3), and so on into infinity or cease in vibration. each partial is weaker than the last so commonly the human ear will only hear the first few. the amount of partials heard and their relative amplitude (volume) make up whats called an instrument’s (or non-instrument) ‘resonance.’ bowed orchestral instruments are considered to be highly resonant as many partials can be heard with each fundamental. anyway wtf am i babbling about at 6.40am ?… oh yeh fucking crickets wtf… (apologies, a censored edition can be made available if requested when im not coming off a series of drugs… anyhow crickets, yes… no hang on; cello first yes (sorry im suddenly losing the will to live)… so all musical instruments conform to the principles of the harmonic series as it is physics, and as most things with regard to physics they tend to conform. and actually just to be a smart arse, the whole of history of western music can be understood as a gradual discourse through the harmonic series and can be understood as the development of ‘harmony;’ beginning with hildegard von bingen (gregorian chant) whose harmonies were in octaves only (cos she was a bit scared to use a 5th as a harmony note in case it invoked the wrath of god, who might punish instrumentalists by exploding one of their self combusting instruments) and then through large passages of time more notes from the harmonic series were introduced as what we call ‘consonances’ and this went on slowly expanding the series to whenever we stopped giving a fuck about classical music, (roughly around the time the germans started trying to kill everyone, and everyone went ‘you know what, fuck the germans and their discourse up through the harmonic series unto the gods’ i’m gona do something different, such as atonal, series counterpoint etc, which didn’t really work because the harmonic series is based on physics and so any departure from that was always gona be audibly less stable and regarded as artsy fartsy noise up until boulez who arguably put classical music in its grave by making it inaccessible to everyone except from a very small minority who enjoyed listening to dissonant chaos (the latter end of the harmonic series with some twists), and then came elvis and well game over. so err yeh crickets: every organic sound has what in music land is called a complex tone, meaning the harmonic series is formed. every single sound you make, the harmonic series is occuring; its just that western musical intruments isolate specific fundamentals and are designed to be highly resonant where as me button bashing at 6.50 is not, so i cant hear them, but they are there, just like the mega beetles that circulate the earth so high no one has found them yet… anyhow im not saying the slowed down track are crickets, but if you consider that every every organic sound (as in, not synthesised) will will produce a complex tone (a series of sound partials). im no going to say why cos i cant find my benzos and i’ve got no idea why im writing all this really, but what in the track you can hear are ‘major triads’ that could be formed by the lower partials of the harmonic series, and if slowed down enough one strike, pluck, scrape, if its a relatively clean tone, you would hear the harmonic series… which brings me thankfully, conclusively back to the cello. if anyone knows the tuning of a cello, each string is an interval of a 5th when played in open position (the whole string [and so is also the harmonic series]). can you imagine (youtube) the sound of a cello being tuned? sound similar to the fawkin crickets does it (in terms of the pitching) ? now where the fuck are my benzos, i’ve got a massive headache after that. i could have just imported the sound, sped it up and plastered it here, would have been quicker :rolleyes:

    #1276623
    know_hope
    Participant

    just for you partyvibe. i wouldnt have bothered anywhere else… found my benzos ๐Ÿ™‚ … i wonder if they make them yellow so wreckheads like me can find them easier…

    #1276621
    DaftFader
    Participant

    paragraphs? :O

    #1276629
    Chrispydelic
    Participant

    @DaftFader 558974 wrote:

    paragraphs? :O

    Dude, the guy couldn’t find his benzos! Some slack need to be cut for him!

    #1276624
    know_hope
    Participant

    well tbf, i probably wouldn’t bother to read all that. fortunately i already know what it says since my memory chip was updated, feel like i have a past again… which i know there’s no past and yesterday i was actually a czech guy on the outskirts of prague. I know this cos they arrived late and i was semi conscious during the switchover. they’re so lackadaisical. i think they still think i don’t notice. a bit like the government

    #1276606
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    @Chrispydelic 558933 wrote:

    I don’t like cats!

    from what I remember the boffins who did the original research recorded several cats and then selected a range of humans (some who liked cats, and some who didn’t but did not have severe phobia against them) to listen to the purrs.

    Those who liked cats more often recognised the purr as more demanding, whereas those who didn’t like cats just thought “a purring cat” and would tolerate it more than one which was meowing loudly (which would be shooed away from a communal area). So either way the cat wins.

    Even in crazy cat lady type households, those cats that make a noise and/or openly bully others are often punished by restriction of privileges/movement (such as being confined to one area of a large house), another thing the scientists worked out is the modulated purr was often common in multi-cat households, so no single cat would be punished for noise making.

    I actually did this the other way round, and meowed with the cat at feeding time, so my sister couldn’t work out which one of us started making the racket…

    #1276607
    General Lighting
    Moderator

    @know_hope 558971 wrote:

    just for you partyvibe. i wouldnt have bothered anywhere else… found my benzos ๐Ÿ™‚ … i wonder if they make them yellow so wreckheads like me can find them easier…

    there are blue ones as well and white, the colours do not necessarily correspond to the dose strength across all manufacturers. Where I work sturdy plastic or metal trays are available for those patients who are capable of taking their meds indepdently but due to dexterity problems and/or confusion might mislay them or drop them on the floor by accident. Unfortunately I cannot add an extra one to the order without raising suspicion.

    As for crickets, they generate their noises mechanically (very similar to how tone generators on the old automatic telephone exchanges once did). This creates a signal rich in harmonics, so it would not be unusual for natural scientists to record them and slow them down to work out what the higher frequencies are.

    #1276625
    know_hope
    Participant

    @General Lighting 558988 wrote:

    there are blue ones as well and white, the colours do not necessarily correspond to the dose strength across all manufacturers. Where I work sturdy plastic or metal trays are available for those patients who are capable of taking their meds indepdently but due to dexterity problems and/or confusion might mislay them or drop them on the floor by accident. Unfortunately I cannot add an extra one to the order without raising suspicion.

    oh i wish i had access to known ‘medical’ benzos, but i dont unless i want to buy enough that i’ll be hooked…

    @General Lighting 558988 wrote:

    As for crickets, they generate their noises mechanically (very similar to how tone generators on the old automatic telephone exchanges once did). This creates a signal rich in harmonics, so it would not be unusual for natural scientists to record them and slow them down to work out what the higher frequencies are.

    for anyone that gives a fuck, not that either outcome will affect my departure through my bedroom window shortly (jk), but partials and harmonics are the same thing, just one from a musical, the other from a technical perspective, hence ‘harmonic series.’

    so to conclude this chapter in the quest for truth, i’ve set up a mic and some recording gear. what i’ll do is hit record and hopefully (as this isn’t the kind of experiment you can do twice) when i hit the ground, some partials will be recorded, and when slowed down hopefully some beautiful sounds will be heard, although someone will need to come round and collect the data

    #1276630
    Chrispydelic
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    @General Lighting 558985 wrote:

    those who didn’t like cats just thought “a purring cat” and would tolerate it more than one which was meowing loudly (which would be shooed away from a communal area). So either way the cat wins.

    Nope, crossbow wins every time!

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