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    General Lighting
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      looking at the local news every media outlet has a statement from suffolk cops mentioning “they are getting tough on illegal raves”. they claim “this is done for the good of society and safety of those who may attend them”

      I understand a few planned for this area or nearer cities were shut down before they started – worse still even legitimate hall parties and licensed events are discouraged here..

      no doubt the cops will claim a success; but its not the case that waving a magic police baton will makes a stomping rave bunny miraculously disappear from the policemans helmet (if only for fear of being clouted across the head)

      Some people may have decided not to party this weekend but they aren’t going to give up looking for these events – it merely pushes the problem into neighbouring counties; and makes people more determined to find an event next time.

      this must encourage a lot of young people (including many who have just got their licenses) to drive very long distances at night, with passengers even when they are not that confident (peer pressure is a powerful thing which can override an instinct of self-preservation!)

      and although to be fair most young people who attend raves are good drivers and try not to drive under the influence ; what is happening now is that a 50-60 mile round trip is turning into a 100-200 mile round trip…

      the journey there isn’t too much of a problem either with a vehicle full of eager, happy people – but – even if drivers do get a few hours kip in the car they are often driving back sleep-deprived even if they have not taken any drugs, with passengers who are themselves asleep or even irritable and arguing because of comedowns.

      With every mile travelled the risk increases..

      and if local raves can’t be found may even take the risk to go to a townie club in Norfolk or Cambs, where they are more likely to drink as well as take drugs and then to be chucked out earlier and have to drive back (theres no late night public transport between the counties) – this being the case because unless you are a 15 year old chav legal venues here must hold little appeal and most are closed by 2am..

      I have noticed a local news report implying that there is a sudden and apparently inexplicable increase in serious road traffic collisions involving young people driving late at night on the Norfolk/Suffolk borders.

      the govt statistics log these incidents as happening in Norfolk because the main hospital for that area is in Norfolk.

      So it seems people here are literally sacrificing their youth on the roads for the sake of a quiet night, and cynically passing the problem into another county 🙁

      #1070136
      Jon_tooth
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        Alright GL, long time no see. :bigsmile:

        I’ve no idea about the actual statistics on what you are saying, but your logic rings true.

        Sadly the business end of the police aren’t so much interested in saving lives, as they are in saving face. If they can say that they have closed down an ‘illegal’ rave in their bailiwick, then they have ‘done good’ in the eyes of middle-class little England.

        If a rave gets closed down, a lot of people are going to drive around till they find the next one, and the majority of these will be young, inexperienced drivers, who are more likely to have an accident if their journey length is increased. More so, given that they are dealing with roads they are not so familiar with.

        Still… accidents in other areas are not their problem, are they?

        #1070134
        General Lighting
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          I’ve even found documents from Suffolk Drugs Action team which imply that they encourage kids here to leave the county to go partying – if they OD or get nicked its classed as another counties drug problem!

          round here they even have cops just patrolling around to see who is awake late at night – they don’t do random stop checks like London or Reading but are just there, keeping an eye.

          A lot of the SJ ravers are from Suffolk but don’t like to admit it as Norfolk has a “cooler” rep. There are clubs here but they are townie places and the cops literally wait outside for the inevitable trouble and then haul people off to the cells for the weekend (its full zero tolerance) – and they play cheesy shite music (perhaps even a weekend in the cells is more enjoyable!) – but the way its done here it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy that “late night events == trouble”..

          then again there were raves here, it seems that people fought in the licensed venues (including the DJs!) and over-used all the outdoor venues which brought things on top a bit….

          #1070135
          BioTech
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            It sounds like a bit of cliche but I also think that if people are prevented from attending positive social activities like raves they end up getting up to no good at the weekend instead.

            Not because they are natural trouble makers but because they are frustrated and have no positive outlet. There literaly is nothing to do around here after hours. You can’t even have a few friends round and play a bit of music through fear of getting an ASBO slapped on you. It’s pretty depressing to think that the expected highlight of a young persons late night weekend is a pizza and a dvd.

            General Lighting wrote:
            round here they even have cops just patrolling around to see who is awake late at night – they don’t do random stop checks like London or Reading but are just there, keeping an eye.

            Not from my experience. I’ve been stopped plenty of times and questioned just because I’m out after 2am.

            Usually the excuse will be that there has been a burglary or a hit and run (where the driver has fled) and I fit the description so they have to search me.

            Yeah alright then.

            I got stopped once because I was wearing too much black.

            :get_you:

            #1070137
            Jon_tooth
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              BioTech wrote:
              I got stopped once because I was wearing too much black.

              :get_you:

              “Excuse me sir, I couldn’t help notice you are wearing a lot of black.”

              I’m no lawyer, but I am pretty sure that that is not a valid reason for pulling someone over.

              “Is it because I is (wearing) black?”

              :bigsmile:

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