Thanks the brown one with eyes half open grew into a real Tank,The new owners took him to the vet for a check-up and the vet thought he was a credit to the breeder,when he asked who the breeder was the owner says some hippy/pikey types from S Molton and the vet goes OH!:laugh_at:(He sees us round town and we always get the impression he thinks we look the type to not be capable/Responsible enough to have dogs)