@joshd96320 342793 wrote:

i dont think its feasible that everything can be nationalised, there has to be competition for innovation i believe… i dont think they could manage it all either lol.[/quote]

its not feasible overnight but i am talking about a longterm progression of society, and many things need to change.

“compettition leading to innovation” is the argument behind neoliberalism and free market fundamentalism. otherwise known as capitalism.

however the idea of true nationalisation is that a government in a democracy is always accountable to the people, and that is the drive for innovation – to get re-elected, basically.

however in order to achieve this we need to change our democracy – yes things have changed, everyone can vote etc. however politics is still owned and operated by the rich. the wealthiest parties can run the largest campaigns, and politics isn’t made accessible and open to the working population for a reason.

essentially dictatorship of the proletariat.

“The term does not refer to a concentration of power by a dictator, but to a situation where the proletariat (the working class) would hold power and replace the current political, economic and social system controlled by the bourgeoisie (the propertied class). In short, the “dictatorship of the proletariat” would replace the current “dictatorship of the bourgeoisie”; the crucial distinction being that while the bourgeoisie is by definition a minority, the proletariat is, similarly, always the majority.”

i know im going into marx theories again, i am somewhat of a marxist, some things engels has said i disagree with though.

but in that system nationalisation of everything will work. because essentially it’d be owned by the people, because the people would really own the state, not just in theory as it is now. but that’s probably thousands of years away.

“classless, stateless and moneyless communist society” sounds like utopia to me. bearing inmind the stateless. communism in its true form is by the people, not instilled by some murderous dictator. we’ve never seen true communism, only excuses to be totalitarian.

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nuclear weapons, eugh, it sickens me, its a vicious circle, now it has began, nobody can stop stockpiling and developing or they will fall behind in the game. the only way is for everyone to get rid of their nuclear weapons. but that wont happen.

exactly, but i’d like to think of britain as being a more progressive country than the americas of this world starting the ball rolling. the thing is we need to stop consorting with the americas of this world otherwise we won’t do that. the time will come when europe needs to take a stand, i am fairly euro-sceptic with regards to the EU (not the idea of the EU, i just believe it needs massively changing, it is undemocratic and a bureaucracy imo) but with regards to warmongering, EU could need to be the calming voice.