Absolute Hypocrites!!

[DJCliffy]

Unite Against Fascism. This group must be the biggest load of hypocrites ever. have just seen a news item on-line about how they successfully stopped a BNP event from occurring.

Even saw how they verbally abused some BNP members who were with their young families, I thought it was very reminiscent of 1930's Germany but with UAF acting like the Nazis. The way they harassed em was disgusting.

Don't get me wrong i don't support the BNP (I'm a green man) but they (bnp) are a democratically elected group and afaik we live in a democracy, If they want to have a little get together then let em. That's what democracy is all about ain't it.

But when you get a group claiming to be against fascism but then act in a fascist manner themselves then i find that to be very hypocritical indeed. They seem to be a group that says their policy is disagree with us and you are an enemy

Also this is a quote taken directly from a UAF supporter.

"I believe in freedom of speech for everybody but fascists"

Morons.

:crazy_diz

[joshd96320]

disgusting

[p0ly]

i just came across the sickest bnp youtuber ever, on their info bar it says about how they love to see women die in all kinds of ways and it gets them hard. they also made lots of evil racist comments on videos and claimed they slaughter pigs for a living.

YouTube - SnuffDirectorXXX's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/SnuffDirectorXXX)

absolutely disgusting, check my comment aswell

[ketordeath]

its a hard balance Cliffy, and i understand you revulsion at the actions of the UAF people, but i think want motivates them is a fear that fascism unchecked has some not very nice consequences....

the thought of these fucks being allowed to spread their message is just too awful to allow

[ketordeath]

its a hard balance Cliffy, and i understand you revulsion at the actions of the UAF people, but i think want motivates them is a fear that fascism unchecked has some not very nice consequences....

the thought of these fucks being allowed to spread their message is just too awful to allow

[DIONYSUS]

some of my mates went down to this demo and although some people it seemed did just want to go down and try and start a fight. The majority of people there were going to show the bnp and the rest of the country and world that we dont all think like them. the bnp are democratically elected, but so were the nazis (i think). I would have gone, but i was busy unfortunatly. The thought of them having what is pretty much a nazi rally only a few miles down the road from me is enought to turn my stomach. Also the fact that derby council let this festival/rally carry on and granted it a license etc when they knew all this trouble was gonna kick off is a fucking joke especially when they cancelled the big green gathering festival, which would have been totally peaceful. the bnp and supporters are ignorant racist cunts.

[DJCliffy]

Don't get me wrong, I fucking detest the BNP but i can't stand hypocrites and the UAF are the biggest fucking hypocrites going.

[General Lighting]

being British Asian I am totally against extremism of any kind, and although my I consider my political views to be progressive I have found a lot of so-called progressive organisations (anti-fascists, animal rights, environmentalism) have been hijacked by angry young men what want to start physical conflicts with their opponents or simply damage their property.

Dionysus - I would suggest you buy a new map - the BGG has always been held in the West of England rather than Derbyshire!

What I think did however happen is that a "hippy" festival pulled out of an event in Derbyshire because the farmer was hiring the same site to the BNP and therefore they did not want to put any business their way - this IMO is a much more legitimate and effective way of protesting..

[DIONYSUS]

also the freechspeech thing is a difficult one, but anybody preaching or spreading messages of hate and intolerance does not deserve a voice. whether they are the bnp or people like that abu hamza guy.

[DIONYSUS]

being British Asian I am totally against extremism of any kind, and although my I consider my political views to be progressive I have found a lot of so-called progressive organisations (anti-fascists, animal rights, environmentalism) have been hijacked by angry young men what want to start physical conflicts with their opponents or simply damage their property.

Dionysus - I would suggest you buy a new map - the BGG has always been held in the West of England rather than Derbyshire!

What I think did however happen is that a "hippy" festival pulled out of an event in Derbyshire because the farmer was hiring the same site to the BNP and therefore they did not want to put any business their way - this IMO is a much more legitimate and effective way of protesting..

nah it was the bnp festival that was in derby, i know its not the same council or police authority as the BGG but its still a joke that this went ahead when the BGG could not.

[General Lighting]

nah it was the bnp festival that was in derby, i know its not the same council or police authority as the BGG but its still a joke that this went ahead when the BGG could not.

its unfortunate but I really can't see it as a "conspiracy theory" against the BGG - firstly the rest of the music / hedonism based festivals went ahead in both regions as well, secondly the BNP have at least tried to distance themselves from people what smash up the property of those they disagree with and act like thugs, whilst the Green Gathering were actually welcoming some of those types - they were bound to get wrong because of it..

[General Lighting]

also the freechspeech thing is a difficult one, but anybody preaching or spreading messages of hate and intolerance does not deserve a voice. whether they are the bnp or people like that abu hamza guy.

unfortunately the BNP have done a lot of PR work since the early 1990s when they first turned up on the scene, they will ensure that people at these events are not overtly advocating crime.

In 1991 they would stalk the streets of South London in pseudo-military uniforms (an offence in itself) looking for ethnic minority people to attack - now they have "respectable businessmen and families" at their events, with the younger footy hooligan crowd and young blokes such as disaffected ravers being used to carry out the "heavy stuff" like random attacks/vandalism, but this lot would rarely turn up at the festival.

"Democracy" is a lot more fragile than many realise - There is actually a lot of violence and crime associated with mainstream politics. My local councillor has been threatened a fair few times and has had his property damaged because of who he is and he is Labour (but the old style proper socialist labour). another friend of mine who was a councillor in the 1970s says that threats and actually fisticuffs were not uncommon until CCTV was installed and the Press got greater access.

[DIONYSUS]

its unfortunate but I really can't see it as a "conspiracy theory" against the BGG - firstly the rest of the music / hedonism based festivals went ahead in both regions as well, secondly the BNP have at least tried to distance themselves from people what smash up the property of those they disagree with and act like thugs, whilst the Green Gathering were actually welcoming some of those types - they were bound to get wrong because of it..

im not sure about the BGG conspiracy thing either, but the fact is that the police knew that there would be a lot of trouble surrounding the bnp festival because its happened every year that they've had one. Not caused as such by the actual festival, but by people protesting against it. The cost of policing this would have been shit loads, my mates said they had a drone up as well. I wonder if they passed on the costs of this to the festival or if its the taxpayer that foots the bill as its not really the people at the festival that cause that amount of police to be needed (although it is really..)

[General Lighting]

im not sure about the BGG conspiracy thing either, but the fact is that the police knew that there would be a lot of trouble surrounding the bnp festival because its happened every year that they've had one. Not caused as such by the actual festival, but by people protesting against it. The cost of policing this would have been shit loads, my mates said they had a drone up as well. I wonder if they passed on the costs of this to the festival or if its the taxpayer that foots the bill as its not really the people at the festival that cause that amount of police to be needed (although it is really..)

the BNP may be being charged a certain amount but because they are a legal political party they may be entitled to the same protection any other political partys gathering obtains. its also possible the net cost to the taxpayer of dealing with their festival (including policing the protests) is no more than a music festival or even less, as although its controversial, you don't hear of overdoses and violence amongst the participants.. The BNP are anti-drugs and from what I've heard about the real hardcore right wing i.e the ones what actually achieve a lot (a friend infiltrated one of their forums) many only drink in moderation, and spend a lot of time in the gym or even studying...

I suspect as far as festivals go, the BNP festival is really boring, probably worse than a religious evangelists festival..

[DIONYSUS]

I suspect as far as festivals go, the BNP festival is really boring, probably worse than a religious evangelists festival..

yeah its gotta be proper shit, loads of grumpy people sitting around whinging about the state of the uk and about how many people they hate. might go next year sounds like a right laugh! :you_crazy:

[General Lighting]

also the freechspeech thing is a difficult one, but anybody preaching or spreading messages of hate and intolerance does not deserve a voice. whether they are the bnp or people like that abu hamza guy.

true but its worth considering there are those around what would consider that a website/forum encouraging youths to take all sorts of drugs, openly discuss sexual matters and in some cases to occupy others' private property without permission to hold noisy gatherings is also "extremist"...

[DJCliffy]

yeah its gotta be proper shit, loads of grumpy people sitting around whinging about the state of the uk and about how many people they hate. might go next year sounds like a right laugh! :you_crazy:

What sort of music you think they listen to?

[MisterDuck]

ah UAF, not all bad but can be full of shit.

they are essentially another front for the socialist workers party. and the SWP notoriously like to think a protest isn't a protest until it has their stamp on it.

also i don't like their record on anti-Semitism. both the UAF and SWP. it's not just that no focus is given towards anti-Semitism, it's that complete bias against Jews occurs, as support for Palestine is strong - but what, I support Palestine, but hating Israeli Occupation is not synonomous with hating Jews in general!

for example:
http://www.workersliberty.org/system/files/attachment-0001.jpeg

"the holocaust, where thousands of LGBT people, trade unionists, and disabled people were slaughtered"

um.... yes, but what about Jewish people, the majority, who would turn that "thousands" figure into millions? remember, the SWP invite holocaust-denying speakers to their rallies. they've defended this, but to omit jews from the holocaust on a anti-fascist leaflet? i mean what?

i think it was not a mistake, becauseof the figure "thousands". its as though the 6 milion jews are taken out the equation.

here is the link:
Has the SWP Discovered a "Jew-Free" Holocaust? | Workers' Liberty (http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2008/08/18/jew-free-holocaust)

[DJCliffy]

i just came across the sickest bnp youtuber ever, on their info bar it says about how they love to see women die in all kinds of ways and it gets them hard. they also made lots of evil racist comments on videos and claimed they slaughter pigs for a living.

YouTube - SnuffDirectorXXX's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/SnuffDirectorXXX)

absolutely disgusting, check my comment aswell

Clearly this person needs help, what a fucking moron!

Oh yeah what username are you using on YouTube?

[DIONYSUS]

What sort of music you think they listen to?

something not very good id imagine.

[General Lighting]

also i don't like their record on anti-Semitism. both the UAF and SWP. it's not just that no focus is given towards anti-Semitism, it's that complete bias against Jews occurs,

British socialist organisations weren't always multicultural, this is a recent development around the 1980s. During the 1970s many (and trade unions) were openly hostile to immigration and there was a risk the NF would infiltrate them!

They had historically always been hostile to Jews (and initially British Asians, particularly Indians and the Chinese) as both ethnic groups have been traditionally successful in business and they were seen as Thatcher's lackeys, and tended not to take part in "anarchic/radical" activities (although this was often due to family disapproval and knowing they would be disproportionally targeted by the Police!)

Even during my own teenage years it was a while before I was accepted by the "trendy anarchist" groups at high school as I back then I wasn't overtly rebellious and did fairly well academically (until I discovered drugs).

[General Lighting]

What sort of music you think they listen to?

Other than obvious stuff like classical music and marching/military bands, a significant proportion of English folk music (to the great annoyance of many of the folk artists who despise what the BNP stands for, but cannot stop their music being played at their events).

The days of obvious jackbooted skinheads are long gone. Most BNP supporters just look like normal white people, with a significant proportion of professional office and IT professional workers, angry at their jobs being bangalored.

TBH at my age group I find most "skinheads" aren't even racist, just bald!

[General Lighting]

Anti-fascism isn?t working - Red Pepper (http://www.redpepper.org.uk/Anti-fascism-isn-t-working)

[DJCliffy]

Just been reading more bullshit from the UAF. A group that is against Muslim extremism (but not against Islam) has been branded a racist group which i find very strange considering there are quite a few members from different ethnic backgrounds that call themselves members.

The UAF really are a bunch of lying c*nts. They make stuff up and try and play different factions off one another.

Things like this don't usually bother me but the absolute bullshit of the UAF really pisses me off.

I wonder if it's worth starting up the UATHTAUAF.

United Against The Hypocrites That Are United against Fascism.

:you_crazy

[DJCliffy]

i just came across the sickest bnp youtuber ever, on their info bar it says about how they love to see women die in all kinds of ways and it gets them hard. they also made lots of evil racist comments on videos and claimed they slaughter pigs for a living.

YouTube - SnuffDirectorXXX's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/SnuffDirectorXXX)

absolutely disgusting, check my comment aswell

Ahaha the prick who made that account has been suspended. I wonder if my email to Youtube had anything to do with it? :laugh_at:

[Cam]

but they (bnp) are a democratically elected group and afaik we live in a democracy, If they want to have a little get together then let em. That's what democracy is all about ain't it.

To qualify for party status in our democratic (I use the term loosely) society. The party must play by the rules...The rules state that all political parties must not discriminate on the basis of sex, race or any other thing when it comes to party membership. The BNP clearly do this and they sate it in their Manifesto for all to see.

They are not a legitimate party. Never have been and never will, unless they start accepting minority groups as party members. They're in the shit and will hopefully not be around for too much longer.

Fuck the BNP and all who sail in her.

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[globalloon]

i don't see any hypocrisy here.

the BNP abuse the democratic system. if they were elected they would close down democracy to anyone with a skin colour they don't like.

the BNP should expect violent conflict from everyone who recognises that in our country people (from all ethnic and religious backgrounds) have given their lives for our right to be treated as equal subjects, regardless of gender, ethnicity, religion, class, employment status etc

this is our political heritage and the BNP are trying to destroy it.

[CozMik]

What difference would it make if there wear no coloured people in the UK? fuck all

[DJCliffy]

I hope you lot don't think i actually support the BNP! I fucking hate em, Them getting in power would fuck my life up considerably.

But i don't like the UAF, at all. There's something about them that repulses me.

They are hypocrites of the highest degree. I just don't like their attitude, It's either you're with us or you are against us.

[DJCliffy]

this is our political heritage and the BNP are trying to destroy it.

Don't worry about the BNP destroying it. Labour are already doing it for them.

[DJCliffy]

Fuck the BNP and all who sail in her.




I agree mate but the bottom line is people are voting for them. If the government don't start addressing key issues soon you will see more votes for em.

The UAF don't help at all. Their methods are counter productive and they are actually pushing voters towards parties like the BNP.

[General Lighting]

TBH I don't think the BNP are the greatest threat, it is whatever right wing political party follows them... already Nick Griffin is apparently climbing down and saying he wants to change the membership rules to allow non-white people to join despite obvious disagreement from the hardliners.

People mistakenly think that an authoritarian/fascist party is automatically racist. This isn't always the case. Some right wing parties and governments are nationalist, but not overtly racist. you can have "multicultural nationalism" as well two Commonwealth countries (Malaysia and Singapore) have very authoritarian governments (based on the British system). but still have a multicultural society... The Malaysian political party is called "the National Front" and the Singapore Peoples Action Party uses logos and techniques from Oswald moseley's fascists.

Leaders of both nations have openly said that they do not think total freedom of speech / expression or democracy is a good thing and that strong government is needed to build a strong nation.

Both of these nations are however very economically and politically successful in their region.

[CozMik]

What difference would it make if there wear no coloured people in the UK? fuck all

I meant this in the antiracist way, if the BNP want the whole country to be white i dont see what difference it would make anyway, the majority or arsholes ive met so far in my life have actually been white:laugh_at:

when it comes to different cultures and races i say the more the merrier.

[joshd96320]

heavy shit on that vid

why hasnt he been ridden of

id rather him than some innocent geeza in the wrong place at the wrong time

hes a nuisance!

[DJCliffy]

I meant this in the antiracist way, if the BNP want the whole country to be white i dont see what difference it would make anyway, the majority or arsholes ive met so far in my life have actually been white:laugh_at:

when it comes to different cultures and races i say the more the merrier.

I agree mate, Britain would be boring if she were a white only nation.

[Cam]

I agree mate but the bottom line is people are voting for them. If the government don't start addressing key issues soon you will see more votes for em.

The UAF don't help at all. Their methods are counter productive and they are actually pushing voters towards parties like the BNP.

I don't think the initial post was in support of the BNP :wink:

The point I was incoherently trying to make, is that the BNP are not a legitimate party. A vote for the BNP is null and void vote. They have been found out.....unless they change, hopefully they will be no more :love:

BBC NEWS | UK | Legal action over BNP membership (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8218397.stm)

[globalloon]

I agree mate but the bottom line is people are voting for them. If the government don't start addressing key issues soon you will see more votes for em.

i agree that this government are failing to meet the needs of their traditional core supporters, but although the BNP recently won a couple of European seats, they actually got less votes in the areas where they won than in previous elections, so people are not voting for them in greater numbers, just less people are voting at all

The UAF don't help at all. Their methods are counter productive and they are actually pushing voters towards parties like the BNP.

i don't know much about them, but presumably if you support freedom of speech you support their right to express their views?

[DJCliffy]

i don't know much about them, but presumably if you support freedom of speech you support their right to express their views?

Yeah i support their right to freedom of speech, If only they shared that same view.

Doesn't mean i gotta agree with em tho, I detest this group. Yeah they can shout as much as they want but it doesn't detract from the fact that they are absolute hypocrites of the highest degree.

[DJCliffy]

I don't think the initial post was in support of the BNP :wink:

The point I was incoherently trying to make, is that the BNP are not a legitimate party. A vote for the BNP is null and void vote. They have been found out.....unless they change, hopefully they will be no more :love:

BBC NEWS | UK | Legal action over BNP membership (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8218397.stm)

I wonder who the UAF would go after should the BNP disband?

Would probably be another group their masters don't like.

:crazy:

[globalloon]

if you don't support the BNP why does it bother you?

[DJCliffy]

if you don't support the BNP why does it bother you?

Cos i can't stand hypocrisy, That's the main reason. I don't support the BNP but from what i have heard from folk on the street they are being pushed towards them from groups like the UAF.

I travel all over the country job wise and have spoken to numerous people about this recently and the majority i've spoken to are siding with the BNP because of the antics of the UAF.

It ain't good mate, I don't want a group like the BNP getting in, specially not with my lifestyle. Ok the likelihood of them actually getting any real power is slim but still it ain't the one.

Maybe i should calm down on this but i actually care about this country and the direction it heads in ya know. :wink:

[globalloon]

Cos i can't stand hypocrisy, That's the main reason. I don't support the BNP but from what i have heard from folk on the street they are being pushed towards them from groups like the UAF.

I travel all over the country job wise and have spoken to numerous people about this recently and the majority i've spoken to are siding with the BNP because of the antics of the UAF.

It ain't good mate, I don't want a group like the BNP getting in, specially not with my lifestyle. Ok the likelihood of them actually getting any real power is slim but still it ain't the one.

Maybe i should calm down on this but i actually care about this country and the direction it heads in ya know. :wink:

so calm yourself with the knowledge that the BNP are losing votes at every election.

[MisterDuck]

i wish i could reach that calm utopia. its my goal in life