Explanation

[amyberthelet]

Hey everyone. I've been gone for a while cuz I'm desperately trying to earn money, not bc you 'chased me away' :wink: But to be honest, I have said all there is to say.... y'all know where I stand as far as God - debating till I'm blue in the face will not make one whit of difference - the only way to 'prove' anyting is for the Holy Spirit to move and convince you. NOTHING I say will do that. You can call it a copout or being weak or whatever, but it's the truth. Debating whether or not God exists only flares up my anxiety - and that is DEFINITELY not God! I continue to pray for y'all, and hope that if you are ever in the straits I was in due to partying, you will call upon the Lord for His mercy and be saved - literally.

If I happen to slip and say something 'religious' - just say - ok she's the rebel who believes in God :weee:

I WILL discuss (as opposed to argue/debate) however! But pls keep in mind I am also trying to work contest puzzles, do mystery shopping, surveys etc at the same time! :love:

[joshd96320]

Hey everyone. I've been gone for a while cuz I'm desperately trying to earn money, not bc you 'chased me away' :wink: But to be honest, I have said all there is to say.... y'all know where I stand as far as God - debating till I'm blue in the face will not make one whit of difference - the only way to 'prove' anyting is for the Holy Spirit to move and convince you. NOTHING I say will do that. You can call it a copout or being weak or whatever, but it's the truth. Debating whether or not God exists only flares up my anxiety - and that is DEFINITELY not God! I continue to pray for y'all, and hope that if you are ever in the straits I was in due to partying, you will call upon the Lord for His mercy and be saved - literally.

If I happen to slip and say something 'religious' - just say - ok she's the rebel who believes in God :weee:

I WILL discuss (as opposed to argue/debate) however! But pls keep in mind I am also trying to work contest puzzles, do mystery shopping, surveys etc at the same time! :love:


disclaimer: i'm not arguing on the existence of god in this post, i'm stating that this form does not exist within the realms of my actualisation, realisation, and world.

Certainly for me, NO amount of arguing / brainwashing / nuclear threats against me / whatever, ANYTHING will make me believe. Probably the same for you likewise but ill discuss and put points forward anyway..

For one who doesn't believe in this ideology / theory, it serves just to piss off, wind up, irritate, or at lowest value just serve as nothing to us, just please, don't pray for an atheist because what are you praying, for us, this guy doesn't exist, 'denying the existence of a divine being' or 'an absence of belief in a divine superior' whichever way you put it, it ain't there, and in my opinion we kinda don't want you praying for us.. its like a capitalism praying for communism.



"the Lord for His mercy and be saved - literally."

it kinda hurts to put that in a post published by me. Not literally, in my mind, and in my being (i dont believe in souls, i dont believe in spirit to a certain extent, i believe that its all part of emotion, and emotion is a evolutionary advantage ask me for more if your intrigued which i doubt you are ).. the lord, well thats just like fuck it ill just ask a blank piece of paper,, doesn't exist in an atheists world. obviously im not talking for the whole forum im mainly talking for myself / like-minded ones (i wont say other atheists, because by definition, atheism is an absence of belief, not a belief in itself). And for this reason i find it 100% incorrect to state it is literal as to me this is fictional and therefore cannot fabricate within the world i have created..



"If I happen to slip and say something 'religious' - just say - ok she's the rebel who believes in God :weee: "

Just a little personal note, i dont find belief in this divine thing rebel-esque, i feel iit is an appeal and a surrender to the bombardment media and control forces layed down by society and governments. by control forces, i mean something used to keep people in check towards a minorities views and preferences. i dont think we need the bible to tell us not to kill as through evolution we have learnt that together we stand and divided we fall - i for one dont need a religious text to state this to me.

one more thing, are you an evangelist?

now, i have come across as a cock in this post i am fairly sure, but its the easiest way to explain my views on religion. :)

[amyberthelet]

As to your last question... yes.

And I don't care what you may say, I AM gonna pray for you!

My story is somewhere in here......not gonna rehash it all......

As far as what I believe....just go here Deliverance Bible Church (http://www.deliverancebiblechurch.com)

[p0ly]

u just can't help it can u amy

god god god

[PhilKmorgan]

u just can't help it can u amy

god god god

Slightly off point Poly, do u know anything about the psy trance do in London this Sat?? I have seen this over at psymusic (Indeepen.dance: Organic Hybrid / Brainhunters / Dirty Saffi)

[amyberthelet]

nope - I am not ashamed!!! :love:

[p0ly]

don't have a clue, but it sounds sick!

i'll be at o2 wireless this sat

[joshd96320]

As to your last question... yes.

And I don't care what you may say, I AM gonna pray for you!

My story is somewhere in here......not gonna rehash it all......

As far as what I believe....just go here Deliverance Bible Church (http://www.deliverancebiblechurch.com)

why, just why.. it just pisses me off, i mean come on WHY! gimme a reason please because i dont actually want to be prayed for, i dont want to be within the confines of religion

EVERYBODYS FREE! thats why i hate evangelism. it even goes so far as to divide a religion its self how stoopiddd

nope - I am not ashamed!!! :love:
i can be for you if you wish

[amyberthelet]

you want a reason - u got it - because I am a CHRISTIAN!

I used to say I was an atheist too - I was an Objectivist. I wanted proof. I got it. My proof would not make sense to you. But where I was at and for what I went through, it did to me and changed my life forever.

Yes we are free - free to accept God's mrcy or reject it. I cannot force God on you - nobody was able to do that to me. It took me literally coming to the end of myself - long story which is somewhere on here. I think it's called My Story, can't remember exactly where it is, maybe the drugs forum.....

Anyway, I do not mind chatting at all if you ever want to look me up on Yahoo...... just click the icon.

[DJCliffy]

I worship Megan Fox.

[p0ly]

to be honest if i went through what Amy did i'd probaly cling on to religion aswell, good escape

[uglyprettytrash]

religious debates tire so quickly.

PERSONAL FAITH BEATS ORGANISED RELIGION.
imo.

[joshd96320]

you want a reason - u got it - because I am a CHRISTIAN!

I used to say I was an atheist too - I was an Objectivist. I wanted proof. I got it. My proof would not make sense to you. But where I was at and for what I went through, it did to me and changed my life forever.

Yes we are free - free to accept God's mrcy or reject it. I cannot force God on you - nobody was able to do that to me. It took me literally coming to the end of myself - long story which is somewhere on here. I think it's called My Story, can't remember exactly where it is, maybe the drugs forum.....

Anyway, I do not mind chatting at all if you ever want to look me up on Yahoo...... just click the icon.

ive read your story before

its an interesting read but i dont like the fact that you stated that you cant quit without god, as many have quit without this geeza.. i can see how this belief helped you but the points you make nobody being able to do a certain thing without good annoys me a bit. me and you are comparable in one way, we both arent going to accept any of each others point, this argument could spiral until we both die, you will never turn back atheist and i will never belief in a theory i find incredible - both sides are driven by powerful propaganda techniques and i guess ive been partially slave to the media i have chosen to follow but i am starting to see my own light, my own theories are fabricating, and im kind of reaching a sense of spirituality and a bit of a greater understanding. we can keep arguing but at the end of the day your gunna stay christian because thats where you went at rock bottom and so if you see it as a sea bed, thats where christianity is in you and its gunna take a fuckload of digging to dig that up. for me, atheism isnt on the sea bed or in the sea, its the damn core so nobody can get religion on me either.

basically what im saying is this will keep going on and on,, :)

to be honest if i went through what Amy did i'd probaly cling on to religion aswell, good escape
im not an escapist, ill find it within myself if its something that must be done, i have confidence in that

[amyberthelet]

Sorry if you don't care for the way I worded it.....not gonna change tho :wink:

I just hope NOBODY has to go thru what I did in order to be saved - I wouldn't wish all that on anyone!

[spark_plug]

religious debates tire so quickly.

PERSONAL FAITH BEATS ORGANISED RELIGION.
imo.

this is why we should live together!

[joshd96320]

religious debates tire so quickly.

PERSONAL FAITH BEATS ORGANISED RELIGION.
imo.

best answer

not in your opinion

thats true! :P

tailor made! should have a jingly slogan

[PhilKmorgan]

best answer

not in your opinion

thats true! :P

tailor made! should have a jingly slogan

skin up, chief..

[p0ly]

hahaha that post i made josh i did add something else to it.... but it was abit nasty so i deleted it..... i'll tell u on msn wot it was

[uglyprettytrash]

this is why we should live together!
ALL IN GOOD TIME!

best answer

not in your opinion

thats true! :P

tailor made! should have a jingly slogan
thank you!
i merely find such cyclic conversations boring. people are stubborn and over-opinionated. let everyone believe in jesus, or ghosts, reincarnation, ufos or whatever it is that takes their fancy in peace. it doesn't matter and i don't give a flying fuck either way if i'm honest.

[joshd96320]

skin up, chief..
i dont do ze herb, im a good boy

ALL IN GOOD TIME!


thank you!
i merely find such cyclic conversations boring. people are stubborn and over-opinionated. let everyone believe in jesus, or ghosts, reincarnation, ufos or whatever it is that takes their fancy in peace. it doesn't matter and i don't give a flying fuck either way if i'm honest.

raaa i dont mind much either, but its when its slapped in your face and just seems so simpleton and silly

[p0ly]

so lemme summarise, Amy came back to try a lil some more subtle preaching + attempt to sell us some things. nice

[joshd96320]

*licks finger and touch thread*

TSSSSSS ;)

Burnssssss ooooohh

[p0ly]

hey amy you could call up one of those televangelist numbers and get some free miracle water with it!!

[DIONYSUS]

Hey everyone. I've been gone for a while cuz I'm desperately trying to earn money, not bc you 'chased me away' :wink: But to be honest, I have said all there is to say.... y'all know where I stand as far as God - debating till I'm blue in the face will not make one whit of difference - the only way to 'prove' anyting is for the Holy Spirit to move and convince you. NOTHING I say will do that. You can call it a copout or being weak or whatever, but it's the truth. Debating whether or not God exists only flares up my anxiety - and that is DEFINITELY not God! I continue to pray for y'all, and hope that if you are ever in the straits I was in due to partying, you will call upon the Lord for His mercy and be saved - literally.

If I happen to slip and say something 'religious' - just say - ok she's the rebel who believes in God :weee:

I WILL discuss (as opposed to argue/debate) however! But pls keep in mind I am also trying to work contest puzzles, do mystery shopping, surveys etc at the same time! :love:

fair play amy. we should all be tolerant of each others beliefs. I dont belive in your version of god, but whatever makes you happy. Also i dont really see the point of arguing on the net. especially about a subject that has been discussed to death! :love:

[SweetAss]

fair play amy. we should all be tolerant of each others beliefs. I dont belive in your version of god, but whatever makes you happy. Also i dont really see the point of arguing on the net. especially about a subject that has been discussed to death! :love:

Well said materaaa

[p0ly]

it's our nature to be stubborn and keep hold of our beliefs, doesn't mean they are true

[amyberthelet]

All I know is - God has put a call on my life to preach. Sin separates you from God. Unless you repent and turn away from your sin you WILL be judged and end up in hell. Doesn't matter what you believe - truth is truth. I don't want anyone to end up in hell.

I'm done with that. I've warned you - the choice is yours.

And pls don't link my jewelry to televangelist nonsense........I am in earnest trying to help my family out!

[joshd96320]

All I know is - God has put a call on my life to preach. Sin separates you from God. Unless you repent and turn away from your sin you WILL be judged and end up in hell. Doesn't matter what you believe - truth is truth. I don't want anyone to end up in hell.

I'm done with that. I've warned you - the choice is yours.

And pls don't link my jewelry to televangelist nonsense........I am in earnest trying to help my family out!

how stupid

i just cant understand how a religious person can be so inane as to believe this shit. just because i dont acknowledge belief in the existence of a divine being, i am by your words pretty much sent to burn eternally. how can none of you realize that this is just a shallow attempt to control people and bend to a minority or overlords views (for example the crusade) and keeping people in check. It is so shallow it is unbelievable. yeah it worked in the middle ages but we are in the 21st century, the average iq has probably doubled by now and perhaps by coincidence, but probably not, there are ever growing numbers of non believers.

your saying even somebody who has done bad can just repent and go to heaven, whereas an atheist who has been a do gooder all his life goes to hell, what a crock of absolute stinking potent bullshit.

you dont want anyone to end up in hell? i wouldnt want people to burn for eternity either. but i feel safe, coz this aint gunna fuckin happen.

"Doesn't matter what you believe - truth is truth. "

yeah your quite right there. truth is truth. and the truth is that science is more credible in this world of data than your choice of religion. when you die, nobody is gunna be judged, infact when you die, nothing will happen. your just dead. end of. you get buried / cremated whatever.

in the end none of us can be sure but i can damn sure bet generally scientific theories are more credible, at least they prevent a level of evidence and knowledge and even literacy.

I can at least sympathise with Jews where they believe that good people go to 'heaven' and bad to 'hell'. but organised religions on the whole are just a shallow control device in my strong opinion.

the choice is mine, ill follow the more credible theory, and if your right, i wont repent, ill burn in hell forever with my likeminded ones, since technically this will be heaven for me. i will be with people i want to be with. if heaven is perfect, but i would be with other religious people like you, it wouldnt actually be perfect. so take me to hell its the lesser of the evils imo.

[amyberthelet]

OOOOK. So be it.

Man, people sure do expend a lot of energy arguing against something they say they don't believe in, hmmmm.

[uglyprettytrash]

how stupid

i just cant understand how a religious person can be so inane as to believe this shit. just because i dont acknowledge belief in the existence of a divine being, i am by your words pretty much sent to burn eternally. how can none of you realize that this is just a shallow attempt to control people and bend to a minority or overlords views (for example the crusade) and keeping people in check. It is so shallow it is unbelievable. yeah it worked in the middle ages but we are in the 21st century, the average iq has probably doubled by now and perhaps by coincidence, but probably not, there are ever growing numbers of non believers.

your saying even somebody who has done bad can just repent and go to heaven, whereas an atheist who has been a do gooder all his life goes to hell, what a crock of absolute stinking potent bullshit.

you dont want anyone to end up in hell? i wouldnt want people to burn for eternity either. but i feel safe, coz this aint gunna fuckin happen.

"Doesn't matter what you believe - truth is truth. "

yeah your quite right there. truth is truth. and the truth is that science is more credible in this world of data than your choice of religion. when you die, nobody is gunna be judged, infact when you die, nothing will happen. your just dead. end of. you get buried / cremated whatever.

in the end none of us can be sure but i can damn sure bet generally scientific theories are more credible, at least they prevent a level of evidence and knowledge and even literacy.

I can at least sympathise with Jews where they believe that good people go to 'heaven' and bad to 'hell'. but organised religions on the whole are just a shallow control device in my strong opinion.

the choice is mine, ill follow the more credible theory, and if your right, i wont repent, ill burn in hell forever with my likeminded ones, since technically this will be heaven for me. i will be with people i want to be with. if heaven is perfect, but i would be with other religious people like you, it wouldnt actually be perfect. so take me to hell its the lesser of the evils imo.


That doesn't bother me. It's one of the oldest Christian beliefs (originating with Luther in the early sixteenth century I THINK, but don't quote me). What I don't understand is, if you are using forums such as this to merely sell jewellery so you can support your family - why would your political beliefs to be to cut public spending? It doesn't make sense to me.

I think the heat's making me irritable. BAH HUMBUG.

[p0ly]

hmmm maybe he's annoyed about something he don't believe in COS IT'S SATAN'S DOING!...... ffs

why don't you think a little bit out of the box for one second, no ones gonna burn in hell cos they don't believe in an invisible man in the sky...

my religion is that if you are clever enough to look past THE STUPIDITY and CRUELTY of religion (christianity, islam etc) you will go to heaven

[amyberthelet]

Well that's not the only reason I'm on here - that's just my latest job.

K, time to get the ol brain in gear lol. I dont see where selling something I make ranks up there with spending billions of dollars.

[p0ly]

hey Amy, if u get enough subscribers on youtube you get paid for it...

hahahahahaha

[amyberthelet]

polygon, pls stop trying to talk me out of my beliefs. I stand on the cross and Christ crucified, period. You do not. Ok. I'm not happy bout it but then, it's not about making ME happy.

[amyberthelet]

and please don't poke fun at my efforts to earn money

[p0ly]

Amy i tried to show you why u angered josh............ wake up please

[p0ly]

what a joke

[joshd96320]

OOOOK. So be it.

Man, people sure do expend a lot of energy arguing against something they say they don't believe in, hmmmm.

yep, id rather spend energy against it rather than accepting it

That doesn't bother me. It's one of the oldest Christian beliefs (originating with Luther in the early sixteenth century I THINK, but don't quote me). What I don't understand is, if you are using forums such as this to merely sell jewellery so you can support your family - why would your political beliefs to be to cut public spending? It doesn't make sense to me.

I think the heat's making me irritable. BAH HUMBUG.

whyd you quote my post? im not selling jewelery :P

hmmm maybe he's annoyed about something he don't believe in COS IT'S SATAN'S DOING!...... ffs

why don't you think a little bit out of the box for one second, no ones gonna burn in hell cos they don't believe in an invisible man in the sky...

my religion is that if you are clever enough to look past THE STUPIDITY and CRUELTY of religion (christianity, islam etc) you will go to heaven

the one clever aspect of religion is how much the fuckers can bloody brainwash you!! :O and when i say brainwash, i fucking mean washes the brain out of your head and slaps and impales it against some fuckin sharp spikes and turns u into a .. well, christian.

Well that's not the only reason I'm on here - that's just my latest job.

K, time to get the ol brain in gear lol. I dont see where selling something I make ranks up there with spending billions of dollars.

money cant buy life

[uglyprettytrash]

Well that's not the only reason I'm on here - that's just my latest job.

K, time to get the ol brain in gear lol. I dont see where selling something I make ranks up there with spending billions of dollars.

It all comes down to taxes. Though I disagree with how our taxes are often dealt with (and this isn't even considering the current expenses bollocks), I am a humanist supporter of a stable public state that minimises the difference between the rich and the poor. It is admittedly difficult to debate properly though, as the UK and US are quite different.

[amyberthelet]

Well, that difference will be getting smaller if the prez has his way.

I have been and continue to be a staunch capitalist. I believe people in this country have the right to earn money and improve their status of life. I am against a 'nanny state' that gives handouts and then holds power over everybody.

[DJCliffy]

i believe in communism. God how i'd love to rule this country, How the people would love and adore me and if they didn't i would crush them. Imperial dogs. Sorry went off on one there. :laugh_at:

[DIONYSUS]

i believe in communism. God how i'd love to rule this country, How the people would love and adore me and if they didn't i would crush them. Imperial dogs. Sorry went off on one there. :laugh_at:

:laugh_at:

[Iacchus]

I'm all in favour of people having religions, whatever floats your boat and works for you etc.

However one of the main problems in the world is people who feel the need to convert other people to their religion.

The christians want the whole world to be christian, the muslims want the whole world to be muslim etc, do you not see a massive flaw with this way of thinking?? It can only lead to unpleasantness.

I'm happy for you for having a solid faith cos thats a great thing but one thing I've learnt over the years is that you dont make any friends by going on about it. It's pretty patronising to say 'I'll pray for you' because it implies you think you're right and everyone else is wrong, bless our misguided cotton socks.

I may be guilty of going on about things myself to some extent but I hope its always in the context of discussing the meaning of life and not just a random evangelical burst of information.

Hope you take this as friendly advice and not having a go.

[amyberthelet]

Ok, I kinda see where you're coming from. I used to think that way myself. But as a Christian I follow Jesus, who instructed His disciples to go and spread the gospel! It's what we're sposed to do, along with loving others as ourself and helping the poor, needy etc. Plus when I say I will pray for you it's NOT meant as condescending - rather as a gift.

Jesus said , "I am the Way the Truth and the Life......"

I have said enuff - onward! :love:

[joshd96320]

Ok, I kinda see where you're coming from. I used to think that way myself. But as a Christian I follow Jesus, who instructed His disciples to go and spread the gospel! It's what we're sposed to do, along with loving others as ourself and helping the poor, needy etc. Plus when I say I will pray for you it's NOT meant as condescending - rather as a gift.

Jesus said , "I am the Way the Truth and the Life......"

I have said enuff - onward! :love:

well stop bein a christian then its annoying!

your meant to be a do gooder

your doing more harm then good right now

[p0ly]

you are amy

[General Lighting]

Ok, I kinda see where you're coming from. I used to think that way myself. But as a Christian I follow Jesus, who instructed His disciples to go and spread the gospel! It's what we're sposed to do, along with loving others as ourself and helping the poor, needy etc. Plus when I say I will pray for you it's NOT meant as condescending - rather as a gift.

Jesus said , "I am the Way the Truth and the Life......"



Just as British people tend to have smaller motor vehicles and (when sober at least) are not as loud and outspoken in public, our preachers of all faiths are similar.

I come from a Christian family myself and am fully aware of the drive that Christians have to preach, in fact earlier today I was helping my mum explain a travel itinerary to her friend who is the pastor of a local church in Malaysia, as for some reason the itinerary was completely in German which neither my mum nor the pastor speaks!

But in this country and elsewhere in Europe and Asia Christians do all the stuff like helping the poor etc and also do try and spread the gospel, but they also accept than some people do not want to be "saved/converted" at that present time, they are happy with either their existing faith or none at all.

If this happens, our preachers and followers of faith groups walk away and find other people who are more receptive to their message, or they will share faith group resources and increase awareness without constantly trying to argue and convert people.

As an example, there is a bicycle repair workshop in my town in a few days time. The guy from the church hall (who is obviously Christian) has provided the hall for the use of the cycling group.

now the people in this group are of varied faith backgrounds. Some are Christian, others are Muslim, some are Pagans and others follow no faith at all. But they will all assemble together, and work on their common ground of having an interest in bicycles - without the Christian guy trying to openly convert people because he is supplying the resources.

In the church hall there are posters and leaflets advertising the Christian faith, but it is left up to the individuals whether or not they nead to read them. for all you know someone might have had a near miss on the roads that day and decide that the Lord saved them from being knocked down, and decide to follow the Christian faith thereafter - but it is left as individual choice....

[joshd96320]

If this happens, our preachers and followers of faith groups walk away and find other people who are more receptive to their message, or they will share faith group resources and increase awareness without constantly trying to argue and convert people.


basically he's saying if the preacher is unsuccessfull on first attempt, walk away....

*emphasis*

[DJCliffy]

Amy are your christian nights like this?

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[Dom_sufc]

I think this thread has actually been the most constructive upto, maybe because of the collective progression so far...

I am guilty of going overboard with this. I think sometimes I forget my own beliefs of respect, because It's alot harder when you have to have tolerance over something you are passionate about. To me, and the way I think revolves so far away from organised religion. To me, the future will be brighter without it.

However, mostly everyone on this planet has the same ideology in a small way. We all want to get along more or less. We all go different ways about doing it though. In religion, followers maybe think too literal through what has been told (my theory here...). For example, in Christianity, there are alot of things one must do, alot which may seem to conflict with each other. Maybe even the test of it all is to find the perfect balance between these. Tolerance! This could even be the same with Atheists, most of whom who want to evolve within themselves and assist humanity in their own small way by developing their own Ideas and improving themselves.

The main goal similarity between these can be achieved by tolerance.

It should be important for religious to realise when their own beliefs and passion to convert, actually is hypocritical to what they might have been told by their deitys to carry out. When it causes arguments like this. If this can spark through some of the nicest, tamest people going, then there is no hopes for the low lifes out there! Just as the same is with Atheists. We want to achieve our own goals, but by creating this friction, it cannot really be achieved. Even if the main goal is to have no religion. These debates certainly don't really get us anywhere!

I think sometimes Atheists are just as much to blame too. After all it might aswell be a religion. We have a strong passionate belief that we try and encourage sometimes in other people ect, and will argue till blue in the face to defend our corner! Much like alot of religious wars I suppose...

I don't know... I doubt there is a perfect answer! It just occurred to me when I realised how peaceful this forum is until someone mentions religion.

Lastly though, I will jump off the fence for a second, I do believe that some of your posts instigate these Amy. Unless I am replying to something related, I never (afaik) add my beliefs such as this into a post, at least not in the way where I am forcing it onto people who are obviously not interested in it.

I do feel I have been quite hypocritical in most of my posts regarding this, but I hope Im finally getting to the point where I start to believe and stick to my own ramblings :)

[joshd96320]

If this can spark through some of the nicest, tamest people going,

me ;p ;D


I think sometimes Atheists are just as much to blame too. After all it might aswell be a religion. We have a strong passionate belief that we try and encourage sometimes in other people ect, and will argue till blue in the face to defend our corner! Much like alot of religious wars I suppose...

im guilty of this... i just get a bit carried away and passionate about it because i want to be free.


I don't know... I doubt there is a perfect answer! It just occurred to me when I realised how peaceful this forum is until someone mentions religion.

you speak lots of sense


Lastly though, I will jump off the fence for a second, I do believe that some of your posts instigate these Amy.

very very very much so

[joshmow56]

I feel religions just a crutch for people who cant live life on their own. They feel the need for someone else to govern their life.

[ellie]

I think sometimes Atheists are just as much to blame too. After all it might aswell be a religion. We have a strong passionate belief that we try and encourage sometimes in other people ect, and will argue till blue in the face to defend our corner!

Unfortunately there is no hell and damnation to help the argument though!

[amyberthelet]

I feel religions just a crutch for people who cant live life on their own. They feel the need for someone else to govern their life.


WELL SAID!!!! :weee: YES - that is exactly right! I NEED GOD! I can't do this on my own! (Specially today when I am so stressed out bc of homelife that I am just trying to not have a stroke). To me, being a Christian means I totally surrender my life to Christ!!!!

I have been tolerant of sin too long and it nearly killed me.

If you wish to see what my church is like (not 'mine' - the one I go to lol)

Deliverance Bible Church (http://www.deliverancebiblechurch.com)

That's all for me as far as debates/arguments go - I need to

1 - work at home/ make some money

2 - try to stay CALM

[p0ly]

God needs me, i don't need that geezer.

[amyberthelet]

God doesn't need anyone - He CHOSE to create man! But I sure do need Him!

[PhilKmorgan]

Unfortunately there is no hell and damnation to help the argument though!

There's always Soddam & Gommorrah babe (I don't know if I have spelt this right)..

[p0ly]

God doesn't need anyone - He CHOSE to create man! But I sure do need Him!

but he seems to need our worship and praise, quite pathetic really...... he just wants everyone to lick his ass..... sounds human to me, nothing special about the guy AT ALL

[joshd96320]

God doesn't need anyone - He CHOSE to create man! But I sure do need Him!

without people god wouldnt 'exist' as there would have been nobody to create this story..
:crazy_dru

[Iacchus]

being a Christian means I totally surrender my life to Christ!!!!


FREE WILL FAIL

you should be in control of your own destiny, you've completely missed the point of the gift of sentience. God helps those who help themselves.

[p0ly]

FREE WILL FAIL

you should be in control of your own destiny, you've completely missed the point of the gift of sentience. God helps those who help themselves.

:laugh_at:

i like it!

[amyberthelet]

Can anyone find that phrase in the Bible????

It doesn't exist.

[p0ly]

If you don't put ANY effort in, you won't accomplish anything

God or no God.... c'mon Amy use your brain

[Dom_sufc]

Waaaaay thread bump. Whyyyy Amy.

Why am I replying to it aswell? Because im bored :love:

[p0ly]

so if Amy stays in the same place and starves that = free will?
but if in the same situation she eats, it was god doing it.

jeeesus LOS VEGAS

[knotek]

"I NEED GOD! I can't do this on my own! (Specially today when I am so stressed out bc of homelife that I am just trying to not have a stroke). To me, being a Christian means I totally surrender my life to Christ!!!!"

YES you can do this on your own!...everyone can do whatever they put their mind and heart to...good or evil...
being stressed out about the financial situation and the "sins of non believers" won't help you, it will only get worse (wish that it doesn't)...

"god" does not live outside somewhere...there is no inside or outside in "god"s territory...this is only the limited human perception as we try to figure out what is right and what is wrong...and the fear of "wrong doings" narrows our mind...why would i choose to be conditioned by the promise of eternal life after i die or the threat of eternal flames on my soul?
the time is NOW!!!
don't do good things telling yourself that it's for the future judgement...whenever u expect something u most certainly will be disappointed...do good because u feel like doing it and feel good about it, without expecting a reward...it would be much too arrogant to condition "god" like this..."hey god, i did a lot of good things, why don't u reward me with eternal life?"...arrogance is also a "sin"...actually, vanity is...

your point of view about god is very "human" as i see it...and humans are quite small and almost insignificant compared to the whole universe, or "the knigdom of god" if u like.

i also read the bible and found out that to decrypt the message inside, one has to be quite wise and risen above the "human condition"...besides, the bible is not complete...

"what goes around, comes around"...meaning that if u fear something that something will eventually come up in your life....alswo works viceversa, think good and true... and peace, wisdom and nice things will come up also.

maybe u should listen to Bob Marley on a beautiful sunday morning instead of a pastor.

before asking for god's forgiveness, u should FORGIVE YOURSELF first, and start from there, without conditioning and fears...if you truly believe in "god" than u should know...

if i recall properly, it was (also) jesus who said that before preaching and saving others, one must save oneself...and u don't seem safe to me, but quite desperate for saving...stop preaching and start learning! start knowing! knowledge is true power!

all we can do is feel good about ourselves, act accordingly to our feelings and everything will be just fine...no matter who is "watching and judging"

be strong and face your fears!
we came in this world not to bow down our heads and surrender to any god, we came in this world to enjoy life and make something good of it!

peace!