Tolerance of Illegal Raves in the Recession

[MisterDuck]

Does anyone else think that illegal raves/drugs etc. might be somewhat tolerated more this summer, as from the point of view of the authorities it's better for us to be loved up in a field than rioting on the streets... there's a lot of anger and call for action going on...

[joshd96320]

not sure... although i reckon theyll be more interested in putting their restricted resources [from the recession] into breaking up said riots / kickstarting economy. I also think there might be growth in the scene since more people will want to forget about the down times in a field , dacing. :bounce_fl

[MisterDuck]

not sure... although i reckon theyll be more interested in putting their restricted resources [from the recession] into breaking up said riots / kickstarting economy. I also think there might be growth in the scene since more people will want to forget about the down times in a field , dacing. :bounce_fl

people do become less selfish and hung up on their own greed in a recession, drug use generally does rise and i'd say the scene will grow a lot, a lot of people will get into the party scene

ironically imo a recession seems to make people happier in general, despite the frustrations

community spirit tends to poke its head out again

[joshd96320]

people do become less selfish and hung up on their own greed in a recession, drug use generally does rise and i'd say the scene will grow a lot, a lot of people will get into the party scene

ironically imo a recession seems to make people happier in general, despite the frustrations

community spirit tends to poke its head out again
yeah everyone pulls together - eh could be positives outta this :weee:

[General Lighting]

Does anyone else think that illegal raves/drugs etc. might be somewhat tolerated more this summer, as from the point of view of the authorities it's better for us to be loved up in a field than rioting on the streets... there's a lot of anger and call for action going on...

the first free parties happened around the 1990-1992 recession and cops don't forget stuff like this - they will only endure raves if they are less of a burden to society

unfortunately what I remember happening in SE England is there was about a year of decent parties, people caned the drugs loads and then they got shitty comedowns/depression and then rioted/smashed up loads of stuff in the streets anyway - most of the travellers also got onto heroin and the use of it went through the roof - which led to the CJA and more clampdowns..

the scene carried on in London but got more and more dark and violent by 1993/1994 and it was only when the economy came back up when blair got in that it picked up again in the provinces, but the gangs have never let go of the London scene...

also this particular depression may actually bring a lot of farming back to the UK - of course this is good environmentally but will mean more demand for land which will be more jealously guarded...

what might happen though is more legal events are endured because "townie" clubs have to let them happen or go bust otherwise... perhaps cops and councils will accept it as "lesser of many evils..."

[General Lighting]

yeah everyone pulls together - eh could be positives outta this :weee:

if you can get away with things like squatting buildings and converting them into social centres / infoshops then maybe - but its something what has to be played very carefully as older people haven't forgotten the fuck ups of yesteryear - crews like Brains Kan actually were all up for this but lost their way a bit...

also round here a empty building isn't always owned by a faceless London-based property company, but could belong to a local family who wanted to do something better with it but don't have the money, but are still (perhaps understandably) not too happy about the idea of randoms just taking it over rent free (this has apparently caused some friction in places like Stowmarket where squatting is popular)

[deliriyummy]

we can but only help that the police have better things to do. i mean im sure there is always something better to do than bust up a party. Lets just hope there are some VERY mischievous people out there this summer who are nothing to do with the party scene so they leave us very much alone.

Not that there is anything wrong with the scum making and appearance at a party, just so long as the fuck off again and keep their snufflers out.

Oh, And GL what do you mean by an Infoshop?

[General Lighting]

we can but only help that the police have better things to do. i mean im sure there is always something better to do than bust up a party. Lets just hope there are some VERY mischievous people out there this summer who are nothing to do with the party scene so they leave us very much alone.

Not that there is anything wrong with the scum making and appearance at a party, just so long as the fuck off again and keep their snufflers out.

in London and the surrounding suburbs the local gangs are far more of a issue than cops.

Oh, And GL what do you mean by an Infoshop?

Infoshop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infoshop)

[deliriyummy]

Oh great, why can't everyone just have love & respect for each other (including the scum to a limited degree). ... . . ah for a perfect world. :hopeless:

[photographthesun]

Oh great, why can't everyone just have love & respect for each other (including the scum to a limited degree). ... . . ah for a perfect world. :hopeless:

Are you aware of the irconic'ness of stating that you dont understand why people dont have love and respect for each other and then describing people as scum? lol made me chuckle/lose all hope for humanity

:weee:

[joshd96320]

Are you aware of the irconic'ness of stating that you dont understand why people dont have love and respect for each other and then describing people as scum? lol mad me chuckle

:weee:

plus one :weee::weee::laugh_at:

[MisterDuck]

Are you aware of the irconic'ness of stating that you dont understand why people dont have love and respect for each other and then describing people as scum? lol mad me chuckle

:weee:

i noticed this as well

it's a bit counter-productive innit

[deliriyummy]

Irony intended. Just to clarify. :) Yes i probably should call the police 'the scum' but in my humble opinion although many may have altruistic intentions, a number, which i wouldn't guess at as small are just bullies who do not look at the actual social implications of their (and their groups, the police's) actions. I have a larger distaste for the laws but a decided dislike for those who uphold laws (in cases with force) which make no sense.

Love x
Jack

[berksbadboy]

who do not look at the actual social implications of their (and their groups, the police's) actions.

mind you it gos both ways - you get those fuckwads who think its clever to start shit at parties - giving drugs to livestock, trashing farm buildings etc then they wonder why its on top to fuck the next time they party the same site.

one near us where some stupid twat parrently gave a horse an e - top use of your hard earned , muppett :you_crazy poor thing died - mdma probs isnt good for horseys and now of corse the owner who probabally a freemason and buggers the local chief of police on the side, is raising hell and demanding they do something bout parties in his area.

which ever fukwit did that didnt think through the impplications of his actions for all of us.

[General Lighting]

mind you it gos both ways - you get those fuckwads who think its clever to start shit at parties - giving drugs to livestock, trashing farm buildings etc then they wonder why its on top to fuck the next time they party the same site.

I notice you're about the same age as me (well 2 years younger), did you start raving in your teens in the 90s?

I did - and whilst ravers have been slightly better behaved at raves "back in the day" with regard to not trashing/vandalising venues as much, there was a lot of things I remember happening I'm not exactly proud of today - there was a recession then and drugs were expensive, leading to a culture of surviving by theft (shoplifting and even house burglary) as well as people moving very quick from pills to smack and crack (ketamine curiously wasn't as popular till the late 90s)

the wider effects of this and the impact on normal people (particularly families of addicts) have not been forgotten nor forgiven in some areas, particularly by middle aged people now in positions of power..

[DaftFader]

I notice you're about the same age as me (well 2 years younger), did you start raving in your teens in the 90s?

I did - and whilst ravers have been slightly better behaved at raves "back in the day" with regard to not trashing/vandalising venues as much, there was a lot of things I remember happening I'm not exactly proud of today - there was a recession then and drugs were expensive, leading to a culture of surviving by theft (shoplifting and even house burglary) as well as people moving very quick from pills to smack and crack (ketamine curiously wasn't as popular till the late 90s)

the wider effects of this and the impact on normal people (particularly families of addicts) have not been forgotten nor forgiven in some areas, particularly by middle aged people now in positions of power..
i think the "extacy boom" hadn't properly run it's corse till late 90's early 2000's which is when ket started taking over as a harder? substatute (more halusonagenic with less short term reprisals)
i'm only 23 but have noticed the same things as you .. i started going raving when i was about 13/14 in the late 90's (99 iirc)and even from then have noticed a change in ethos with the people i meet at raves! alltho E had a big part in rave culture back then (and way b4) it didn't seem to have such a detrimental effect (on it's own) as some drugs of choice now days, alltho it could lead to heaver drug use (i didn't notice this at the time as i was still young and nieve - but i guess my natural progression of "experimentation" speaks for it's self as i imagin it will do with many others) things now days seem to be actualy GEARED TOWARDS trashing things and generaly being wankers .. when back then it was just a by-product!

[General Lighting]

things now days seem to be actualy GEARED TOWARDS trashing things and generaly being wankers .. when back then it was just a by-product!

what I remember from the 90s is none of us were angels and people sometimes did stupid impulsive things (including criminal and anti-social behaviour) midweek during the comedown - it was still wrong and there was no excuse for it (hence the backlash), but I have noticed that its become part of the actual rave.

Even when mates of mine have got legal venues sorted some youths attend with the intention of smashing up parts of the venue and/or fighting, and some even call themselves "ravers" and stalk the party crews to cause hassle (as opposed to local townies just wandering in off the streets).

[DaftFader]

it's a misconseption of the term "raver" they have picked up on the mistakes of the past raves and idolised them .. kinda like young people might idolise a rapper who premotes violance just cos they are poor and need to buss a cap in yo ass fo G's to get doe to buy crack cos they can't handle the life in da hood :laugh_at:

[p0ly]

it's a misconseption of the term "raver" they have picked up on the mistakes of the past raves and idolised them .. kinda like young people might idolise a rapper who premotes violance just cos they are poor and need to buss a cap in yo ass fo G's to get doe to buy crack cos they can't handle the life in da hood :laugh_at:

hahaha, i do think mtv / rap has spawned a right load of lil rudeboy wiggas

[General Lighting]

it's a misconseption of the term "raver" they have picked up on the mistakes of the past raves and idolised them .. kinda like young people might idolise a rapper who premotes violance just cos they are poor and need to buss a cap in yo ass fo G's to get doe to buy crack cos they can't handle the life in da hood :laugh_at:

yep I agree with this - it started in the garage / grime / urban scene about 2001 when they started calling there events "raves", and the UKG scene actually chose to abandon the more pleasant bits of the electronic dance music culture and pick the path of violence and anger - then they wonder why feds try to lock things down with form 696...

http://www.grimepedia.co.uk/wiki/Wiley#Beefs

[DaftFader]

i am from the garage era .. i started off listening to vocal garage when garage used to be the offspring from oldskool (apart from sl2 on a ragga tip which i danced around my living room to when i was 6 i think >.< ) songs like "love bug" were just releaced in garage format ect. and things used to be nice and fluffy then .. even in that sceen!(but in the essence no comparison to the rave sceen). i actualy stoped listening to garage because of the transision to grime .. similaly to how i have stoped listening to d+b so much now due to the conatations it carries and the crowd it attracts ... theese are once what might be considered as new forms of art .. that have now been tainted by people getting too caught up in the "dark" aspect of the music and actualy taking on that form if not like that allready ...

http://www.grimepedia.co.uk/wiki/Wiley#Beefs
oh and wiley was pesant at a few later slammin vinyl raves at bagleys in the garage room that everyone avoided like tha plauge ... i don't know if you have ever been to bagleys ... but that place is a fucking sweat box ... once in the "chillout" room (a fucking cave with an arched concreat cealing) i was skining up a spliff back when i used to smoke weed and a big drip of sweat fell off the celing (and this was common place) and took out the bigger and better end of my spliff ... screwing!!!! ... what was really funny tho was that this chillout room (and most of the last/actualy underground rooms of bagleys) was a compleat shit hole and people were still dancing around the garage room with "nice shirts" and you could even smell the aftershave as you walked through it to get down staris to the hardcore room :laugh_at:

[General Lighting]

oh and wiley was pesant at a few later slammin vinyl raves at bagleys

he's still one now even if he's sold a few tunes :laugh_at:

is there such a thing as a "Freudian typo", sometimes misspellings show a higher level of conciousness.. :laugh_at:

[DaftFader]

haha i was gonna call him "willy" but thought it would be too childish :wink:

[berksbadboy]

I notice you're about the same age as me (well 2 years younger), did you start raving in your teens in the 90s?

I did - and whilst ravers have been slightly better behaved at raves "back in the day" with regard to not trashing/vandalising venues as much, there was a lot of things I remember happening I'm not exactly proud of today - there was a recession then and drugs were expensive, leading to a culture of surviving by theft (shoplifting and even house burglary) as well as people moving very quick from pills to smack and crack (ketamine curiously wasn't as popular till the late 90s)

the wider effects of this and the impact on normal people (particularly families of addicts) have not been forgotten nor forgiven in some areas, particularly by middle aged people now in positions of power..

i was a lickle older than that, i think tthe first one i went to was in 93 , it was in a feid near knutsford in cheshire somewhere - i was visiting a mate who was at the poly in crewe and as al the clubs were shite we went raving instead. cant remener a lot about it as i was off my cake for the whole time

After that i was bang into the scene - you and me were probably at some of the same parties as i used to do the ridgeway a lot in the late 90s and early 00s - there were some phat scenes up arround the knob until whois (darren ? , david ? , damien ? , summat beginining with d anyway) got asbo'd

I here what you are saying about raves and crime - i had a decent job so i didnnt need to gaet lairy for money , but my mate andy used to knock off payphones, 2 concrete blocks and a carjack - i'm sure you knosw the score - to fund his raving.

difference is we didnt start shit at parties - well appart from fighting if OB turned up - we certaainly didnt do stupid shite like spike live stock and smashing up tractors. Thats just asking for it all to come on top next time.

I reckon its to do with kids mixing their drugs , and taking weird shit - pills never made me want to trash shit, nor shrooms and herb , but some of the shit out there today is made from seriously nastty chemials and i reckon it just fucks up some peoples heads and makes them act like total wankers, corse some of them were probs total wankers to start with.

mate of mine went to a party a few weeks back and got his car trashed and graffed while he was raving - pickking on fellow ravers stuff :hopeless: :you_crazy that shit is totally not right