Violence Over Nudity Anyday

[O-D]

A friend of mine showed me this particularly troubling thread on an Islamic board. Keep account of the persons belief which is stated on the left and their decision.

Click here (http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/134279485-why-nudity-considered-worse-than-violence-curses-movies-games.html)

It would seem that some would prefer a violent act rather then seeing someone nekkid. I just can't understand how these people can say these things.

However, this is a pretty interesting observation to me especially when some (no idea about an actual statistical count) hold the view that, that Islam is a violent religion (Which I personally believe to be true)

Thoughts?

[General Lighting]

Exactly the same views are expressed by the more conservative Christians especially in the USA and other nations where they have political power.

This is reflected in the censorship regimes of US TV stations and hollywood - (bear in mind censorship is more underhand in the USA and the UK often using the "market" and programme funding streams to get stuff taken off air, such as advertiser boycotts.

Even in a fairly liberal minded country like the UK is literally only in the last 20 years that nudity and sex-related content was tolerated on TV; whilst an action series of 20-30 years ago was just as violent if not more.

All the main religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) have strong elements with links to violence, and strong anti sex/drugs/hedonism views which is why the world is locked into conflict.

I was reading just yesterday about the history of the village I work in and there were serious episodes of violence between rival Christian factions lasting many hundreds of years!

These conflicts still remain - nowadays they only happen to a lesser extent "by proxy" in Scotland and Ireland but they are still bubbling under the surface.

TBH many people worldwide genuinely believe in the ethos of "make war, not love", as putting aside desires like love and friendship or at least making them secondary to "getting ahead in life" can often make someone a top soldier, politician or businessperson..

[GiantMidget]

Ban religion.

[O-D]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/9d/BritishMuslims-ps.jpg

[MisterDuck]

erm well they are really talking about the effect of violence/nudity in a movie or game than the actual action in real life, just to be clear, but yeah still odd opinions

it's not just islam though, all religions breed some fucking illogical and ridiculous views, i suppose because they are based on a concept so illogical and ridiculous in the first place

jewish communities spouting support for israel and completely failing to even admit that bombing an orphanage was wrong etc.
the pope supported by his catholic followers telling africans that contraception is evil thus contributing to the spread of aids, or claiming that "homosexuality is as big a threat to humanity as global warming"

pretty sure even buddhist (the religion most atheists regard as the better one of the bunch) factions have been responsible for some dodgy stuff in the past

s'all fucking stupid
people are stupid
the end.

[GiantMidget]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/9d/BritishMuslims-ps.jpg

What a fucking mug. I wonder where this photo was taken, surely not in merry old England. That would be ridiculous, letting people sprout hatred and general rubbish towards and against the country they actually live in. =D

Did anyone see those pricks protesting in Luton against our soldiers? Made my blood boil!!!!!! :rant:

[p0ly]

What a fucking mug. I wonder where this photo was taken, surely not in merry old England. That would be ridiculous, letting people sprout hatred and general rubbish towards and against the country they actually live in. =D

Did anyone see those pricks protesting in Luton against our soldiers? Made my blood boil!!!!!! :rant:

i saw a muslim on bbc news a year or 2 ago with a sign completely the same getting interviewed very briefly, basically some idiot english muslim getting owned with one comment.

[GiantMidget]

Thing is though these morons are giving nice and generally peaceful muslims/Asians a bad name. I know quite a few Muslim's and they are pretty sound people so i don't like seeing a small minority of tossers ruining it for them .

However i feel that if someone is screaming for my decapitation due to me not believing in their religion, sprouting hatred against my fellow countryman and calling for a jihad against the west then i feel quite strongly that they should be rounded up and sent to whatever backwards stuck in the middleages hellhole which of course shall be of their own choosing paid for by the taxpayer. On arrival a small but quite effective 1500lb warhead shall be sent firstclass courtesy of the Royal Air Force and dropped onto their heads as a housewarming present with the words "Jihad this motherfuckers" written on it.

People might deem this offensive but to be honest i really don't care anymore, I'm fed up with these c*nts now, If they don't like this country then i have two words for them Fuck and Off! :crazy_diz

[General Lighting]

What a fucking mug. I wonder where this photo was taken, surely not in merry old England.

its possible it was staged as the photo came from a known "joke" site.


Did anyone see those pricks protesting in Luton against our soldiers? Made my blood boil!!!!!! :rant:yes. I would have no issue if the other muslims or Asians went and trashed their meeting place and killed these scum, and the coppers quietly "looked the other way". TBH if I didn't have a good job and too much to lose I would go there, and happily do the job myself. If they want jihad they can fucking well have it...

These people are simply criminal scum and linked with all sorts of stuff including robberies, heroin dealing and other gang related activity. They have been polluting this nation and the Asian communites for near enough 20 years now. the rest of the decent Asians hate them.

Unfortunately a lot of moderate Muslims and other British Asians did warn the cops and even MI5 back in the 1990s about all this and were ignored because some of the lads involved then had links with prominent Middle Eastern businessmen and Thatcho didn't want to endanger valuable trade links.

[p0ly]

[quote=General Lighting;313009]its possible it was staged as the photo came from a known "joke" site.

i know that pic is from encyclopedia dramatica, but i have seen people on the news honestly protesting with basically the same thing

[General Lighting]

i know that pic is from encyclopedia dramatica, but i have seen people on the news honestly protesting with basically the same thing


I was discussing this with a (moderate) Muslim at one place I worked at and we came to the agreement it was identical to footy hooliganism; the idea was to deliberately provoke a fight and destabilise an area in the same way that some Scots teams support different factions of Christianity.

It is part of criminal/gang culture with and should be treated as such... (I believe the cops arrested those protestors). incidentally its also often people linked to these groups what are doing things like nicking Richie T's bank details...

[General Lighting]

I also remember reading in some report that cops/MI5 actually found out that the BNP/NF and these extremist groups were meeting together in inner city areas to organise fights/brawls but also to divide up territory into Muslim and White areas, and also to ensure a "street culture" where young men basically ran the streets...

[p0ly]

doesnt sound too nice :crazy:

[GiantMidget]

I also remember reading in some report that cops/MI5 actually found out that the BNP/NF and these extremist groups were meeting together in inner city areas to organise fights/brawls but also to divide up territory into Muslim and White areas, and also to ensure a "street culture" where young men basically ran the streets...

See now that sounds fucking dreadful to me. I love the mix mash of different cultures that you see in day to day life and to have a white only area would be extremely dull imo. I put the BNP/NF etc in with those religious extremists, they're all absolute f*cking pricks! The sooner we destroy these scum the better off we'll all be :wink:

[General Lighting]

the whole situation is not nice at all. The Islamic terrorists are just the tip of the iceberg and there are also other rival groups willing to match their anger. I think it will get worse if anything as the credit crunch means people feel they have "nothing to lose".

The MI5 authors stress that the most pressing current threat is from Islamist extremist groups who justify the use of violence "in defence of Islam", but that there are also violent extremists involved in non-Islamist movements.


MI5 report challenges views on terrorism in Britain | UK news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1/print)

[General Lighting]

See now that sounds fucking dreadful to me. I love the mix mash of different cultures that you see in day to day life and to have a white only area would be extremely dull imo. I put the BNP/NF etc in with those religious extremists, they're all absolute f*cking pricks! The sooner we destroy these scum the better off we'll all be :wink:

its only fairly recently one of the 40 something right wing / football hooligan lot from Reading (where I used to live) was busted by BTP on a train near where Biotech and Titch live, and was found with a load of crude but viable IEDs (with evidence leading to further stash of suspect material in a London house).

The impression I got is his mission only failed as due to lack of local knowledge he had fucked up and got the wrong train at Norwich, ending up in a remote part of Suffolk. On finding he was in the wrong place he became verbally abusive to the National Express staff who called BTP and had him arrested. Had he not fucked up I expect he would have targeted multicultural areas such as Ipswich or London.

These right wingers also tried to disrupt a rave some of my mates did back in the late 90s in Reading, they were chasing black men down the streets with iron bars. Also they had a pop at the East Anglian raves too doing much the same and some people linked to this forum very bravely ejected them!

Around the same time a mate of mine (white) has also had Pakistani "gangsters" prey on his squat - they didn't claim to be Muslim or chat about religion but they gave him and the others a right kicking and smashed his own guitar over his head and "evicted" the squat like vigilantés and smashed it up..

[GiantMidget]

the whole situation is not nice at all. The Islamic terrorists are just the tip of the iceberg and there are also other rival groups willing to match their anger. I think it will get worse if anything as the credit crunch means people feel they have "nothing to lose".



MI5 report challenges views on terrorism in Britain | UK news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1/print)

I think we should just all band together and form a militia against these fuckers! We'll call it the British Revolutionary Army. raaa

Seriously though, As long as we carry on living peacefully with each other then these pricks will never win. I'm going to be a bit more vocal in this subject i think, Fed up of all this bullshit. :love:

[O-D]

I think we should just all band together and form a militia against these fuckers! We'll call it the British Revolutionary Army. raaa

Seriously though, As long as we carry on living peacefully with each other then these pricks will never win. I'm going to be a bit more vocal in this subject i think, Fed up of all this bullshit. :love:

Living peacefully is great mate, truly. But that isn't enough, there's a discussion in the UN to make freedom of speech out of bounds of the religion of Islam punishable by imprisonment and we're doing fuck all about it.

[GiantMidget]

there's a discussion in the UN to make freedom of speech out of bounds of the religion of Islam punishable by imprisonment and we're doing fuck all about it.

Sorry i don't understand that mate, so if you say a bad word against Islam you are imprisoned, is that it? :crazy:

[General Lighting]

Living peacefully is great mate, truly. But that isn't enough, there's a discussion in the UN to make freedom of speech out of bounds of the religion of Islam punishable by imprisonment and we're doing fuck all about it.

do you have links to this discussion?

There is also a wider problem though - Britain and the West have much less power than 20/30 years ago as we are dependent on the conservative Islamic nations for supplies of crude oil. China and Russia will sit on the fence as they have their own oil and can (and do) trade with both sides. The USA is morally and financially bankrupt and is thus losing its power.

Are you willing to minimise your consumption and travel in order to reduce our dependency on Middle Eastern oil?

[O-D]

do you have links to this discussion?

There is also a wider problem though - Britain and the West have much less power than 20/30 years ago as we are dependent on the conservative Islamic nations for supplies of crude oil. China and Russia will sit on the fence as they have their own oil and can (and do) trade with both sides. The USA is morally and financially bankrupt and is thus losing its power.

Are you willing to minimise your consumption and travel in order to reduce our dependency on Middle Eastern oil?

I think if we actually did that then much, much more money would be invested in finding a new renewable resource for our power needs.
Better to be dependant then a lackey of religious freaks.

Here are a couple of links mate, one being the actual paperwork:

A U.N. resolution seeks to criminalize opinions that differ with the Islamic faith. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine (http://www.slate.com/id/2212662/) - News article about it
http://www.eyeontheun.org/assets/attachments/documents/6979.pdf - The aforementioned documentation.

Note staight away in the second link that 'Islamophobia' is used often when it's been proven to be a nonsense word.

[GiantMidget]

I think if we actually did that then much, much more money would be invested in finding a new renewable resource for our power needs.
Better to be dependant then a lackey of religious freaks.



Agreed. The sooner we develop this the better. have you seen my algae thread? (not taking the piss, genuine thread!) :weee:

[O-D]

Agreed. The sooner we develop this the better. have you seen my algae thread? (not taking the piss, genuine thread!) :weee:

I don't throw away any idea unless I see evidence proving the contrary.
Be that as it may, I don't have enough interest in learning about new renewable resources to research it and I'm busy enough learning about other things that interest me.
But I can count on you and others to take my place, so I know we're covered.raaaraaa

[GiantMidget]

I don't throw away any idea unless I see evidence proving the contrary.
Be that as it may, I don't have enough interest in learning about new renewable resources to research it and I'm busy enough learning about other things that interest me.
But I can count on you and others to take my place, so I know we're covered.raaaraaa

Haha nice one mate, I won't let you down! :love: :weee:

[MisterDuck]

its possible it was staged as the photo came from a known "joke" site.

yes. I would have no issue if the other muslims or Asians went and trashed their meeting place and killed these scum, and the coppers quietly "looked the other way".

sorry GL but imo you lose all credibility in your arguments when you come out with over-the-top extreme statements like this, i mean brilliant, they protested against a soldiers parade and in peoples opinions this was harsh, lets sacrifice human rights straight off

there is a fundamental reason the police protected them. you may not like, i don't particularly like it (anti-war protests should be directed against the government) but the fact we have the fundamental right to protest is what makes britain the progressive country that it is

take away these human rights and civil liberties and the extremists have won. they are looking to change our society, well denying fundamental civil rights that make britain a free country would be doing just that.

furthermore this story is entirely insignificant in the grand scheme of things, and was jumped on by the sun, a paper i'm sure we all know is populist shite and not the most balanced.

and i can understand (no, not agree with) perhaps some of the arguments behind the protests, i'd equate them to a Unionist/Loyalist march through Free Derry, after all, that was in "their country" too, and the Republicans were the "outsiders"...

[General Lighting]

sorry GL but imo you lose all credibility in your arguments when you come out with over-the-top extreme statements like this, i mean brilliant, they protested against a soldiers parade and in peoples opinions this was harsh, lets sacrifice human rights straight off


no I stand by what I say as I am British Asian, proud of it and I've noticed the activities of these scum since long before you were born. They are genuine extremists, genuinely dangerous and violence is the only language they will understand. There is a point where progressive thought and "human rights" ends.

Of course I currently wouldn't attack them because I have too much to lose by doing so, and in many ways its the fault of the feds / MI5 for not dealing with them in 1991 when they could have stopped this problem at source. the cops were only protecting them because they understandaly don't want a riot in luton and damage to an already embittered area.

Even the moderate British Asian journalists such as Sarfraz Manzoor have clearly expressed distaste for this group and also confirmed their links to actual extremist groups and I believe guys like him more than the Murdoch rags.

What is worse is that the extremists aren't from poor backgrounds in either Luton or Pakistan - they are middle class, they know politics and they know that in a democratic country like Britain politicians instruct generals rather than the other way round.

Knowing this, they still chose to target the soldiers, either they are too cowardly to protest at Gordon Brown etc or they definitely wanted to stir up a civil conflict.

OK killing them would unfortunately make them martyrs and more would take their place but maybe the Civil Courts should be used to make these middle class protestors pay for the costs of Bedfordshires policing rather than council tax payers having to do so? After all this has been used against far more "harmless" eco protestors...

[MisterDuck]

no I stand by what I say as I am British Asian, proud of it and I've noticed the activities of these scum since long before you were born.

that is irrelevant and my age hardly makes my opinion any less valid

They are genuinely extremists, genuinely dangerous and violence is the only language they will understand. is that not being assumptious? they were holding up signs at a soldier parade. if they were violent they woulda all been nicked, and if they were truly dangerous extremists i doubt they'd waste their time at a soldiers parade chanting, no matter what the content of it

There is a point where progressive thought and "human rights" ends.not for me, not now, not in the future.

and even if it did, a group of 30 people holding up a few signs and saying something fairly offensive to the population is not a justification to sacrifice human rights

Of course I currently only wouldn't attack them because I have too much to lose by doing so, and in many ways its the fault of the feds / MI5 for not dealing with them in 1991 when they could have stopped this problem at source. the cops were only protecting them because they understandaly don't want a riot in luton and damage to an already embittered area.and 'cos it's their right to protest. whatever they are saying. and a lot of people claim they "would" attack people or "sort them out", i've never met you in real life so i cannot fully say but from your personality on here i'm not sure if thats any difference to people in your average numskull pub hypothesising about being willing to personally execute rapists.

[General Lighting]

your own age is only a issue because you obviously wouldn't have known about all the 20 years of middle class Islamic extremism brewing in British universities and colleges and we are finally at a stage where the authorities and the wider community are starting to do something about it. if they had done so in the 90s maybe it wouldn't have kicked off but I expect they also didn't want to expose the deals in the Middle East..

is that not being assumptious? they were holding up signs at a soldier parade. if they were violent they woulda all been nicked, and if they were truly dangerous extremists i doubt they'd waste their time at a soldiers parade chanting, no matter what the content of it


Like the extreme right, there are different levels of people - those what have relatively "clean" records who can afford to protest and not get nicked, but as the MI5 report mentioned its not as clear cut as people think and its hard to just go around nicking people for being at a protest - but its also the same as the BNP or even animal rights/eco protests ; there are people at these marches with substantial criminal records for violence who "behave" because there are a lot of cops there and hence they don't get nicked.

Then you've got the "footsoldiers" who are often unemployed lads doing things like mugging people, selling heroin etc, above that there's slightly smarter lads using their tech knowledge for credit card fraud etc.

of course the smarter people use the working class lads (or even mentally ill people) to do their dirty work (such as bombings, attacks, actual crime)

i've never met you in real life so i cannot fully say but from your personality on here i'm not sure if thats any difference to people in your average numskull pub hypothesising about being willing to personally execute rapists.The only reason I would not execute someone like a rapist is because its illegal, I would go to prison and lose everything I've worked for - which is what most of the "blokes in the pub" realise too however grudgingly.

nearly all men I know (and I don't hang around with obvious thugs) including myself would actually take matters into their own hands if they can get away with it. I'm not ashamed to admit this, but realise also this is why we need cops/feds/courts and surveillance.

I've seen people regularly carry out DIY justice - not executions of course (or I would end up having to hide dark secrets or be quizzed by cops) but certainly give people a few slaps and it shows how fragile "civilisation" really is when no one is watching.

[noname]

I think what Boothy is saying here GL isn't about whether extremists are dangerous (because they obviously are)...

But the way we choose to deal with it is what will define how far their hatred and ignorance has affected us. We choose to believe in human rights as a society - whether or not someone else shares this belief is entirely beside the point. There is no point at which those rights get suspended - every human gets them regardless of how mad they happen to be...

Doesn't mean we have to sit quietly and allow them to run rampant, quite the opposite in fact - hatred should be taken on and dealt with wherever you encounter it, but emulating and propagating it is not dealing with it.... its just sinking to the lowest common denominator.

As a small green fellow in a galaxy far far away said: "Fear, hatred, vengeance, paths to the dark side these are hmmm?"

There is something fundamentally twisted about a preference for violence over nudity - we arent born wearing clothes are we? :you_crazy The fear of a natural condition to the point where the sight of people abusing each other is preferable implies dark things about the group mindset whether the choice is as informed as that or not.
The acceptance of imposed morality of this kind, without understanding of its implications nor exploring of them, speaks of a strong social control being operated by leaders intent on cleaving this group of people from international society [so as to make it easier to control them] for their own personal power gain.

Another fact to bear in mind is that we live in a world where the media believes only bad news sells - they will go to great lengths to find these examples of bad news and inflate them far beyond their original significance [in some cases inciting violence due to their readers or viewers reactions]. All news should be filtered with this in mind.
:arrow: Bad news is being chosen for it headline grabbing potential - there is plenty of bad news the media dont report, for whatever reason, that is a lot worse than this story. Mass genocide of entire groups, death by starvation of large groups of people displaced into refugee camps to mention but a couple. And while these forgotten wars rage on the uk media is all over some celebrity because their marriage may be a bit rocky or some similar piece of gossip.
Partly we as a news consuming public are to blame - our vicarious enjoyment of other people's misfortune, as a way of making ourselves feel better, is not an appealing trait and the media wouldnt keep serving it up if people were not choosing to consume it.

The only reason I would not execute someone like a rapist is because its illegal, I would go to prison and lose everything I've worked for - which is what most of the "blokes in the pub" realise too however grudgingly.

Really true? Because if it were legal you would be losing something far more important than time and material goods. Each time you execute a rapist (or whatever), they will take a part of you and replace it with a small part of them - making you more like them....

no I stand by what I say as I am British Asian, proud of it and I've noticed the activities of these scum since long before you were born. They are genuine extremists, genuinely dangerous and violence is the only language they will understand. There is a point where progressive thought and "human rights" ends.

M8 - I've been around as long as you have, but like Boothy fail utterly to see that point where progressive thought and human rights ends - thats like saying "fuck it lets burn the house to the ground" just cos some numbnuts set fire to your kitchen bin (surely better to get a bucket o water and pour it over both numbnuts and bin is it no?)...:you_crazy