Tough Questions that Christianity Has No Satisfactory Answer To?

[amyberthelet]

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

Some problems, like the suffering of the innocent, have vexed the minds of the greatest Christian theologians down the centuries. Isn't this an insuperable barrier to belief in a good God? How can you give any Made Easy answers to such block-busting questions?

ADMIT THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM

There are some difficulties which do not appear to have any satisfactory answers. In humility, we have to admit this. On the next few pages we will examine some of these tough questions.

MAKE USE OF THE LIGHT YOU HAVE

1. STUDY THE BIBLE

Some of the "Tough Questions" will be fully and satisfactorily answered in the Bible.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV

2. REFLECT ON THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS AND THE PRINCIPLES UNDERLYING HIS TEACHINGS.

When people ask: "What is God like?" Christians reply,, "Look at Jesus. Look at His life, His healings, His teachings, His death and resurrection." When people ask: "What does Christianity teach?" Christians reply, "Check and see what Jesus the supreme Teacher had to say on this topic".

3. RELY ON THE HOLY SPIRIT

"The philosophers of old made reason the sole ruler of man and listened only to her, as the arbiter of conduct. But Christians make reason move aside and give complete submission to the Holy Spirit." John Calvin

Ask for the Holy Spirit's help as you tackle these "Hard Questions".

4. DISCUSS THESE TOUGH QUESTIONS WITH CHRISTIAN FRIENDS

If you belong to a Christian group discuss some of these questions together.

WHAT'S THE CONCLUSION?

Christians have a duty to answer (to the best of their ability) any genuine questions about their faith.

"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect." 1 Peter 3:15

A QUOTE TO CHEW OVER

"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth." John 16:13

.....more to follow

- Hard Questions about christianity made easy (Hendrickson)

[photographthesun]

so if someone tells u 1 +1 = 1, but you wish to believe 1 + 1 = 5 then if you keep thinking about it, read a few speculative books on vaguly relevent subjects and talk to enough people who also wish 1 + 1 = 5 then the awnser will become truth.

[DaftFader]

1. STUDY THE BIBLE

Some of the "Tough Questions" will be fully and satisfactorily answered in the Bible.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
also study the history of the bible and study history in general without a biast point of view and look at how the "actual bible" is hidden by the the very people that claim to be god's messangers ... and only the parts of the original scripture are put in the book that is now called the bible. not the whole thing as what is in the original scripture that the bible you read is taken from wich actualy goes against christianity every one belives in ... hence the reason why it is hidden away and not common knolage .. alltho people do know about it otherwise i wouldn't .. thing is people are so wound up in beliving something cos if they dont they will go to hell .. they are to scared to doubt it ... controll of the masses my dear .. it hurts me to say .. but it's true


2. REFLECT ON THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS AND THE PRINCIPLES UNDERLYING HIS TEACHINGS.

When people ask: "What is God like?" Christians reply,, "Look at Jesus. Look at His life, His healings, His teachings, His death and resurrection." When people ask: "What does Christianity teach?" Christians reply, "Check and see what Jesus the supreme Teacher had to say on this topic".

how many people claim to have spoken to god these days? loads ... the world goes back millions of years b4 the human race was born .. yes even b4 adam and eve. why is it that only humans have "the right" to be affiliated with god .. i know all animals are gods creatures but what makes us any better than the other animals? .. is it that we have an IMAGINATION ? ... you tell me what god is like .. and what jezus is like .. i bet you think jezus was a pale white guy .. well actualy he was dark skined like the rest of the people that were born/lived in the area at the time ... how many pale white isralies do you know? as to what jesus taught .. well i agree with the idea that we should all be good to one and other .. that is a given ... but to denounce the right of freedom of thought to some higher entaty .. sounds a bit like some one is tring to controll you to me .. doesn't it sound funny to you that some one who cares for you sooo much (god) would hold you back and deny you of all the things you want?

3. RELY ON THE HOLY SPIRIT

"The philosophers of old made reason the sole ruler of man and listened only to her, as the arbiter of conduct. But Christians make reason move aside and give complete submission to the Holy Spirit." John Calvin

Ask for the Holy Spirit's help as you tackle these "Hard Questions".submission to the Holy Spiritsee my point? .. your submitting to some ones will ... not gods .. but the people who want you to think like this so they can controll you .. the church ...
how do you think that the chuch as an organisation made all there fancie churches? .. with gold and all that expensive crap .. ? ... did god give it to them? ... no you did and all the other people that follow the religon .. they paied for it out of there pocket ... the church earns millions off of people ... they are power/money crazed maniacs ..and unfortunatly good people like you get caught up in it all ...

4. DISCUSS THESE TOUGH QUESTIONS WITH CHRISTIAN FRIENDS

If you belong to a Christian group discuss some of these questions together.i discuss this stuff with every one .. there doesn't have to just be one opinion about things .. people should be alowed to have there own opinion .. wether it be a christian one or not

WHAT'S THE CONCLUSION?

Christians have a duty to answer (to the best of their ability) any genuine questions about their faith.

"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect." 1 Peter 3:15i like that quote it's not intrusive and sais what i said in the line above. alltho i dont understand the "But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord." bit but i guess thats just a christian thing ... fair enuff you have your own belifes and you should respect otheres .. but what i have found many a time is that very religous people will argue there point till blue in the face even without reason .. there have even been WARS because of this ... i am not holding the normal religos person to blame for this .. just the leaders of these religons ... the fact that peop0le are folowing people like this in it's self is just sooo wrong!

A QUOTE TO CHEW OVER

"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth." John 16:13

.....more to follow

- Hard Questions about christianity made easy (Hendrickson)thats the misconseption that alot of religos people have .. that they know the truth ... there are a million and one religeons that belive in certain things all disregarding other religeons .. how can they all be right? .. or is it just christianity that is right? .. personaly i opt out of all the bull ... i may not know the truth ... but tbh i dont think any one will for along time as we as meer mortals don't have the technology/mind set or what ever to realise that it's things like religeon and power and money in the exsess to what it plays a part in our world today that fuck every thing up

i apreciate the fact that you quit smack and having something else to concentrate on like your religon helped massively .. but i know people that dont belive in god, alla, budda or what ever and still quit smack .. and you know what .. all of them had to find some thing else to take there minds off the smack habbit ... as i have said b4 .. if it works for you then good .. but you need to give yourself credit .. god didn't give up smack .. i never read that part of the bible .. you did ... please for the love of god dont be blind to this:group_hug

[amyberthelet]

Wow....you sure took a lot of time on that one!

Of course I don't think Jesus was a pale white guy!!!!!! :you_crazy

And I am not blind - I WAS when I was saying I was an atheist and trying to do things MY own way......

And I was able to stop using only because I let God work in me......not something I can easily explain - I had to actually go throught it for myself before I could understand.

The church I go to is certainly NOT fancy..no gold or gems there! It's in a strip mall.......I do not agree with the Vatican and all that.

Again, Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and the Life..no one can come to the Father except through Me. I dson't recall Buddha or Krishna or Vishnu or Allah saying that...plus they didn't ride from the dead and get seen by 500 people afterwards.

This book I am using covers many of these types of controversial topics.....just sit tight! :love:

[photographthesun]

This book I am using covers many of these types of controversial topics.....just sit tight! :love:

If you believe these things you shouldn't need a book to help you counter arguments, it only shows you don't fully understand what you believe, which in turn only shows you to be ignorant. And being ignorant and trying to convince people to turn to the lord via the power of your argument is (in my mind) rather foolish. Perhaps you should try this "mass conversion of English ravers for the good of the people" when you understand your own arguments better?

You could even argue that because you don't understand things as well as perhaps you could, you are having a negative impact. People may read the many posts you have put, see that you do not respond to counter arguments and theory's (or if you do its usually with distraction and counter questions), and be turned away from God.

I also wounder if when God spoke about doing good things (i do not believe he did, but i think you do) he meant doing a little more than effectively shouting repetitive statements someone else has taught you to people who generally do not wish to listen (and if they do listen they wish to engage you in debate which you seem unable to respond to).

I just want to be countered! There is no way I can win a theological argument on religion, i am no where near well enough read, i want to be told why I'm wrong and how, because I'm sure someone more experienced could otherwise you religion wouldn't have lasted as long as it has (though i fear its popularity outside the bible belt is rather dwindling).

I'm sorry if i seem rude, i do not mean to, i just wish to understand more and cannot let you state a load of feeling as fact without at least attempting to discuss it.

[amyberthelet]

Fair enough....I can debate just fine, but there are others who I agree 100 % with who are far more knowledgeable on the subject. I am no theologian by any means.....just a survivor of drug addiction who feels called to the UK. I wish I could actually get there in person and help - someday I will - but the funds are just not there. British culture fascinates me - from Medieval times to now.

I will do the best I can, but just know I am NOT a preacher!

[amyberthelet]

www.deliverancebiblechurch.com (http://www.deliverancebiblechurch.com)

www.myspace.com/deliverancebiblechurch (http://www.myspace.com/deliverancebiblechurch)


Yes our pastor has tatts and piercings! :weee:

[Tank Girl]

what I worship on a fairly often basis

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which often leads me to kneeling down before this alter



:laugh_at::laugh_at:




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[Sini]

:laugh_at: Wrongbow and the ceramic goddess [is it ceramic!?]

Cool pastor Amy :love:

[DJCliffy]

This is where i go to pray.

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[marcusblanc]

here's my pastor...


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no tats or piercings tho!

[binge]

Fair enough....I can debate just fine, but there are others who I agree 100 % with who are far more knowledgeable on the subject. I am no theologian by any means.....just a survivor of drug addiction who feels called to the UK. I wish I could actually get there in person and help - someday I will - but the funds are just not there. British culture fascinates me - from Medieval times to now.

I will do the best I can, but just know I am NOT a preacher!

So why come on this site acting like one? If you want to debate then fair enough. From where I'm sitting you're just spouting a load of bollocks that you've read in a book somewhere.

Many people on this site have gone through various forms of drug addiction. There are many ways to pull yourself out. If you ask me religion is one of the easier ones. Try doing it without some almighty being watching over you!

As for telling me that:


"The philosophers of old made reason the sole ruler of man and listened only to her, as the arbiter of conduct. But Christians make reason move aside and give complete submission to the Holy Spirit." John Calvin


Then that's really not helping. Basically what you're saying is that the 'old philosphers' actually thought about things, weighed up the different points of view and then came to a decision based on logic and reason.

But actually what we should be doing is putting all that aside and live our lives according to some book that got written 2000 years ago, which was written by man and essentially used as a tool to control people.

Great. Where do I sign up?

[photographthesun]

Fair enough....I can debate just fine, but there are others who I agree 100 % with who are far more knowledgeable on the subject. I am no theologian by any means.....just a survivor of drug addiction who feels called to the UK. I wish I could actually get there in person and help - someday I will - but the funds are just not there. British culture fascinates me - from Medieval times to now.

I will do the best I can, but just know I am NOT a preacher!

:) this seems like a good moment to end this tit for tat play with syemantics (with that last line of yours we could go on for ever). I wish you the best of luck and what not, but perhaps head to ozz rather than the uk, its far sunnyer (and im told amercians believe we sound the same ;p). oh and congratulations for over-coming your addiction tis a tricky thing to do, whatever method you chose.

[photographthesun]

what I worship on a fairly often basis

which often leads me to kneeling down before this alter



:laugh_at:

[binge]

But it's just getting fun.......

[Tank Girl]

But it's just getting fun.......
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[Sini]

I have a question Amy, i hope this doesn't offend.
How do christians explain dinosaurs? I'm generally interested btw, not taking the piss =]

[Sini]

What a great pastor you have marcusblanc :wink:

[amyberthelet]

oh I'm not giving up! I really believe I am supposed to be on here! And I was just using books because those people are more learned than me...I know what I believe, just can't always put it into words so correctly!

Dinosaurs......they're in there somewhere! In Isaiah ther's mention of Leviathan, being a sea monster who could also fly, like a dragon.....I believe that was a type of dinosaur.

[p0ly]

i seriously suggest you read the book 'The God Delusion' (Richard Dawkins)
it may be difficult for you to read, but truth matters.

Do you take the bible literally?

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

[p0ly]

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian


10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

[p0ly]

Biblical Contradictions

Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

Moral Precepts

24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39

Historical Facts

58. Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19
59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15
61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9
62. Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27
63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8
64. John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21
65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23
66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36
67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6
68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16
69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39
70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
and sandals
Mark 6:8,9
Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
staffs nor sandals.
Matt 10:9,10
74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
Matt 15:22
It was a Greek woman who besought Him
Mark 7:26
75. Two blind men besought Jesus
Matt 20:30
Only one blind man besought Him
Luke 18:35,38
76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
Mark 15:25
Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
John 19:14,15
77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
Luke 23:39,40
78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
John 13:27
Satan entered into him before the supper
Luke 22:3,4,7
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
Matt 27:5
Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
Acts 1:18
80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
Acts 1:18
The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
Matt 27:6,7
81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
John 20:1
There were two women who came to the sepulchre
Matt 28:1
82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:1
There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
Luke 24:10
83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:2
It was some time before sunrise when they came.
John 20:1
84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
they were standing up.
Luke 24:4
There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
Matt 28:2,5
85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
John 20:11,12
There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
Mark 16:5
86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
Acts 1:8,5
Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
John 20:22
88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51
91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
speechless
Acts 9:7
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
Acts 26:14
92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
Gen 12:5
Abraham went not knowing where
Heb 11:8
93. Abraham had two sons
Gal 4:22
Abraham had but one son
Heb 11:17
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
Gen 25:1
Keturah was Abraham's concubine
1 Chron 1:32
95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
interposition of Providence
Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
old without any interposition of providence
Gen 25:1,2
96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
Josh 24:32
Abraham bought it of Hamor
Acts 7:16
97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
forever
Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
1 Chron 20:5
99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
2 Kings 8:25
Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
2 Kings 9:29
100. Michal had no child
2 Sam 6:23
Michal had five children
2 Sam 21:8
101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
2 Sam 24:1
David was tempted by Satan to number the people
1 Chron 21:1
102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of
Judah 500,000
2 Sam 24:9
The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of
Judah 470,000
1 Chron 21:5
103. David sinned in numbering the people
2 Sam 24:10
David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
1 Kings 15:5
104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of
famine.
2 Sam 24:13
It was not seven years, but three years of famine
1 Chron 21:11,12
105. David took seven hundred horsemen
2 Sam 8:4
David took seven thousand horsemen
1 Chron 18:4
106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
2 Sam 24:24
David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of
gold
1 Chron 21:25
107. David's throne was to endure forever.
Ps 89:35-37
David's throne was cast down
Ps 89:44

Speculative Doctrines

108. Christ is equal with God
John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
Christ is not equal with God
John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
109. Jesus was all-powerful
Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
Jesus was not all-powerful
Mark 6:5
110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
Matt 5:17-19
111. Christ's mission was peace
Luke 2:13,14
Christ's mission was not peace
Matt 10:34
112. Christ received not testimony from man
John 5:33,34
Christ did receive testimony from man
John 15:27
113. Christ's witness of himself is true.
John 8:18,14
Christ's witness of himself is not true.
John 5:31
114. Christ laid down his life for his friends
John 15:13/ John 10:11
Christ laid down his life for his enemies
Rom 5:10
115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 19:7
It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 18:31
116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents
Ex 20:5
Children are not punished for the sins of the parents
Ezek 18:20
117. Man is justified by faith alone
Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
Man is not justified by faith alone
James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
118. It is impossible to fall from grace
John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39
It is possible to fall from grace
Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21
119. No man is without sin
1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
Christians are sinless
1 John 3: 9,6,8
120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead
1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16
There is to be no resurrection of the dead
Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14
121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world
Prov 11:31
Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world
Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10
122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind
Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20
Endless misery the portion of all mankind
Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2
123. The Earth is to be destroyed
2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11
The Earth is never to be destroyed
Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4
124. No evil shall happen to the godly
Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13
Evil does happen to the godly
Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7
125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly
Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/
Job 42:12
Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly
Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17
126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing
Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/
Prov 15:6
Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward
Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/
Luke 6:24
127. The Christian yoke is easy
Matt 11:28,29,30
The Christian yoke is not easy
John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8
128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness
Gal 5:22
The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury
Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11
129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked
Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20
Longevity denied to the wicked
Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17
130. Poverty a blessing
Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5
Riches a blessing
Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12
Neither poverty nor riches a blessing
Prov 30:8,9
131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment
Prov 3:13,17
Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow
Eccl 1:17,18
132. A good name is a blessing
Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1
A good name is a curse
Luke 6:26
133. Laughter commended
Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15
Laughter condemned
Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4
134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness
Prov 22:15
There is no remedy for foolishness
Prov 27:22
135. A fool should be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:5
A fool should not be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:4
136. Temptation to be desired
James 1:2
Temptation not to be desired
Matt 6:13
137. Prophecy is sure
2 Pet 1:19
Prophecy is not sure
Jer 18:7-10
138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years
Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10
Man's life is but seventy years
Ps 90:10
139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast
Gen 9:2
The fear of man is not upon the lion
Prov 30:30
140. Miracles a proof of divine mission
Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31
Miracles not a proof of divine mission
Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19
141. Moses was a very meek man
Num 12:3
Moses was a very cruel man
Num 31:15,17
142. Elijah went up to heaven
2 Kings 2:11
None but Christ ever ascended into heaven
John 3:13
143. All scripture is inspired
2 Tim 3:16
Some scripture is not inspired
1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17

[p0ly]

Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you.(George Carlin)



Also watch the 2 George Carlin videos 'Religion Is Bullshit' and 'The Ten Commandments'

[amyberthelet]

Good grief! I would be up all night refuting all that!!!!

George Carlin is in hell right now btw.

The Law set forth in the OT as far as killing people for things like adultery...it is to show us what we DESERVE....Jesus did away with all that when He died on the cross. If you reject what He did for you, then by default you are going to have to face the consequences of your sin, which is DEATH - eternally without hope.

Of course it said slavery in the NT - it was practiced in that time!!!! That does NOT mean that Christianity condones slavery!!!

As far as that huge long list....I will get into that tomorrow.

And YES I AM A FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN!!!! That is NOT the same as a Fundamentalist Islam....when was the last time you saw a Christian preacher with bombs strapped to his body????

[amyberthelet]

I posted some pics in my album btw.

[amyberthelet]

and before anyone says 'oh see, she can't do it, she admits she's wrong'.....I printed up that very long list of supposed contradictions and am researching right now. I am already seeing how some of these are just flimsy excuses; if you take the Scriptures IN CONTEXT you will see what they are ACTUALLY saying.

This will take some time, am on number 5 now and getting sleepy.....

[MisterDuck]

That is NOT the same as a Fundamentalist Islam....when was the last time you saw a Christian preacher with bombs strapped to his body????

My fucking God. As much as I disagreed with you, I was always very much acceptant of your beliefs and indeed appreciated you posted them, if only because we could spark some debate.

But that statement is so fucking stupid, ignorant, pathetic and extremely hypocritical.... I don't even know where to start.

Let us know if you want us to tear you to pieces on that one, I'll be on the front line. And, for the record, I despise all religions equally.

[MisterDuck]

And obviously that is completely OK whereas other religions are wrong and violent, yeah?

[Tank Girl]

.

The Law set forth in the OT as far as killing people for things like adultery...it is to show us what we DESERVE....Jesus did away with all that when He died on the cross. If you reject what He did for you, then by default you are going to have to face the consequences of your sin, which is DEATH - eternally without hope.

Of course it said slavery in the NT - it was practiced in that time!!!! That does NOT mean that Christianity condones slavery!!!

As far as that huge long list....I will get into that tomorrow.

And YES I AM A FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN!!!! That is NOT the same as a Fundamentalist Islam....when was the last time you saw a Christian preacher with bombs strapped to his body????
:head_bang:head_bang:head_bang

[ellie]

Good grief! I would be up all night refuting all that!!!!

George Carlin is in hell right now btw.

The Law set forth in the OT as far as killing people for things like adultery...it is to show us what we DESERVE....Jesus did away with all that when He died on the cross. If you reject what He did for you, then by default you are going to have to face the consequences of your sin, which is DEATH - eternally without hope.

Of course it said slavery in the NT - it was practiced in that time!!!! That does NOT mean that Christianity condones slavery!!!

As far as that huge long list....I will get into that tomorrow.

And YES I AM A FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN!!!! That is NOT the same as a Fundamentalist Islam....when was the last time you saw a Christian preacher with bombs strapped to his body????

If it was a calling from God that sent you on this conversion mission he's pretty rubbish.

I've never felt so athiest!

[DIONYSUS]

yep your shit.

[DIONYSUS]

this is where i go to pray...
http://farisyakob.typepad.com/blog/images/glade_1.jpg

:bounce_flash:

[General Lighting]

when was the last time you saw a Christian preacher with bombs strapped to his body????

its mostly the angry young men, not the preachers what do this (preachers are too smart and cowardly to risk their lives) - and in our country the Christian preachers taught the lads to leave the bomb behind rather than blow themselves up as well, that way they can be ready to build the next one.

we actually had 30 years of war and 3000 dead from religious violence between two Christian sects in the UK, in my living memory, funded in part by Christian Americans, and the conflict is actually still simmering.

[Southcaver]

I'm signing up to ths cult, they sound wickid. plus Then I wont go to hell, thats a bad place for bad people.

[Tank Girl]

Yes our pastor has tatts and piercings!

I'm wondering why you highlight this?

isnt it all just the same stuff but re-branded and re-packaged to try and appeal to a difference audience / sub culture ?

is god and jesus now a trendy accessory?

[ellie]

I'm wondering why you highlight this?



i thought the same.

i think the vast majority of the people on this site are very open minded and are very much aware that sterotypes arent correct.

it doesnt 'shock' me, or change my opinions, that he is a christian with tatoos.

[Tank Girl]

this is where i go to pray...
http://farisyakob.typepad.com/blog/images/glade_1.jpg


:sign0008::horay::horay::horay:

[amyberthelet]

I brought that up because of someone saying that the closest thing you have in the UK is Quakers. For some reason some of you seemed to see me as a preacher in a fancy cathedral! Just wanted to dispel that notion.....and it is the Underground Church - for those who do not feel welcome in mainstream churches.

[amyberthelet]

sorry I phrased it that way.....over here everyone is equating the Fundamental Christians with radical Islam!!!!! I am truly sorry I lumped y'all in with that, pls forgive me. And the violence in Ireland is WRONG - period. Jesus NEVER meant for His followers to kill each other!

That statement was just a retort to that post about stereotypes of Fundamental Christians......sorry I misspoke.:cry:

[Tank Girl]

my mums mates are quakers and I cant imagine they are anything like your church TBH, and I can imagine her not agreeing with all this hell and damnation stuff....
from my experience they are quiet and reflective and acknowledge their beliefs are not the only way, they meet in the 'friends meeting' place - so again not some fancy church or cathederal

Quakers share a way of life rather than a set of

beliefs. Quakers seek to experience God directly, within

ourselves and in our relationships with others and the world

around us. We meet together for silent worship in local

meetings which are open to all.

The Quaker way has its roots in Christianity and finds

inspiration in the Bible and the life and teachings of Jesus.

Quakers also find meaning and value in the teachings of

other faiths; we acknowledge that ours is not the only way.

Our focus is on our experience rather than written

statements of belief. Our sense of community does not

depend on professing identical beliefs, but from worshipping,

sharing and working together.

Our Quaker faith springs from the experience that

each one of us can have a direct relationship with the

Divine.

We find that by meeting together for communal worship we

are empowered to find peace and strength for work in the

world.The Quaker testimonies to peace, equality, simplicity

and truth are a challenge to alleviate suffering and seek

positive social change.

[amyberthelet]

Ok, this is quite a long list, so please be patient with me! :love:




1. God is satisfied with his works this is BEFORE the fall, on day 6
Gen 1:31

God is dissatisfied with his works. this is AFTER the fall, when men were evil
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples He CHOSE to dwell in the Temple at that particular time
2 Chron 7:12,16

God dwells not in temples He dwells in heaven
Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light He IS light
1 Tim 6:16

God dwells in darkness He may cover Himself with darkness, but His light shines
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 through.......He is in dark AND bright

4. God is seen and heard He covers Moses' face and all Moses can see is His back
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Adam saw Him before the fall...was seen
Ex 24:9-11 in the form of man or in a vision..seen by
the Elders of Israel only


God is invisible and cannot be heard speaking to the people who were in rebellion
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16 men cannot see God in His true form as He
really is
5. God is tired and rests He just STOPPED, not because He was tired
Ex 31:17

God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21

God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all He was able to see the tower and
things knew about it, knew about Sodom &
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8 Gomorrah,about what Adam had done, was
going down to deal with them, not to
find out what happened

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3

God tries men to find out what is in their heart so that MEN can see it, God is testing them
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12 to prove they are faithful

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

God is not all powerful not toally clear in this passage....perhaps the men
Judg 1:19 were relying on weapons more than on God?

9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19

God is changeable God was grieved that men had become
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/ so evil, Noah influenced Him to
Ex 33:1,3,17,14 change His mind....the people
repented, fasted and prayed...the
people ignored Him...the people had
changed not God...Moses intervened...
Hezekiah repented

10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

God is unjust and partial saw Noah naked.....God will not put up Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12 with false idols...see Romans 9:14...
John the Baptist was martyred...how is this showing God is changeable?

some of these Scriptures are taken out of context...if you simply read on the answer becomes clear...as in Romans 9:11-14


I will have page 2 (of 15) later......

Hey I am trying! :crazy::crazy_diz:weee:

[amyberthelet]

I can't remember exactly who told me on here....I asked if there were any free to worship as you choose Evangelical churches.....they mentioned the Qualkers.

[amyberthelet]

it was General Lighting....

Quote:
Do they have any Evangelical churches over there - in other words very informal, no rituals, just freestyle worship?????
yes. the Society of Friends, otherwise known as Quakers. They tend to be a bit more subtle in their approach...

[p0ly]

omg did you hear george carlin was in hell from that fucking asshole from westboro baptist church????!!!!!!!!! (FRED PHELPS IS GOING TO HELL)

Fred Phelps and his family are the only ones going to hell. USA christianity uses the most cripling emotion to push their believes onto others, FEAR.

WTF are the chances of you getting the correct religion? even the correct type of christianity!!


if you do not know of the westboro baptist church you will have alot of fun watching their videos on youtube. GOING OUTSIDE DEAD SOLIDERS FUNERALS AND PROTESTING WITH 5 YEAR OLDS WITH BANNERS SAYING 'GOD HATES FAGS' and other horrible things.

watch the westboro baptist church on Jeremy Kyle!! classic!
also Keith Allen owns them aswell!

[Tank Girl]

if you do not know of the westboro baptist church you will have alot of fun watching their videos on youtube. GOING OUTSIDE DEAD SOLIDERS FUNERALS AND PROTESTING WITH 5 YEAR OLDS WITH BANNERS SAYING 'GOD HATES FAGS' and other horrible things.

watch the westboro baptist church on Jeremy Kyle!! classic!
also Keith Allen owns them aswell!
are they the nutters that louis theroix (?sp) spent time with?

if so they need their heads looking at

[globalloon]

my mums mates are quakers and I cant imagine they are anything like your church TBH, and I can imagine her not agreeing with all this hell and damnation stuff....
from my experience they are quiet and reflective and acknowledge their beliefs are not the only way, they meet in the 'friends meeting' place - so again not some fancy church or cathederal



spot on

i used to go to quaker meetings occasionally, although i never became a member

the only belief that a quaker was expected to have was a belief in pacifism

and they always met in a public building that was used for other thigs during the week... ie. they didn't have their own space

so what this mental american as blathering on about just proves that she is totally uninformed about other faith groups and draws on stereotypes to justify herself

the worst kind of religious person that there is IMO

[amyberthelet]

Ach, yes I know the ones u mean....THEY ARE WRONG!!!!!

As for picking the right kind of Christianity....if what you are believing in/doing is NOT BIBLICAL, it is NOT CHRISTIANITY!!!!!

If those people do not repent, yes they ARE going to end up in hell! Not everyone who call on God will be saved.....God sees the HEART!

BTW, just thought of it another way....God will not force Himself on anyone, so if you do not choose Him, when you die you get your wish - eternity without Him. It may sound good now.....wouldn't be so sure when it comes down to it tho.

[Tank Girl]

in other words very informal, no rituals, just freestyle worship?????
yes. the Society of Friends, otherwise known as Quakers. They tend to be a bit more subtle in their approach...

I agree with GL that (from my limited knowledge) of the quakers they are 'very informal, no rituals - freestyle worship',


but I was highlighting the difference I see
(from looking up your church on tinternet)

about what your all about compaired to quakers and it seems mighty different to me
- hell and damnation - and preaching your way as the only way.....

[DaftFader]

Ach, yes I know the ones u mean....THEY ARE WRONG!!!!!

As for picking the right kind of Christianity....if what you are believing in/doing is NOT BIBLICAL, it is NOT CHRISTIANITY!!!!!

If those people do not repent, yes they ARE going to end up in hell! Not everyone who call on God will be saved.....God sees the HEART!

BTW, just thought of it another way....God will not force Himself on anyone, so if you do not choose Him, when you die you get your wish - eternity without Him. It may sound good now.....wouldn't be so sure when it comes down to it tho.
that sounds like it's just tring to scare people into beliving something imo

[amyberthelet]

by 'freestyle worship' I meant charismatic....you are free to worship however you choose, be it silent or loud!

[Tank Girl]

Ach, yes I know the ones u mean....THEY ARE WRONG!!!!!


it must be great to have all the answers.




I'm bored now :yawn:

[amyberthelet]

well would you say that what those people did was RIGHT????? I'm talking about the Westboro Baptist, nit the Quakers!!!!!!

[General Lighting]

here in England we already have trendy churches with rock music etc and even the Established Church (church of England) has tried to be a bit more right on...

there are youth missions for teenagers and you do get vicars what try to be more "down with the youth", and who have come from more "urban" backgrounds. In particular we have street pastors who advise youths who have got themselves into trouble / overdone drink/drugs etc but they don't do a lot of overt preaching or quote the Bible at them.

it is a totally different culture in this nation. Those who wish to attend religious groups are free to do so (whether they are Christian religions or those of the Eastern nations) or people are free to lead a secular life.

If people wish to preach or set up any sort of church/temple/mosque they must do so in accordance with wider societies rules (in public it is covered by council laws or what you call zoning laws). The laws are equal for all denomination.

Fundamentalist preaching in this country will either be ignored or investigated by the law enforcement authorities if there is the slightest suspicion that those involved are linked with any form or harrasment or violence.

People like those westboro baptists wouldn't last 5 minutes here, the cops would drag them away to the cells (maybe for their own safety as the locals wouldn't stand for it either).

[General Lighting]

and they always met in a public building that was used for other thigs during the week... ie. they didn't have their own space


our local Friends do have a hall (they must have bought it using the proceeds of agriculture a few hundred years ago) but they share the building with all manner of community groups, including secular radical campaign groups comprising anarchists and environmentalists!

[Tank Girl]

well would you say that what those people did was RIGHT????? I'm talking about the Westboro Baptist, nit the Quakers!!!!!!
if anyone thinks what these people claim to believe in is right they are on the wrong forum / planet IMHO :you_crazy:hopeless::yakk:

The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is a church headed

by fred phelps and based in Kansas USA The organization is

monitored by the anti defamation league and is classified as

a hate group

The church runs numerous websites such as

GodHatesFags.com, GodHatesAmerica.com and others

expression of comdemnation of homosexuality roman

catholics, muslims and jews , as well as populations it

believes are supporting the aforementioned groups, including

chinese, swedes, canadians, irish, british , mexicans and

americans.

Although well-known in LGBT communities for pickerting gay

pride events and funerals, the group achieved national

notoriety for picketing funeral processions for soldiers killed

in action during the iraq war

The church bases its work around the belief expressed by

its best known slogan and the address of its primary

website, "God hates fags," and expresses the idea that

every tragedy in the world is linked to homosexuality

specifically society's increasing tolerance and acceptance of

the "homosexual adgenda " The group maintains that God

hates homosexuals above all other kinds of "sinners" and

that homosexuality should be a capital crime
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment)

[Tank Girl]

well would you say that what those people did was RIGHT????? I'm talking about the Westboro Baptist, nit the Quakers!!!!!!
Ah, I thought you were talking about the quakers - my bad



ours also own the meeting place, and is also used by our local peace council and CND for meetings, and also wicked jumble sales :wink:

[p0ly]

Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)

8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)

9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)

A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.

[p0ly]

MORE CONTRADICTIONS FOR YOU TO WASTE YOUR TIME WITH





Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34

... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
- Matthew 26:52


For wrath killeth the foolish man...
- Job 5:2

... let not the sun go down on your wrath.
- Ephesians 4:26


And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which
is in heaven.
- John 3:13

... and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
- 2 Kings 2:11


If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
- John 5:31

I am one that bear witness of myself...
- John 8:18
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]


A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children...
- Proverbs 13:22

Sell that ye have and give alms...
- Luke 12:33


Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches
shall be in his house...
- Psalms 112:1-3

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than
for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
- Matthew 19:24


I and my father are one.
- John 10:30

... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
- John 14:28
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]


Thou shalt not kill
- Exodus 20:13

Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his
side... and slay every man his brother...
- Exodus 32:27


Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
- Exodus 20:8

The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot
away with: it is iniquity.
- Isaiah 3:22


Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
of anything that is in heaven... earth... [or] water.
- Leviticus 26:11

And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt
thou make them.
- Exodus 25:18


For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works.
- Ephesians 2:8-9

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by
faith only.
- James 2:24


God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man,
that he should repent.
- Numbers 23:19

And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his
people.
- Exodus 32:14


... the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall
hear his voice, and come forth...
- John 5:28-29

As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth
down to the grave shall come up no more.
- Job 7:9


... thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth,
hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for
wound, stripe for stripe.
- Exodus 21:23-25

... resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right
cheek, turn to him the other also.
- Matthew 5:39


Honor thy father and mother.
- Exodus 20:12

If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and
wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
life also, he cannot be my disciple.
- Luke 14:26


Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth...
- Matthew 6:19

In the house of the righteous is much treasure...
- Proverbs 15:6


I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
- Genesis 32:30

No man hath seen God at any time.
- John 1:18


The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.
- Ezekiel 18:20

... I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of
the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
generation.
- Exodus 20:5


Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth
understanding.
- Proverbs 3:13

For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth
knowledge increaseth sorrow.
- Ecclesiastes 1:18


The Lord is good to all.
- Psalm 145:6

I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.
- Isaiah 45:7


Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
- Matthew 5:22

[Jesus said] Ye fools and blind.
- Matthew 23:17


For all have sinned.
- Romans 3:23

There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect
and upright.
- Job 1:1


Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
- 2 Kings 8:26

Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
- 2 Chronicles 22:2


If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath... he shall do
according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
- Numbers 30:2

But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by
earth.
- Matthew 5:34-35


... the earth abideth forever.
- Ecclesiastes 1:4

... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and
the works that are therein shall be burned up.
- 2 Peter 3:10


... for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger
forever.
- Jeremiah 3:12

Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever.
- Jeremiah 17:4


... God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
- James 1:13

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt
Abraham.
- Genesis 22:1


And God saw everything that he made, and behold it was very good.
- Genesis 1:31

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it
grieved him at his heart
- Genesis 6:6


For now have I chosen and sanctified this house that my name be
there forever; and mine eyes and my heart shall be there
perpetually.
- II Chronicles 7:16

Howbeit the most high dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
- Acts 7:48


[God dwells] in the light which no man can approach unto.
- I Timothy 6:16

The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

- I Kings 8:12


And the Lord called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid.
- Genesis 3:9,10

Ye hath neither heard his voice, at any time, nor seen his shape.
- John 5:37


Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the
elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel... They saw
God, and did eat and drink.
- Exodus 24: 9-11

Whom no man hath seen nor can see.
- I Timothy 6:16


With God all things are possible.
- Matthew 29:26

And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of
the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the
valley, because they had chariots of iron.
- Judges 1:19


God is not the author of confusion.
- I Corinthians 24:33

Out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good?
- Lamentations 3:38


Those that seek me early shall find me.
- Proverbs 8:17

Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall
seek me early, but shall not find me.
- Proverbs 1:28


On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of
atonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall
afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the
Lord.
- Leviticus 23:27

For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day
that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt
offering or sacrifices.
- Jeremiah 7:22


And the priest shall burn all on the altar to be a burnt
sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the
Lord.
- Leviticus 1:9

Your burnt offering are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet
unto me.
- Jeremiah 7:20


God is not a man, that he should lie
- Numbers 23:19

And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the
Lord have deceived that prophet.
- Ezekiel 24:9


There is none other God but one.
- I Corinthians 8:4

And God said, Let us make man in our image.
- Genesis 1:26


When ye go, ye shall not go empty; but every woman shall borrow
of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels
of silver and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them
on your sons and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the
Egyptians.
- Exodus 3:21,22

Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, nether rob him.
- Leviticus 19:13


At the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of
man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.
- Genesis 4:5,6

And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should
kill him.
- Genesis 4:15


Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not,
neither do they spin... if God so clothe the grass of the
field... shall he not much more clothe you? Therefore, take no
thought, saying what shall we eat? or what shall we drink? or
wherewithal shall we be clothed?... Take, therefore, no thought
for the morrow.
- Matthew 6:28, 30-34

But if any provideth not for his own, especially for those of his
own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an
infidel.
- I Timothy 5:8


Be ye angry and sin not.
- Ephesians 4:26

Be not hasty in they spirit to be angry; for anger resideth in
the bosom of fools.
- Ecclesiastes 7:9


Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good
works.
- Matthew 5:16

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of
them.
- Matthew 6:1


And Solomon stood before the alter of the Lord, in the presence
of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands
toward heaven...
- I Kings 7:22

When thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for
they love to pray standing in the synagogues, and in the corners
of the streets, that they may be seen of men...
- Matthew 6:5


And no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a
Nazarite unto God from the womb.
- Judges 8:5

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man hath long
hair, it is a shame unto him?
- I Corinthians 6:14


Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
- Exodus 20:8

One man esteemeth one day above another; another esteemeth every
day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
- Romans 14:5


For in the six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and
all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the
Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
- Exodus 20:11

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and
that the Lord thy God brought the out thence through a mighty
hand and by a stretched-out arm; therefore the Lord thy God
commanded the to keep the Sabbath day.
- Deuteronomy 5:15


There is nothing unclean of itself.
- Romans 14:14

Nevertheless, these shall ye not eat, of them that chew the cud or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel and the hare, and the coney; for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof, therefore they are unclean unto you. And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.
- Deuteronomy 14:7,8


Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother.
- Deuteronomy 27:22

And Abraham said... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
- Genesis 20:11,12


If brethren dwell together, and one of them die and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife.
- Deuteronomy 25:5

If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing... they shall be childless.
- Leviticus 20:21


He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness.
- Mark 3:29

And by him that believe are justified from all things.
- Acts 13:39


[John the Baptist] is Elias which was for to come.
- Matthew 11:14

And they asked him, what then? Art thou [John the Baptist] Elias? And he saith, I am not.
- John 1:21


Now, after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.
- Mark 1:14

After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea... and John was also baptizing Enon... for John was not yet cast into prison.
- John 3:22-24


And it was in the third hour, and they crucified him.
- Mark 25:3-4

And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, behold your king... Shall I crucify your king?
- John 19:14-15


They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall.
- Matthew 27:34

And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh.
- Mark 15:23
[Jesus was the thirsty chap in both verses.]


And the men which journeyed with [Paul] stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
- Acts 9:7

And they that were with me [Paul] saw indeed the light and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
- Acts 22:9


Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free woman.
- Galatians 4:22

By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only begotten son.
- Hebrews 11:17


Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death.
- II Samuel 6:23

The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.
- II Samuel 21:8


And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel.
- II Samuel 24:1

And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
- I Chronicles 21:1


All power is given unto [Jesus] in heaven and in earth.
- Matthew 28:18

And [Jesus] could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands on a few sick folk and healed them.
- Mark 6:5


There shall no evil happen to the just.
- Proverbs 12:21

Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
- Hebrews 12:6

[Tank Girl]

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

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just tried this for more fags and beer and its not worked, is there a time limit or summat? :wink:

[DaftFader]

just tried this for more fags and beer and its not worked, is there a time limit or summat? :wink:
thats cos they are the devils drugs:yakk:

[p0ly]

you really do have to be stupid to not believe all the evidence that proves its not real.

the funny thing is, any atheist or agnostic would convert to religion ANYDAY if the evidence was obvious, like no god..... and evolution....


relgious people LIKE TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH QUOTES TO BELIEVE which is fucking stupid....

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

(Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)




gods a really nice guy, i mean flooding the WHOLE EARTH??? KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN?????? WHAT A CUNT!

[amyberthelet]

shame on u...... :cry:

I rteally don't feel refuting the so-called 'contradictions' is a waste of time - but can u please stop throwing all this stuff at me????? I am working on it!!!!!!

Of course God won't provide you with ciggs and alc! :laugh_at:

And those quotes are from the OT - when Israel was under THE LAW - Jesus hadn't come yet - circumstances were DIFFERENT...you HAVE to take this in CONTEXT!

Pls - if you wish to debate, I sign onto Yahoo IM every day - it's in my profile. I really don't want to get booted off here for this neverending post!

[Tank Girl]

Of course God won't provide you with ciggs and alc! :laugh_at:



why not the bastard? :wink:

what can I get then? :laugh_at:

[amyberthelet]

ok either IM me on Yahoo or maybe the chat room on here......

[p0ly]

wow your delusion is strong! i hope there is an afterlife so you will be laughed at for believing such shit!! pick and choose pick and choose, c'mon the book is fucking disgraceful and i hope you see the real 'LIGHT'

christians dont like the stuff i post cos it conflicts with there delusions, so you block it out and try to rationalize the stuff in the most ridiculous ways.

fear is a horrible weapon to use against people to make them believe shit.
religion is no longer needed in this world as morality and law comes naturally to the majority of people.

bad people do bad things..... religion makes good people do bad things

eg the man who got the death penalty for killing a guy who worked at an abortion clinic and his bodyguard, and the christian thinks hes going straight to heaven?? what a delusional asshole, they're fucking embryos!

[MisterDuck]

It may sound good now.....wouldn't be so sure when it comes down to it tho.

I think I'll take my chances on that one, thanks.

"Pls - if you wish to debate, I sign onto Yahoo IM every day - it's in my profile. I really don't want to get booted off here for this neverending post!"

You are not going to be banned from this forum - we believe in free speech, which is more than certain religious figures do!

[amyberthelet]

wow polygon....no the Bible is NOT disgraceful! Pick n choose? Those 'contradictions' are what is all random/picked apart! And while I do believe that abortion is murder, I DO NOT agree that harming those at abortion clinics is right!!!! Have you ever heard of a 'silent siege'????? It's where u go and simply stand outside a clinic with the wod LIFE taped over your mouth....you just silently pray and in no way attempt to influence anyone...THAT is what my church does.

boothy - i suggest chat bc this threads getting a bit long......

[globalloon]

It's where u go and simply stand outside a clinic with the wod LIFE taped over your mouth

that is sick. you are sick. you are a sick and twisted person who needs psychiatric help.

that reminds me of cases where irish christians have prevented underage girls with down syndrome who have got pregnant through rape from travelling out of ireland (where abortion is illegal) to anywhere else in europe to get an abortion.. then when the baby has been born the church has abandoned them

i have no problem with anyone holding their own personal beliefs ... but all organised religion makes me giddy and sick with the utter stupidity of it.

you say that believe in an omnipotent being that consciously created the entire universe and everything in it. then you arrogantly state that your tiny, monkey brain can even begin to contemplate what such a being had in mind?

PUH-LEASE!

get out. you are a nonsense. get some education and sort yourself out.

[globalloon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY-ZrwFwLQg

[General Lighting]

wow polygon....no the Bible is NOT disgraceful! Pick n choose? Those 'contradictions' are what is all random/picked apart! And while I do believe that abortion is murder, I DO NOT agree that harming those at abortion clinics is right!!!! Have you ever heard of a 'silent siege'????? It's where u go and simply stand outside a clinic with the wod LIFE taped over your mouth....you just silently pray and in no way attempt to influence anyone...THAT is what my church does..

In England, this would be known as religiously aggravated harrasment.

First the clinic staff would ask you to move on. Then a bobby or two will arrive. if the cops decide to let you carry on your protest (and it is at their discretion) you will be moved a fair bit further away from the clinic.

if you refuse to move, they will arrest you. Our "friendly bobby" with no pistol or carbine can very quickly be substituted with a more "robust" unit of officers in public order (riot) gear, and in extreme circumstances a specialist armed unit (although this is thankfully very rare)

in our country people do not have this "right" to protest in such a way that they harrass others, whatever the campaign (religion, environment, animal rights etc..)

[DIONYSUS]

that is sick. you are sick. you are a sick and twisted person who needs psychiatric help.

that reminds me of cases where irish christians have prevented underage girls with down syndrome who have got pregnant through rape from travelling out of ireland (where abortion is illegal) to anywhere else in europe to get an abortion.. then when the baby has been born the church has abandoned them

i have no problem with anyone holding their own personal beliefs ... but all organised religion makes me giddy and sick with the utter stupidity of it.

you say that believe in an omnipotent being that consciously created the entire universe and everything in it. then you arrogantly state that your tiny, monkey brain can even begin to contemplate what such a being had in mind?

PUH-LEASE!

get out. you are a nonsense. get some education and sort yourself out.

+1000,000 :crazy:

[DIONYSUS]

Have you ever heard of a 'silent siege'????? It's where u go and simply stand outside a clinic with the wod LIFE taped over your mouth....you just silently pray and in no way attempt to influence anyone...THAT is what my church does..

you in no-way try to influence anyone, then why do you go there with life taped over your gob? of course your trying to influence people you idiot. IMO you should be banned from this forum for your endless preaching, spamming and total bullshit. go somewhere else we dont need saving or educating by you. i prefered garry denke ffs :you_crazy:

[Sini]

you in no-way try to influence anyone, then why do you go there with life taped over your gob? of course your trying to influence people you idiot. IMO you should be banned from this forum for your endless preaching, spamming and total bullshit. go somewhere else we dont need saving or educating by you. i prefered garry denke ffs :you_crazy:

Where did garry denke go, not seen him for a while.

[DIONYSUS]

Where did garry denke go, not seen him for a while.

i think he's changed into a religious mentalist.

[amyberthelet]

WOW - I guess I must be doing something right to be hated this much!!!! Praise God I am being persecuted for His sake!!!! :love:

HOW is simply STANDING outside a clinic HARRASSMENT???? In fact these groups have to sign WAIVERS stating that they are not to do ANYTHING that would be constituted as such!!!!!! It is all perfectly legal and PEACEFUL - how can you even begin to liken it to someone forcibly detaining someone from an abortion????? If you look up 'silent sieges' you will see - NOTHING is forced!!!!

I can't believe how hateful you are being!

I know you SAY you don't need saving...OK fine. I am not giving up - I am entitled to be on here and express my opinion. Iasnt's there a rule that says slander is not allowed???? Believe or not as you choose, but do you have to call me names????:hopeless: