If you went to hell..

[O-D]

If you went to Hell wouldn't Satan think you're totally awesome, and want you to be part of his posse?

He'd take you golfing, sniff lines off sexy whores and play pranks on God like mooning him.. maybe pull Jesus' pants down around his ankles and run away giggling like little girls, while he'd turn the other cheek.. so to speak.

[Angel]

When you die you go nowhere, it's just black.

No fires or shining lights :crazy_diz

[ellie]

If you went to Hell wouldn't Satan think you're totally awesome, and want you to be part of his posse?

He'd take you golfing, sniff lines off sexy whores and play pranks on God like mooning him.. maybe pull Jesus' pants down around his ankles and run away giggling like little girls, while he'd turn the other cheek.. so to speak.

This is what i dont get...surely only god hates you. Satan wants you to be happy whilst helping him with his master plan.

[Shwigg]

When you die you go nowhere, it's just black.

No fires or shining lights :crazy_diz

Who Knows Who Goes :wtf_beard

[DIONYSUS]

When you die you go nowhere, it's just black.

No fires or shining lights :crazy_diz

not too sure about that.. i reckon loads of crazy shit happens when you die, fuck knows what tho.

[Shwigg]

not too sure about that.. i reckon loads of crazy shit happens when you die, fuck knows what tho.

Just as i said :wink:

[Angel]

not too sure about that

You don't have to be sure or agree with me..

Is a personal experience for me and I didn't see any of them :wink:

[Shwigg]

:laugh_at:You don't have to be sure or agree with me..:group_hug

Is a personal experience for me and I didn't see any of them :wink:

[DJCliffy]

When you die you go nowhere, it's just black.

No fires or shining lights :crazy_diz

If that were true then people shouldn't worry about dying innit!

My own personal view on this is quite different, purely on what i've experienced from my ghosthunting days. Now i don't fear death, just the manner in which i go! :wink:

[Angel]

:laugh_at:

Why's that funny?

[DIONYSUS]

i belive we have a soul or energy or something which lives on after we die. dont belive in heaven or hell or any of that shit, just think that we continue some how. I mean people can seperate there mind from their body through drugs or meditation so why shouldnt that happen when they die?

[O-D]

i belive we have a soul or energy or something which lives on after we die. dont belive in heaven or hell or any of that shit, just think that we continue some how. I mean people can seperate there mind from their body through drugs or meditation so why shouldnt that happen when they die?

That would be a belief in some kind of supernatural form.
People have the experience OF being seperated from their body or better known as an "outer body experience" but that's still just a state of mind, no matter how real it may feel.
Like when you have a nightmare and you're still scared when you wake up.

[DIONYSUS]

That would be a belief in some kind of supernatural form.
People have the experience OF being seperated from their body or better known as an "outer body experience" but that's still just a state of mind, no matter how real it may feel.
Like when you have a nightmare and you're still scared when you wake up.

and you know that for sure do you?

[O-D]

and you know that for sure do you?

Absolutely, you believe different, someone believes something else and the world goes round and round! raaa

However, we're getting sidetracked.
The question wasn't if you believe in Hell, but whether you would be tortured for ever and ever and ever until Peter Pan swoops down and lobs fairy dust at you or if (and this is a logical thought in an illogical setting) you get treated like one of the boys because you've done what the Devil has supposedly always tried to get you to do on good ole Earth.

The only person who has caught onto the subject at hand is Ellie! Woo, go Ellie!

[DIONYSUS]

Absolutely, you believe different, someone believes something else and the world goes round and round! raaa

However, we're getting sidetracked.
The question wasn't if you believe in Hell, but whether you would be tortured for ever and ever and ever until Peter Pan swoops down and lobs fairy dust at you or if (and this is a logical thought in an illogical setting) you get treated like one of the boys because you've done what the Devil has supposedly always tried to get you to do on good ole Earth.

The only person who has caught onto the subject at hand is Ellie! Woo, go Ellie!

fuck knows mate think its a bit of a pointless question tbh as i dont belive in hell.

[O-D]

fuck knows mate think its a bit of a pointless question tbh as i dont belive in hell.

Neither do I, I like to see religious people squirm and repeat the same tired old mantras.. but that's not the reason I ask, I ask because when there's an original answer it makes the whole topic more interesting

[breezy f. baby]

satan isn't a joke like that.
satan is decieving...he doesnt care about u or nun...he just wants u to think hell be there and give u a good time...like drugs for instance...
drugs give u a temporary high...like satan...and then everything comes crashing down on u...
if u die and go 2 hell...theres no coming back...u have ur choice to go to heaven or hell now. people say u get to heaven thru good deeds this and that...bogus as hell...its cleary states in the bible that u must ask god to come into ur heart and u shall be saved. u have to truly believe in ur heart that jesus christ is ur savior and that hes real.
and about hell...people say...well ill be with my friends...
u wont see ur friends because ull be in total darkness...all u hear is screaming...and ull be burning for eternity...eternity is forever
and all the while ull be begging, wishing for ONE DROP of water on ur tongue. and u wont get shit.
satan is a liar.

[breezy f. baby]

and squirm r u kidding? it aint even like that. thats just a christians duty...to spread the gospel uk.
and maybe the reason u dont believe in heaven or hell is because u dont know shit about god...because u never gave it a chance...
or because uk its easier to say u dont believe so u can do wat u want

im saved and im a christian and i wana party and do w/e the fuck i want. but thats normal...were human...we all have temptations and we all wanna do wrong.
and u know how i know god is real...because hes in my soul...wen i do wrong he convicts me

idk i aint sitting here tryin to persuade u to believe in something u dont...but i am answerin ur questions n lettin u know a different aspect.

ya diggg

[O-D]

Ok fine..

Say Hell exists, and the bible is correct about all the bad things that'll happen to you down there..

People have endured far less then what "Hell" is meant to bring down onto you and go completely insane, when you're at that stage you don't know who you are, where you are and what is happening around you.
You're effectively a vegetable, and thus the person who you are now won't give a shit.

So fuck it.

And so help the next person who comes out with some crap like: The Devil will keep you sane so you'll have no choice but to endure it forever.

The whole basis of religion was to subdue the population and/or to try and rationalise all the atrocities around us and to understand the universe.
It's far easier to say "Some dude made it".

I HATE religion with a vengeance, all the needless deaths in wars for as long as religion has been around where each side say they're supported by some mythical figure up high in the clouds.

Jerusalem is a prime, infact one of the best, examples of countless wars for something so absurd.
With a wave of the wrinkley "holier than thou hand" of the Pope, thousands upon thousands baa'd their way to a city in the Middle East to kill and die for "God".

[DJCliffy]

I sold my soul for a bag of wooden nickels and a rubber chicken.

[O-D]

I sold my soul for a bag of wooden nickels and a rubber chicken.

I tried to do the same, but apparently I'm renting it.

[amyberthelet]

Hey, I hear ya 'breezy' raaa I am trying....... :wink:

But I DO have a sense of humor too! I am NOT some prissy old lady waving a wrinkly old finger warning everyone they are doomed to hell. Hey, I believe in heaven and hell, but I will not be able to describe what is on the other side until I go there! Personally, I think hell is different for everyone - not only are you without any hope bc you are forever sep. from God, but you also have to deal with crushing guilt and whatever is torture to YOU. For instance, lots of spiders and forever feeling like I had to puke but couldn't......THATS HELL! :hopeless:

And you hit the nail on the head O-D......what you described IS religion! That is NOT what I'm into at ALL! The Pope is a MAN. We are NOT supposed to kill each other for God! Those are man's concoctions......

[ellie]

sorry to go slightly off the subject O-D, especially after my 'woo, go Ellie' (which i liked very much thank you :bounce_fl)

...

i think its really unfair for me to have to go to hell. God himself can surely see that the bible is full of contradictions and could really do with an update. He hasnt shown me anything to convince me otherwise whatsoever! :hopeless:

I think one of my defining athiest moments was walking into a church and reading the ten commandments. it just seemed like an exteremely convenient 'lets control the masses' list.

[Sini]

I think if a heaven does exist maybe it's just us living out our good memories over and over again.
Too far fetched?

[amyberthelet]

The Law is there to show us that we CAN'T get it right, and we need a Savior. And what are the contradictions you speak of????

[O-D]

The Law is there to show us that we CAN'T get it right, and we need a Savior. And what are the contradictions you speak of????

Like how Jesus' life is a plagarisation of religions that predate Christianity?

Or how, similarly, words in the bible to describe the "Son of God" have been used many times in religions that, again predate Christianity, have been used to describe someone such as Jesus within their reglious context? Words such as "God's Annointed Son", "The Good Shepherd", "The Lamb of God" and others.
A good example would be "Horus the Sun God" of the Egyptians of around 3000BC.

Here's a few more from different religions in different periods that were before Christianity existed:

Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected.

Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected.

Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the "King of Kings," "God's Only Begotten Son," "The Alpha and Omega," and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected.

Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as "The Truth," "The Light," and many others.



...any thoughts?

[ellie]

The Law is there to show us that we CAN'T get it right, and we need a Savior. And what are the contradictions you speak of????

when i say contradictions i guess i mean more that the bible is so open to interpretation. Ive read articles, esp about homophobia, which uses different passages to both accept and denounce homosexuality.

Many christians shun the OT's shocking views and concentrate on the new testament...but the OT is there in the bible...surely you cant pick and choose.

I dont get your point about "The Law is there to show us that we CAN'T get it right". What is that in response to?

[amyberthelet]

first off, anyone who tries to make it look as though the Bible ENDORSES homosexuality is just plain WRONG!!!!!!! :crazy:

Yes the OT is part of the Bible...you can't pick and choose....the NT does NOT REPLACE the OT, it FULFILLS it. The Law=OT....its purpose is to show that we NEED A SAVIOR.

[amyberthelet]

as far as those pagan examples go.....did any of those die for humanity to bring us closer to God???? Where is the evidence - eyewitness accounts - of people who saw the risen 'gods'?

[DJCliffy]

Paganism rules!

[DIONYSUS]

im sorry, but do you have eyewitness accounts of jesus rising from the cave, or better pictures? or do you just have a load of shit thats written in a book thousands of years ago, just cause someone said something happened and wrote it in a book doesnt mean it actually happened. did you never study history at school? the winners wright the history books. Just cause in the crusades they went round and chopped every fuckers head off that didnt belive in our version of religion does not make it any more or less real than what everyone else belives. people that belive anything wholeheartdly without questioning are in my mind idiots. whether its athiest's rufusing to belive there may be some kind of higher force or religious people that wont accept that there may be another reason that all that religiious stuff has been made up. people that dont question things before they sign up to them are probably gonna get ripped off.:crazy_dru

[O-D]

Where is the evidence - eyewitness accounts - of people who saw the risen 'gods'?

Dude: "Uh.. yeah, I saw this guy, like.. RISE from the grave man, it was like, heavy. He's called Jesus, man, and he's like our SAVIOUR dude. Check it out, I wrote a book.."

[ellie]

first off, anyone who tries to make it look as though the Bible ENDORSES homosexuality is just plain WRONG!!!!!!! :crazy:



Here is another one of my problems...even if there is a god, it doesnt mean he is a nice guy. If what you say is true, even if he did exist - i probably wouldnt worship him!

[Sini]

I like Paganism :love:

I agree with Ellie, he could be a right knob [sorry, sorry]

[photographthesun]

satan isn't a joke like that.
satan is decieving...he doesnt care about u or nun...he just wants u to think hell be there and give u a good time...like drugs for instance...
drugs give u a temporary high...like satan...and then everything comes crashing down on u...
if u die and go 2 hell...theres no coming back...u have ur choice to go to heaven or hell now. people say u get to heaven thru good deeds this and that...bogus as hell...its cleary states in the bible that u must ask god to come into ur heart and u shall be saved. u have to truly believe in ur heart that jesus christ is ur savior and that hes real.
and about hell...people say...well ill be with my friends...
u wont see ur friends because ull be in total darkness...all u hear is screaming...and ull be burning for eternity...eternity is forever
and all the while ull be begging, wishing for ONE DROP of water on ur tongue. and u wont get shit.
satan is a liar.

"and all the while ull be begging, wishing for ONE DROP of water on ur tongue. and u wont get shit" - and pray, where did you hear this little gem of fact?

[DJCliffy]

jesus rising from the cave,

Wow just like Bin Laden!

[DJCliffy]

I like Paganism :love:



Do ya, What do you like about it? My favourite thing about Paganism is the orgies. :crazy_dru

[starlaugh]

Gonna agree with Angel on this... Blackness is all that is there!

[DJCliffy]

Gonna agree with Angel on this... Blackness is all that is there!

Might not be though. Only one way to find out though. Ask JESUS!!!

[O-D]

Might not be though. Only one way to find out though. Ask JESUS!!!

I would, but he never answers back.. his answering phone must be constantly full.

[photographthesun]

im sorry, but do you have eyewitness accounts of jesus rising from the cave, or better pictures? or do you just have a load of shit thats written in a book thousands of years ago, just cause someone said something happened and wrote it in a book doesnt mean it actually happened. did you never study history at school? the winners wright the history books. Just cause in the crusades they went round and chopped every fuckers head off that didnt belive in our version of religion does not make it any more or less real than what everyone else belives. people that belive anything wholeheartdly without questioning are in my mind idiots. whether its athiest's rufusing to belive there may be some kind of higher force or religious people that wont accept that there may be another reason that all that religiious stuff has been made up. people that dont question things before they sign up to them are probably gonna get ripped off.:crazy_dru

I second this *nods* its a bit hypercritical to demand someone prove that your religion does not exist when you urself cannot prove that it does. In fact its along the same lines as the:

*** Invisible Pink Unicorn ***

"Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them." - Steve Eley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Eley)

It is common when discussing the Invisible Pink Unicorn to point out that because she is invisible, no one can prove (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability) that she does not exist (or indeed that she is not pink). This is a parody of similar theistic claims about God—that God, as creator of the universe, is not subject to its laws and thus not materially detecting him tells us nothing about his existence or lack thereof. (It has likewise been said that trying to find God is like using a metal detector to search for unicorns in one's sock drawer.) The Invisible Pink Unicorn is an illustration which attempts to demonstrate the absurdity of citing attributes and a lack of evidence as proof of a deity's existence.

[source: Invisible Pink Unicorn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn) (and my own brain, rair i know)]

[rach]

if u die and go 2 hell...theres no coming back...u have ur choice to go to heaven or hell now. people say u get to heaven thru good deeds this and that...bogus as hell...its cleary states in the bible that u must ask god to come into ur heart and u shall be saved. u have to truly believe in ur heart that jesus christ is ur savior and that hes real.
and about hell...people say...well ill be with my friends...
u wont see ur friends because ull be in total darkness...all u hear is screaming...and ull be burning for eternity...eternity is forever
and all the while ull be begging, wishing for ONE DROP of water on ur tongue. and u wont get shit.

using fear to make people believe in something is disgusting.

spiritualtiy and faith has brought amazing things to my life. but organised religion is often full of greed, lust for power and contradictions - using peoples fear of the 'unknown' to gain control is disgraceful