There is NO God

[DIONYSUS]

says the big red bendy bus...

Bendy-buses with the slogan "There's probably no God" could soon be running on the streets of London.

The atheist posters are the idea of the British Humanist Association (BHA) and have been supported by prominent atheist Professor Richard Dawkins.

BBC NEWS | England | London | 'No God' slogans for city's buses (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm)

massive waste of money?

[coastie]

says the big red bendy bus...

Bendy-buses with the slogan "There's probably no God" could soon be running on the streets of London.

The atheist posters are the idea of the British Humanist Association (BHA) and have been supported by prominent atheist Professor Richard Dawkins.

BBC NEWS | England | London | 'No God' slogans for city's buses (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm)

massive waste of money?

No i dont think its a waste of money, its private money and they believe they are spending it on a very noble cause. I just think its an interesting thing to have on the side of a bus too. Its thought provoking and interesting.

[Southcaver]

The complete slogan reads: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

I'd buy a t-shirt with that on, Good idea if you ask me.
If religions can advertise why not atheists?

[photographthesun]

problem with that slogan is ur more likely to worry knowing the reality of the world rather than believeing it was all created for a nice reason by a chap on a cloud.

[d.r.e.a.m]

The complete slogan reads: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

I'd buy a t-shirt with that on, Good idea if you ask me.
If religions can advertise why not atheists?

I reackon I'd buy 1 of those t-shirts 2...

[DIONYSUS]

i still think its a massive waste of money that could have been given to a charity rather than using it to try and antagonise all the other religions. Its not a coincidence that they are advertising it round christmas. The whole problem with religion is each different religion constantly trying to convince the other its right. Why cant people just let each other get on with things so long as they dont cause any harm. Also it shouldnt take an advert on a bus to tell us what to think ffs.

[rach]

"Bendy-buses, like atheism, are a danger to the public at large: - Stephen Green of pressure group Christian Voice

haha genius

[General Lighting]

well at least the money also goes towards a useful transport service for Londoners. A lot of other religious groups (particularly the more well heeled Christians) would have bought a entire bus and kitted it out with mobile preaching kit, or set up a "youth service bus" or similar whilst trying to hide the conservative religious message behind all sorts of happy clappy stuff.

That said, I actually agree with the god squad dude about bendy buses. They are no substitute for the good old Routemaster..

[starlaugh]

Urm well I think this is a good idea, I am not a fan of religion at all... I have some pretty religious family members (of the happy clappy bible bashing variety) and they seem to believe that everyone should share their beliefs, they did get very offended when they found out I don't believe in god (this was only a year ago that they discovered this!) :weee:

[marcusblanc]

well at least the money also goes towards a useful transport service for Londoners. A lot of other religious groups (particularly the more well heeled Christians) would have bought a entire bus and kitted it out with mobile preaching kit, or set up a "youth service bus" or similar whilst trying to hide the conservative religious message behind all sorts of happy clappy stuff.

That said, I actually agree with the god squad dude about bendy buses. They are no substitute for the good old Routemaster..


routemasters are the best. :love: Apparently Boris is havin a competition to design a new one... bendy buses arnt right for london!

[DJCliffy]

God does exist. I heard in a song once that he is a DJ so it must be true.

[MisterDuck]

God does exist. I heard in a song once that he is a DJ so it must be true.

true, he's past it though. they say oakenfold was his son, and they've been clinging onto the "scene" for the past few thousand years.

he's got a proper sick set-up though, but these days i reckon he just sticks gatecrasher mix cd's in there and mimes it all

[Sini]

Are these buses now making the rounds in London then?
Any backlash of angry religious groups yet?

[DJCliffy]

true, he's past it though. they say oakenfold was his son, and they've been clinging onto the "scene" for the past few thousand years.

he's got a proper sick set-up though, but these days i reckon he just sticks gatecrasher mix cd's in there and mimes it all
:laugh_at:

[p0ly]

i still think its a massive waste of money that could have been given to a charity rather than using it to try and antagonise all the other religions. Its not a coincidence that they are advertising it round christmas. The whole problem with religion is each different religion constantly trying to convince the other its right. Why cant people just let each other get on with things so long as they dont cause any harm. Also it shouldnt take an advert on a bus to tell us what to think ffs.

even though most probaly instead of the god probaly doesnt exist, it'd be SAW 6 !!!!!

GET IT ON THE BUSES!!!!!

[binge]

i still think its a massive waste of money that could have been given to a charity rather than using it to try and antagonise all the other religions. Its not a coincidence that they are advertising it round christmas. The whole problem with religion is each different religion constantly trying to convince the other its right. Why cant people just let each other get on with things so long as they dont cause any harm. Also it shouldnt take an advert on a bus to tell us what to think ffs.

I completely disagree. The point was that there is a massive poster campaign all over London from some christian group or other saying 'if god did exist what your you ask'. Fair enough you say- but then this poster had a link to a website saying that if you don't believe in god you're all going to hell.

So that pissed a few people off, and they decided to set up a donation pot to see if they could get people to donate £5 to raise £5,500 for a counter campaign. Three weeks later they had £100,000.

I think they hit a nerve.

I donated- why don't you:

Justgiving - Atheist Bus Campaign (http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus)

Oh- and the T-Shirts are here:

Blue Apple Music Online Store: ATHEIST BUS CAMPAIGN (http://www.blueapplemusic.co.uk/atheistbus.html)

[DIONYSUS]

oh fair play, i didnt realise the story behind it, i thought it was just some group out looking for an argument. Still think its a bit of a waste of time tho. as you know from that amy bird off here theres no-way your gonna change anyones mind simply from an advert ona bus.

[Tank Girl]

oh fair play, i didnt realise the story behind it, i thought it was just some group out looking for an argument. Still think its a bit of a waste of time tho. as you know from that amy bird off here theres no-way your gonna change anyones mind simply from an advert ona bus.
but its good to also have a counter view expressed - rather than continually seeing god shit spllattered about IMO

[p0ly]

Message boards (http://boards.msn.com/UKNewsboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=920764)

[p0ly]

oh fair play, i didnt realise the story behind it, i thought it was just some group out looking for an argument. Still think its a bit of a waste of time tho. as you know from that amy bird off here theres no-way your gonna change anyones mind simply from an advert ona bus.

'advert from a national campaign aimed at persuading more people to "come out" as atheists.'

come out not convert

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

aimed at persuading more people to "come out" as atheists.'
i allways knew i was an athist snice i can rember. at first i was confused and didn't reallise why i was feeling this way. at age 14 i had my first athist kiss and told my dad .. he was very upset and disowned me and sent me off to live with other relatives. to my amazement (and i didn't know there were other athists like me - i thought i was just i'll or something) the uncal i was sent to live with was also an athist. he took me to all kinds of athist clubs and bars were for the first time in my life i felt as if i could be me with no one judging. now i wear womans clothes and call my self mandy on the weekends. "coming out" was the best thing that ever happened to me :love:

[DJCliffy]

i allways knew i was an athist snice i can rember. at first i was confused and didn't reallise why i was feeling this way. at age 14 i had my first athist kiss and told my dad .. he was very upset and disowned me and sent me off to live with other relatives. to my amazement (and i didn't know there were other athists like me - i thought i was just i'll or something) the uncal i was sent to live with was also an athist. he took me to all kinds of athist clubs and bars were for the first time in my life i felt as if i could be me with no one judging. now i wear womans clothes and call my self mandy on the weekends. "coming out" was the best thing that ever happened to me :love:

And you call me a nut job. :you_crazy :wink:

[p0ly]

according to wikipedia 50% of british peeps say they're christian.
though only 30% believe in god/spirits :weee:.

cultural christians

[DJCliffy]

though only 30% believe in god/spirits :weee:.



I believe in spirits, reason being the past experiences I've had lead me to believe in the existence of such entities. :wink:

[p0ly]

I believe in spirits, reason being the past experiences I've had lead me to believe in the existence of such entities. :wink:
where these sober experiences?

[DJCliffy]

where these sober experiences?

Yep. I used to be a paranormal investigator a few years back. :wink:

[pixiegirl]

If there is then he's a fucking comedian that's for sure.

[p0ly]

Yep. I used to be a paranormal investigator a few years back. :wink:

enlighten me on your spiritual findings

[p0ly]

YouTube - Dan Le Sac vs. Scroobius Pip - Letter from God (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnGNOiFll4)

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

enlighten me on your spiritual findings
he used to get stoned in this abandoned house down his road .. (he likes to "big it up" tho) :laugh_at:

[p0ly]

he used to get stoned in this abandoned house down his road .. (he likes to "big it up" tho) :laugh_at:

ahahahahahahhahaa

[p0ly]

he used to get stoned in this abandoned house down his road .. (he likes to "big it up" tho) :laugh_at:

ahahahahahahhahaa

[DJCliffy]

he used to get stoned in this abandoned house down his road .. (he likes to "big it up" tho) :laugh_at:

The cheek of it.

[Iacchus]

massive waste of money?

They can waste all the money they want for all I care. My only problem with it is that it's massively hypocritical. Dawkins criticises the recruiting techniques of religions and then goes and does the same thing himself!

I'm not sure why he's on such a mission. What should he care if people have religion? Fair enough making a best selling book as a scientific study but this seems to be more about 'converting' people to atheism.

[p0ly]

They can waste all the money they want for all I care. My only problem with it is that it's massively hypocritical. Dawkins criticises the recruiting techniques of religions and then goes and does the same thing himself!

I'm not sure why he's on such a mission. What should he care if people have religion? Fair enough making a best selling book as a scientific study but this seems to be more about 'converting' people to atheism.

well dawkins says time after time, he cares about the truth......

[DIONYSUS]

They can waste all the money they want for all I care. My only problem with it is that it's massively hypocritical. Dawkins criticises the recruiting techniques of religions and then goes and does the same thing himself!

thats the point i was trying to make...

[Iacchus]

well dawkins says time after time, he cares about the truth......

Well attacking organised religion is a noble persuit I think because organised religions dissuade people from thinking for themselves.. but trying to argue the existence or non-existence of an abstract 'God' concept from a scientific point of view is pointless as you can never tell either way. A scientist should only be concerned with the truth of what we can measure, and not concern themselves with spiritual matters.

I really dont like organised religion but I really dont like hardcore atheist scientists either because they try to pretend there is no cosmic mystery, that existence is incidental and meaningless. No amount of science explains why anything exists but people pretend that because we have a mathematical model of particle interactions we can stop thinking about the nature of being and get on with our lives.

Science can be just as closed minded as religion. Anyone who really cares about the truth should approach all religions, sciences, and philosophies with an open mind.

[p0ly]

Well attacking organised religion is a noble persuit I think because organised religions dissuade people from thinking for themselves.. but trying to argue the existence or non-existence of an abstract 'God' concept from a scientific point of view is pointless as you can never tell either way. A scientist should only be concerned with the truth of what we can measure, and not concern themselves with spiritual matters.

I really dont like organised religion but I really dont like hardcore atheist scientists either because they try to pretend there is no cosmic mystery, that existence is incidental and meaningless. No amount of science explains why anything exists but people pretend that because we have a mathematical model of particle interactions we can stop thinking about the nature of being and get on with our lives.

Science can be just as closed minded as religion. Anyone who really cares about the truth should approach all religions, sciences, and philosophies with an open mind.

have you read 'the god delusion'?

[Iacchus]

have you read 'the god delusion'?

Yep I have. I agree with him about creationism being bollocks etc but he didnt provide any valid evidence or arguments against the concept of a divine intelligence or a 'plan' for the universe, other than some general patronisation and 'hey look at this famous person he's an athiest' arguments.

Discrediting organised religions, their bigoted texts, and their comical misinterpretations of metaphors is easily done, and the big religions have shot themselves in the foot by denying theories like evolution. But that shouldnt stop us questioning why anything exists.

[p0ly]

Yep I have. I agree with him about creationism being bollocks etc but he didnt provide any valid evidence or arguments against the concept of a divine intelligence or a 'plan' for the universe, other than some general patronisation and 'hey look at this famous person he's an athiest' arguments.

Discrediting organised religions, their bigoted texts, and their comical misinterpretations of metaphors is easily done, and the big religions have shot themselves in the foot by denying theories like evolution. But that shouldnt stop us questioning why anything exists.

it shouldnt stop us but it doesnt get you anywhere...

[Iacchus]

it shouldnt stop us but it doesnt get you anywhere...

well if you're not interested in the meaning of life then fair enough. and if you want to decide that universes coming and going is the natural order of things and that intelligent life is not significant and just a temporary reversel of entropy, then thats also fair enough

but why try to change other peoples minds about it? hence my point, dawkins is just as bad as christians on the street with megaphones. people should keep their religions to themselves, and atheism is no exception.

[DIONYSUS]

it shouldnt stop us but it doesnt get you anywhere...

its interesting tho

[p0ly]

its interesting tho

yeah i love to ponder these things alot, too much to be honest.
it just gets more and more confusing, i decided to buy some books on philosophy yestarday

[Iacchus]

yeah i love to ponder these things alot, too much to be honest.
it just gets more and more confusing, i decided to buy some books on philosophy yestarday

tell me about it.. id like to go one day without zoning out, staring into the distance getting stuck in some crazy philosophical mind loop :P

[p0ly]

tell me about it.. id like to go one day without zoning out, staring into the distance getting stuck in some crazy philosophical mind loop :P

yeah man ahahahahahha

[DJCliffy]

Doesn't this Dawkin's fellow make biscuits and cakes?

[p0ly]

i dont know where my head has been today, there is a god!!!


GARRY DENKE!!! raaaraaa

[O-D]

I believe in a few things:

There's fairys at the bottom of my garden, I can't see them but I have faith they're there.
I have faith that the invisible pink unicorn is in my cupboard.
I have faith that there's a teapot orbiting our planet, there's different sects of this belief that argue about the teapots dynasty.

[DaftFader]

I believe in a few things:

There's fairys at the bottom of my garden, I can't see them but I have faith they're there.
I have faith that the invisible pink unicorn is in my cupboard.
I have faith that there's a teapot orbiting our planet, there's different sects of this belief that argue about the teapots dynasty.
ming dynisty it's fact!

[O-D]

ming dynisty it's fact!

You ming-er!

[deliriyummy]

old post and all but i have to say that i think Dawkins' reason for being so vocal is because he sees that religion causes alot of harm.

[p0ly]

the god delusion did help alot of americans manage to come out and admit to being atheist, he is doing a good thing.

[deliriyummy]

true true.... how funny that you have to 'come out' about not believing idiotic ancient stories. what a world.

[p0ly]

yeah u get disowned in strict places, what an absolute joke!! they really take on the teachings well dont they

[joshd96320]

fuckinn idiots

[Iacchus]

i still think its a massive waste of money that could have been given to a charity rather than using it to try and antagonise all the other religions. Its not a coincidence that they are advertising it round christmas. The whole problem with religion is each different religion constantly trying to convince the other its right. Why cant people just let each other get on with things so long as they dont cause any harm. Also it shouldnt take an advert on a bus to tell us what to think ffs.


Agreed... athiests shouldnt give a shit what other people believe in. It's all about antagonising christians. Dawkins is on a personal vendetta because he obviously has some issue.

dont get me wrong i have a lot of problems with christianity and all religions, but everyone should keep their beliefs to themselves unless asked.

atheism is slowly turning into the most preachy of all the religions

[joshd96320]

atheism isnt a religion... its a lack of belief.....

so the only similarity between one atheist and another is the lack of belief, so your gunna get lots of people including radicals who preach like *shudder* evangelists

[Iacchus]

atheism isnt a religion... its a lack of belief.....

so the only similarity between one atheist and another is the lack of belief, so your gunna get lots of people including radicals who preach like *shudder* evangelists

it SHOULD be just a lack of belief, but unfortunately for a lot of atheists it is not. It is a rejection of a belief, and the desire to make other people also reject that belief.

Atheists come in many shapes and sizes.

Some dont give a crap about anything outside of what they experience on earth, these are the the 'not-believers', and they couldnt give a toss what anyone else believes. I do not consider these people religious as they have not made a decision about the role of a deity in the creation of man

Others used to believe or have thought about it lots or been preached at too much and have decided hard that it's all definately untrue, there is definately no god. These are the 'believe-not-ers'. They tend to want to convert the world to atheism and get all offended whenever they see anything religious. These people have definately made a decision about the role of a deity in the creation of man so I would consider that to be a religious standpoint, as they can be more fanatical and evangelical about their opinions than christians etc.

And of course there is lots of other types inbetween. But saying atheism is merely a lack of belief isnt really true for a lot of atheists

[Iacchus]

ps not taking sides here, I'm just against anyone trying to change the religious standpoint of anyone else

[p0ly]

Dawkins is on a personal vendetta because he obviously has some issue.

he wrote a best selling book of 2007 (i think it was 07) personally i thought it was an incredibly clever scientific book of why God is certainly not real (God in the religion sense).

i don't think he has an issue, he wrote an excellent book which obviously alot of people wanted to read.

[amyberthelet]

I think THIS is where the discussion from 'Weed Tea' belongs now!

[p0ly]

nah weed tea rules

[amyberthelet]

lol v funny - just meant the GOD part!

[joshd96320]

god told me he wanted it to stay in the weed tea thread - i have just seen the light.

he also tells me hes da ganja king - but he urges you remember your manners and show respeks

EXCUSE ME WHILE I LITE MI SPLIFF
good g*d, i gotta take a lift,
from reality i just cant drift (Though you seem to be able to amy... all this religious belief n whatnot)...
thats why i am staying with this riff!

perhaps i milk it too far

perhaps i dont

ill let the milkman decide that


or Lord Denke.

BOW DOWN DENKE BOW DOWN DENKE

[DaftFader]

god told me he wanted it to stay in the weed tea thread - i have just seen the light.

he also tells me hes da ganja king - but he urges you remember your manners and show respeks

EXCUSE ME WHILE I LITE MI SPLIFF
good g*d, i gotta take a lift,
from reality i just cant drift (Though you seem to be able to amy... all this religious belief n whatnot)...
thats why i am staying with this riff!

perhaps i milk it too far

perhaps i dont

ill let the milkman decide that


or Lord Denke.

BOW DOWN DENKE BOW DOWN DENKE
^^ see what religeon does to the fragile mind of a 16 year old :laugh_at: DAM YOU CHURCH OF DENKE!!!

[joshd96320]

ive been impressioned

i should press charges

but i love our dear lord denke

bow to tha heelstoneee

[amyberthelet]

While my experience may seem subjective, it was proof to ME. Maybe one day you will experience something and break down and call out to God, bc no matter what you do, you just cannot stop the cycle of sin (whatever one you happen to be in) - you can tell yourself over & over I know I need to stop, but you keep doing it anyway. I cannot SCIENTIFICALLY prove God exists! I can talk/type till I'm numb in the fingers and it will not make a bit of diff. I CHOOSE to believe in God, you reject Him.

[joshd96320]

cannot stop the cycle of sin? lol
perhaps i do not perceive it to be sin by your definition. either way i would prefer endure, and suffer to that extent, than to the level where i am driven to believe in imaginary friends again. i move forwards not backwards (as you may know i am not a conservative..)

then again perhaps i would have the will power and courage to stop something bad instead of.. doing it anyway

you cannot scientifically prove 'he' exists... because it is difficult to prove the absence of something when the description of that entity is so vague even its creators and believers stutter and become tongue tied when challenged on the origin of their idea.

its like trying to prove you didnt steal a slice of rare cheese from the rare cheese shop at the end of the garden - there is no way of proving you didnt do it - but if you had of done it - there may be cheese all over you, or your farts may be smelyl..

[amyberthelet]

I call it sin, you call it whatever - still the same thing.

And I guess we shall find out for sure someday !!!!!

I fully admit I did NOT have the strength/willpower to stop on my own! In my situation at that time, the ONLY way was to go to Reconciliation Outreach. The WAY it all happened was (to me anyway) miraculous.

Point is - I no longer smoke drugs! :love:

[DaftFader]

Maybe one day you will experience something and break down and call out to God, bc no matter what you do, you just cannot stop the cycle of sin (whatever one you happen to be in) - you can tell yourself over & over I know I need to stop, but you keep doing it anyway.
i know loads of people who have strived to make and sucseeded to make there lives and other peoples better and don't belive in god in the slightest .. you sure your not trying to lay the blame with some one/thing else? ... "it wasn't my fault i was too week to give up for all them years it was cos i didn't have god in my life that i was on this satan's drrug?" .. i not meaning to put words in your mouth .. i just reading between the lines

[DaftFader]

can i ask you a question ... did u in a gutter some where ... suddenly go "oh shit .. it's god .. and he helping me get off crack? .. or did another human intraduce you to "to word of god"?

[amyberthelet]

I was raised Catholic, went to church til I was in my 20s (but only bc I HAD to while I lived w my grandparents). I never TRULY was born again. Then I turned to Objectivism. None of that helped me when I was handed a crack pipe. I was laying in a nasty abandoned bldg when the Holy Spirit showed me what was up. I never had heard of R.O. or anything, could not get to anyplace else.....at R.O. they just helped me get back on my feet.

I do not doubt there's ppl who don't accept God and still get off drugs. But that's what it took for me.

[joshd96320]

While my experience may seem subjective, it was proof to ME. Maybe one day you will experience something and break down and call out to God, bc no matter what you do, you just cannot stop the cycle of sin (whatever one you happen to be in) - you can tell yourself over & over I know I need to stop, but you keep doing it anyway. I cannot SCIENTIFICALLY prove God exists! I can talk/type till I'm numb in the fingers and it will not make a bit of diff. I CHOOSE to believe in God, you reject Him.

now we are in the religion thread:

now: personally, lets for a moment PRETEND a god by christian definition existed. well my first impressions? WHAT A FUCKING CUNT. what kind of monstrous being punishes those to burning forever just coz the dont believe in him. what a freak. was he bullied by others as a child? i remember one of my PE teachers (do you have compulsory physical education in america?..) was a right old mardy cunt. it later emerged he was bullied a child and this is often the case for many. (though probably the majority grow up normally). Now if god created everything... why does he destroy it again... wasted effort! and who could be so heartless as to send a unfortunately deceased child to hell because they had committed sin - what kind of shit regime is that. At least in the christian story the devil is gunna fuck em all up equally with no exception. now by no means am i a satanist coz thats just another part of the fairy tale story it all is!

the point im getting at is hes a bit of a filthy fucker isnt he.

right back to reality & to the belief he doesnt exist. assume religion is wiped out. not there.
nada.

no crusades. less wars. drastically reduced number of terrorists and extremists. no completely unnecessary deaths etcetera. less corruption. so on and so forth.

i realise my points are messy but its getting a bit late and im not really putting all my points across how i would like.

But i ask you to put forth some points supporting the existence of a god and explain some reasons and give example of why christian morals are a good set to adopt. This does not include the good will of people - for that is a result of compassion of an individual - in no way affiliated with a religious organisation unless for some reason done 'in the name of'.

[DaftFader]

i'm not doubting that you personaly beliving in something more powerfull than you .. in your case god .. helped u .. and i not knocking it for that .. just i think alot of the time people use this as an excuse to deny there true worth .. it realy disempowers us as humans to say we can't do things with out god ... and the truth is ... we can do alot more with out .. as there arn't silly boundarys put in to controll people ...

[amyberthelet]

Believe me, I TRIED 'doing it on my own' - didn't work. My desire for the next hit was much stronger.

And God is a RIGHTEOUS JUDGE. Would you want someone convicted of murder getting off bc 'the judge was bein a nice guy'??? The point is to fear God and repent of sin by accepting what Jesus did on the cross!