Ketamine and Spirituality ?

[mrschingchong]

I've never really got involved with ketamine, or any drugs tbh, but i have alot of friends who have.
Lots of my male friends and ex bf's have all been very much envolved in the drug ketamine, i cant help but realise how spiritual most of them are, they all have a warm nature energy and touch, very nice to be around:weee:
I'm making this thread to find out if there is anyone else out there who can find a link betweek ketamine and spirituality ? or maybe you have done ketamine before and it has made you feel very spiritual ?

i dont really approve of drug taking but i must admitt K Heads make excellant lovers:love:

I appreciate n e comments you guys want to leave thnxxxx

[ellie]

friends ive seen on ket just look like zombies, either spaced out or petrified looking. not seen it regularly though to be fair. They dont seem particularly spiritual when sober either!

[DJCliffy]

Ketamines an evil drug. :crazy_diz

Welcome to the site as well ;)

[mrschingchong]

Ketamines an evil drug. :crazy_diz

Welcome to the site as well ;)

thanksss

yeah wen people are on k they dont look very nice, especialy at parties wen they are trying to dance, my friends who do k dont do it at raves etc they always do it inside there home, i think alot of my mates use the k for spiritual purposes, they say the ''k hole'' is like a form of meditating, all there muscles relax and after it they feel full of ''spiritual energy''.
i dont know, i guess theres two lots of people who do ketamin - those who do it at parties to get wasted, and those who do it to get this meditave ''k hole'' that they keep going on about.
theres defintly something special and different about my mates who do ketamin compared to the ones that dont, i cant quite put my finger on it..
cant any of you relate to what i'm trying to say lol!??

[DJCliffy]

thanksss

yeah wen people are on k they dont look very nice, especialy at parties wen they are trying to dance, my friends who do k dont do it at raves etc they always do it inside there home, i think alot of my mates use the k for spiritual purposes, they say the ''k hole'' is like a form of meditating, all there muscles relax and after it they feel full of ''spiritual energy''.
i dont know, i guess theres two lots of people who do ketamin - those who do it at parties to get wasted, and those who do it to get this meditave ''k hole'' that they keep going on about.
theres defintly something special and different about my mates who do ketamin compared to the ones that dont, i cant quite put my finger on it..
cant any of you relate to what i'm trying to say lol!??

Oh yeah i get what you're saying, I used to do K quite a bit and used to love the trips it would send me on. now though i don't like it. done some last weekend and was very ill! Not the one! :crazy_dru

[JamZandwich]

thanksss

yeah wen people are on k they dont look very nice, especialy at parties wen they are trying to dance, my friends who do k dont do it at raves etc they always do it inside there home, i think alot of my mates use the k for spiritual purposes, they say the ''k hole'' is like a form of meditating, all there muscles relax and after it they feel full of ''spiritual energy''.
i dont know, i guess theres two lots of people who do ketamin - those who do it at parties to get wasted, and those who do it to get this meditave ''k hole'' that they keep going on about.
theres defintly something special and different about my mates who do ketamin compared to the ones that dont, i cant quite put my finger on it..
cant any of you relate to what i'm trying to say lol!??

Yes, you are absoloutly correct in saying there are two types of k heads.
I was hooked on K for 4 years, i did the whole 'getting wasted at parties and stumbling about not knowing who you are or where you are', i found that side of ketamine to be rubbish, i got mugged once when i was too wasted at a techno rave in kent, after that i never did it at parties much. So the other side of ketamine replaced and was much, much, much better, but also more addictive. Theres definantly something spiritual about ketamine if you want there to be, ive thought i have talked to god, flown through the 'astral plane' or the 'cosmos' the 'extra dimensions of the universe', and its not all some drugged induced hallucination, check some videos out on youtube of people who have had these Out Of Body Experiences, very similar to 'the k hole' that most k head go on about.
YouTube - OBEs: The Benefits of Astral Travel - C2C 1/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uzzwmi7Ej0) if your intrested in this type of stuff, watch these when you have the time, and remember these are experiences that people have had, nothing to do with drugs at all.
it all adds up to something big.
i always looked at ketamine as food for my soul, me and my mates got very spiritual for a couple of years, in the end it started doing so much damage to my memory and my kidneys/bladder that it just wasnt worth it anymore.

Lifes fucked up man.

[CozMik]

theres defintly something special and different about my mates who do ketamin compared to the ones that dont, i cant quite put my finger on it..
cant any of you relate to what i'm trying to say lol!??
i think i kinda no what your getting at.

i must say ketamine does give me a certain warmth:love:

[DJCliffy]

i think i kinda no what your getting at.

i must say ketamine does give me a certain warmth:love:

K always leaves me feeling cold! :wink:

[CozMik]

K always leaves me feeling cold! :wink:

Really ? fuck ! ive never heard that one before.. kets a weird one allright!

[JamZandwich]

theres lots of theores about energy and spirituality and all that, do we have a soul? do we fly off to heavan when we die? do we all exist as individual energies in one big universe? k certainly makes these things Seem real, and when you hear people who dont do drugs talk about them aswell it really makes you think about it.
ketamines definantly a two sided drug, if you feel your k head friends have some special about them that your other friends dont, then its mostly because theyve experienced these 'other dimensions', 'meditating' on k, or 'k holing' can be spiritual IF YOU WANT IT TO BE, and when u retern your bodies energy is rebooted. Its that Tingly sensation that you can get all over your body when reterning from a really beutiful k hole.
hard to explain hopefully other peeps can understand what am saying:crazy_diz

[DJCliffy]

Really ? fuck ! ive never heard that one before.. kets a weird one allright!

Yeah man it is strange, also it leaves me feeling like i have plastic skin. i may well just be a freak but there you go lol!! :laugh_at:

[funkydan]

yes quite alot if you meditate on it but i find thats the same with all hallucinogenic drugs as it makes it easier to focus on a single point, although i find if you dont look at it in a possitive way it can mess with your head so i think its either way spiritual and fucking evil

[spangle]

I kinda know what you mean, there are times you k-hole and its pretty spiritual and very relaxing like meditating, or with a group of people and you all get on the same level which can be pretty cool. But if you over-do it, which seems pretty inevitable with most people who enjoy k, it just turns people into greedy selfish zombies who can't think and are very ill a lot of time!

Also i must admitt K Heads make excellant lovers:love: I'm not too sure, I prefer a bit of movement in the bed :weee:

[JamZandwich]

YouTube - OBEs: The Benefits of Astral Travel - C2C 1/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uzzwmi7Ej0) watch if you wanna find out the benefits of astral travelling/'k holing'. it'll give you a good idea of what your ketamine friends are bennifiting from. very intresting stuff indeed mainly because these are middle aged non drug users talking about the same thing, k doesnt make you astral project but it can be a very usefull tool to help you do it, as it shuts down your physical body and what your left with is basicly the same shit that happens when you die if that makes sense to you.

People spend years or even sometimes there whole lives medditating to get to that place, ketamine is almost a cheat way of doing it, one of the reasons its still very much fround upon in the religous/spiritual parts of India.

to answer your Q i say your k head friends have these ''unique qualities'' because they are doing this astral projection/meditating on a regular basis, its jus the same as a buddhist who meditates everyday, the buddhist is bound to get benefits from meditating or he wouldn't spend so much time doing it would he.

that is only one side of ketamine of course there are the shittier sides of abusing it and unfortunately these are the sides most people see.


"yes quite alot if you meditate on it but i find thats the same with all hallucinogenic drugs as it makes it easier to focus on a single point"

excellant point

[mrschingchong]

Wow thanx for all the input so far guys, ketamine seems to be a love hate thing you either love it or dispise (sp?) it, most of my mates definantly prefer it to most other drugs. Cocaine is the drug that we all dispise, turns people into aggressive selfish over-confident b*stards, but then thats just the way i see it.
So if ya could change one thing about ketamine what would it be?
I would want to stop idiots from taking it at parties cos its obviously spreading a very bad image, and i reeeally dont think ketamins that bad..
thanxx for all replies x

[globalloon]

your theory sounds like a big load of bunkum

[Digital-A]

a k hole is a k hole ... spiritual my f**king arse.

[mrschingchong]

your theory sounds like a big load of bunkum

Who's theory?

[Digital-A]

i dont really approve of drug taking but i must admitt K Heads make excellant lovers:love:




was that a joke or do you actually like the dead kind?

think theres a word for that ...

guess at least they dont answer back much.

[Digital-A]

was that a joke or do you actually like the dead kind?

think theres a word for that ...

guess at least they dont answer back much.

sorry ... just read, spangle had already made a joke ... i retract that last comment ...

[mrschingchong]

i'm not reffering to making love whilst on k that would be pretty silly.
:you_crazy

[JamZandwich]

a k hole is a k hole ... spiritual my f**king arse.

i get what ya sayin
but what im sayin is it can be spiritual only IF YOU WANT IT TO BE.
if you knew a bit about meditating you would recognize the possible link:wink:

[JamZandwich]

i'm not reffering to making love whilst on k that would be pretty silly.
:you_crazy

quite fun actualy

[CozMik]

ive read quite alot on the net about ketamine and there does seem to be several articles relating it to spirituality, it really comes down to what your definition of spirituality is tbh.

this site isnt the best one for discussing this as there is quite a bias view on k, frowned upon amongst most on here i would say, as it is a 'party' site, and let face it k aint a party drug, u should have posted somethin Erowid for a more open minded outlook on it.

Ketamine and near death experience (http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/nde/_ketamine.html)

Does Ketamine Produce NDEs (http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/ket04.htm)

couple of examps there

[Digital-A]

if you knew a bit about meditating you would recognize the possible link:wink:

you think i dont without even asking ...

sorry to let you down, but i do,

and still ... i see no link.

[JamZandwich]

bollocks

[coastie]

Yeah I agree it can be quite spiritual, like you say above, so can most hallucinogenic drugs. People have been using them for 1000's of years in various parts of the world for this reason. The above talk of overdoing K or it being a bad thing at parties is a different issue, but yeah I totally agree with that, (though I do like doing a few little bumps)

[Digital-A]

bollocks

what is?

[CozMik]

" The Quantum Mind

Some people believe that ketamine is a mental modem which can potentially connect the mind to 'everything else', allowing a peek behind the curtain at the inner workings of this and other realities. In the old Newtonian universe, the mechanical view declared that all possible forms of energy and fields had already been discovered; that the ordinary, everyday perception of space, time and matter and energy was the only scientifically correct reality; that all people were separate from each other and the rest of the universe; and that consciousness could not exist without a living brain. "


a little something from bluelight

[coastie]

"
a little something from bluelight

Whats bluelight? sounds interesting.

[quietRIOT]

a k hole is a k hole ... spiritual my f**king arse.


TOTALLY AGREE..IF YOUR GONNA DO KET STAY @ HOME ....I NEVER HEAR NO GOOD COMING FROM IT. SOUNDS LIKE GLOOMY SHIT TO ME:crazy_dru

[DJCliffy]

I had a bit of a weird one on ketamine once. This is ages ago mind, me and my mate were fucking off our heads on K, we done our stuff and decided to cook some more. When the timer went and the K was ready my mate opened the oven door and without gloves grabbed the bowl and put it on the kitchen counter. As soon as he grabbed the bowl with his right hand, i felt as though i had done it myself. i got fucking burned and i was no where near it. My hand even went red and looked like it had been burned. 3 of my mates can vouch for this as well, proper spangled me out! :weee:

[mrschingchong]

was that a joke or do you actually like the dead kind?

think theres a word for that ...

guess at least they dont answer back much.


you Dont know it mate. aint gotta clu enit.

[Digital-A]

you Dont know it mate. aint gotta clu enit.


pardon?

[CozMik]

Filthy

[sirstonealot]

Whats bluelight? sounds interesting.

try google for bluelight .ru

It's a good site but there is a lot of haters there.

[CozMik]

try google for bluelight .ru

It's a good site but there is a lot of haters there.

Theres alot of haters on ere too there everwhere ketamins a much hated drug
if u aint done k in ages and then you do a line you'll feel shit and you'll wonder why the fuck you even took it but when you get in the depths of a K addiction (doing it evry day) it becomes the ultimate escape it is very addictive almost in the same way as heroin you come home from work or whatever and then have a massive line you go to k land, it is spiritual if you want it to be it can be a type of meditation/ relaxation whatever, i still believe k heads are pretty harmless people they dont go out and rob start fights smash shit up like drunks and coke heads so anyone saying it should be class A can sniff my ass and let us fly.

[JulesDogg]

Ketamine is about as spiritual as taking a dump, which of course can be a very spiritual experience given the right attitude.

[Digital-A]

anyone saying it should be class A can sniff my ass and let us fly.

im not saying it should be class A because it doesnt make you go out and kick people in ... but look at a K addict ... on appearance they may not be as violent as a coke 'ed on a mission but they are ill ... look at the physical and mental problems following abuse THAT is why i am saying it should be a class A ...

people should not gauge drugs on how they make you on a friday night.

[DJCliffy]

Ketamine is about as spiritual as taking a dump, which of course can be a very spiritual experience given the right attitude.

:weee: :laugh_at:

[CozMik]

Arse!

[fishpaste]

wait - im confused. i thought k holes were supposed to be a bad thing? thats what all my khead mates have told me. never been trapped in one you see. someone explain what its like to me....
how long do they last? not nosy just curious.raaa

[Digital-A]

how long do they last?

... i'm still in mine

[Digital-A]

... about 15 mins :)

[DIONYSUS]

wait - im confused. i thought k holes were supposed to be a bad thing? thats what all my khead mates have told me. never been trapped in one you see. someone explain what its like to me....
how long do they last? not nosy just curious.raaa

depends what you like i suppose..

[rach]

it is very addictive almost in the same way as heroin you come home from work or whatever and then have a massive line you go to k land, it is spiritual if you want it to be it can be a type of meditation/ relaxation whatever,

you agree its as addictive as heroin - so would you recommend to people who say they use smack for meditation and relaxation to carry on using it?


this site isnt the best one for discussing this as there is quite a bias view on k, frowned upon amongst most on here i would say, as it is a 'party' site, and let face it k aint a party drug,

i just dont hate ketamine because its bad for partying, i hate it because of how it has ruined some of my friends lives in so many ways - its highly addictive, it takes away peoples ambition, self awareness, motivation and their souls, and all their left with is mental and pyhsical health problems

[General Lighting]

Ketamine is about as spiritual as taking a dump, which of course can be a very spiritual experience given the right attitude.

thats about the most accurate depiction I can think of.

incidentally I am supposedly a Roman Catholic, and was brought up in faith-based schools and communities.

I can understand some aspects of the "spiritual" nature of drug taking (after doing K one weekend I did realise how it was similar to the mindstate of prayer) and did even fleetingly consider doing a "Tony Blair" and even attending Mass at Our Lady Star of the Sea, which is partly why I haven't done ketamine since.. :laugh_at:)

but for all its faults (and there are many), religion is a disciplined, organised form of human collective gathering. It entails adhering to strict schedules, self-denial (fasting or avoiding vices) and everyone is judged by their contribution to the community as well as whatever they feel their gods are judging them by.

Even the "hippy" religions like buddhism have fairly strict guidelines regarding diet, abstaining from drugs, moderating your behaviour (for instance it wouldn't be acceptable to be snappy on comedowns or if you can't find any drugs or parties)

Drugs and raves OTOH are currently merely hedonism and instant gratification without any binding community ties. They are fun, but I have never found anything lasting, spiritual or inspiring (other than music of course) from them...

[CozMik]

you agree its as addictive as heroin - so would you recommend to people who say they use smack for meditation and relaxation to carry on using it?

i dont agree its as addictive as heroin, Flump!
Dont think you'l find many junkies saying they use there smack for meditating somehow:you_crazy


i just dont hate ketamine because its bad for partying, i hate it because of how it has ruined some of my friends lives in so many ways - its highly addictive, it takes away peoples ambition, self awareness, motivation and their souls, and all their left with is mental and pyhsical health problems

Welcome to the world of drugs.



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[rach]

Welcome to the world of drugs.
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you have the free will to do what you want, but becareful with what you choose to preach about on the internet. while you're sat at home all cosy thinking how spiritual and intelligent you are, you're dealing with a dangerous and destructive drug.

there are a lot better ways to reach spirituality, but each to their own

[DJCliffy]

Ketamine is shit, simple as that.

[mrschingchong]

bloody hell,
there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it and some are getting 'hooked' on it, dont you think?

and please, nuff negative comments said allready, this thread was posted for Positive feedback i know ketamine has bad effects but so does every drug.

[photographthesun]

When i first used ketamine i used to have amazing experances, I remember once feeling like i could see how every other part of the world interacted with every other part, it was like i could see the whole world and my place in it and how it all fits 2gether and flows. It was amazing...

...few months later im sticking 3g up my nose in an evening, the tollerance builds up so fast that even with that ammount i still didnt get any amazing visual spiritual experance. i just got very very numb. You lose any spiritual experance (or at least seems to hapen to the majority), you lose the magic, and the effects on the body with such high doses is not so good.

I think that is why people hate and love ket, it can give u a hell of a lot, but it takes it away bloody fast without you even realising. Oh and the physical damage to the body for long term high dose can be horrific.

ps I dont and havnt used ket in a while now and do not plan to in the future.

[photographthesun]

bloody hell,
there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it and some are getting 'hooked' on it, dont you think?

and please, nuff negative comments said allready, this thread was posted for Positive feedback i know ketamine has bad effects but so does every drug.

sorry i didnt read that before i posted, though i dont think i was just being negative so hope thats ok. And we should remember a lot of people use smack and crack but thats hardly a reason to think there good?

[JamZandwich]

[quote=mrschingchong;237371]bloody hell,
there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it and some are getting 'hooked' on it, dont you think?
quote]

Ketamine could possibly be the biggest wonder drug around today, Learn to control your usage, Embrace the k holes you have, they should be special, And dont get hooked on it for fucks sake! Thats where i went rong, Aint touched itin months now, and feeling great for it, dont mean i dont sometimes think about it though, Specially livin in brighton, ive tried most drugs known to man, Ketamins the strongest, and its funny, when your in a real k hole, it doesnt feel like your on a drug atol.

Its all down to what you want out of it/the reason that you decided to take it in the first place, you want a spiritual experience ? you can have one. You want to take something to get you in the party mood at a rave ? Wont happen, never will. You want something to give you & your mates a buzz to get everyone in a good mood ? Big mistake!

Yes K can be very enjoyable if you do it for the right reasons, of course it can or no one would be doing it. Use in the safety of your own home. These people who go to raves/parties and think they can try some ketamine, and think they'll be allright "Ah i can handle it, piece o piss!", and then have a shit time on it because they made a fool of themselves (seen it too many times), then all of a sudden "Ketamin is shit, boring" etc - Fuck off!

[DJCliffy]

[quote=mrschingchong;237371]bloody hell,
there must be something good about it if so many people are doing it and some are getting 'hooked' on it, dont you think?
quote]

Ketamine could possibly be the biggest wonder drug around today, Learn to control your usage, Embrace the k holes you have, they should be special, And dont get hooked on it for fucks sake! Thats where i went rong, Aint touched itin months now, and feeling great for it, dont mean i dont sometimes think about it though, Specially livin in brighton, ive tried most drugs known to man, Ketamins the strongest, and its funny, when your in a real k hole, it doesnt feel like your on a drug atol.

Its all down to what you want out of it/the reason that you decided to take it in the first place, you want a spiritual experience ? you can have one. You want to take something to get you in the party mood at a rave ? Wont happen, never will. You want something to give you & your mates a buzz to get everyone in a good mood ? Big mistake!

Yes K can be very enjoyable if you do it for the right reasons, of course it can or no one would be doing it. Use in the safety of your own home. These people who go to raves/parties and think they can try some ketamine, and think they'll be allright "Ah i can handle it, piece o piss!", and then have a shit time on it because they made a fool of themselves (seen it too many times), then all of a sudden "Ketamin is shit, boring" etc - Fuck off!

I used to use K at home with mates, rarely did it at parties for all those reasons. I still think it's shit though. If you like it then fair enough but these days i can't think off anything worse than being on K. :yakk:

[JamZandwich]

[quote=DJCliffy;237854

I used to use K at home with mates, rarely did it at parties for all those reasons. I still think it's shit though. If you like it then fair enough but these days i can't think off anything worse than being on K. :yakk:[/quote]

I feel that way often too sumtimes, it does get rubbish once youve been doing it for too long, sorta stops working really, but tbh ketamine helped me stop doing all drugs in the long run in the end, i dont even drink, i have to be thankfull for that cos i was in a mess for years. + all the great trips i had on it in the early days, fuck they where good. so in the long run it did do me some good. jus gotta keep me nose clean now init:laugh_at:

r yor mates still doing k ?

[DJCliffy]

I feel that way often too sumtimes, it does get rubbish once youve been doing it for too long, sorta stops working really, but tbh ketamine helped me stop doing all drugs in the long run in the end, i dont even drink, i have to be thankfull for that cos i was in a mess for years. + all the great trips i had on it in the early days, fuck they where good. so in the long run it did do me some good. jus gotta keep me nose clean now init:laugh_at:

r yor mates still doing k ?

Only a couple are still doing it, the rest have packed it in same as me! when i did K, i was doing it with loads of other drugs, but always found the K would override the other stuff so clearly the K had to go! I've haven't looked back since giving it up! hope your successful in giving it up mate! :love:

[DaftFader]

Only a couple are still doing it, the rest have packed it in same as me! when i did K, i was doing it with loads of other drugs, but always found the K would override the other stuff so clearly the K had to go! I've haven't looked back since giving it up! hope your successful in giving it up mate! :love:
yeah k just takes over man .. you can be mashed on any thing and k seems to be the main buzz you feel once you have done it .. :you_crazy

[DJCliffy]

yeah k just takes over man .. you can be mashed on any thing and k seems to be the main buzz you feel once you have done it .. :you_crazy


Innit man, thats when you know it's gonna ruin your night. K is bad shit lol! :wink: