Yet Another Norfolk Bust

[lilmstrixta]

Police break up rave near Norfolk village

RICHARD PARR (richard.parr@archant.co.uk)

17 August 2008 15:46


An illegal rave attended by more than 100 people was broken up by police in the early hours of yesterday in woodland close to a west Norfolk village.

One arrest was made and sound equipment was seized after officers attended the rave at about 1.30am after being alerted to loud, repetitive music close to the village of Gayton Thorpe, near King's Lynn, and in an area of woodland named 10 Acre Plantation.

Officers found 120 people and it was declared it a rave under Section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act.

Notices were served on people present and its organisers but these were ignored so officers entered the woodland and broke up the event.

Chief Inspector Nick Davison said the police action again demonstrated Norfolk police's determination to ensure any rave or unlicensed musical event would not take place in Norfolk.

Superintendent Mick Kirk said: “Our strong, positive stance on this occasion in dealing with the Gayton Thorpe event should stand as a warning to anyone considering holding such an event in Norfolk over the coming Bank Holiday weekend.”

[wafl]

I didn't hear about this
that place has been a bit rinsed
brave attempt

[General Lighting]

not only has that place been rinsed, it isn't that far away from the village, too much stack in the wrong direction and the locals get noised up and grass up the rave (clearly what happened there)

this is getting very worrying. I think it is becoming more foolhardy than brave..

because people are being stubborn, the cops are increasingly now going to wonder "how can all these youths, many of whom don't have regular jobs, afford to lose so much equipment each weekend?"

Cops already have criminal psychologists looking all over the net trying to get their head round the scene (especially since the battle of Yarco this time last year) and to try and work out why youths are still prepared to take such risks despite the clampdowns - and many feel it is due to a "mob mentality " caused by the emotional effects of drugs.

it might not seem like it to us, but to "normal people" it is actually as frightening to them as the lads what do real violent crime in London or even extremist stuff like bombs...

And because people seem to have lots of "disposable equipment" they are going to get forensic accountants to work out where all the cash is coming from (if its not happening already), and I think we all know where that is going to lead to

Plus there has been a 100% increase in young people seeking NHS treatment for problems with recreational drugs across the East of England in the last year...

Can't people just give it a rest for a few weeks, or alternatively use the TENS licenses as a compromise?

Otherwise its not just gonna be rigs getting taken but people are gonna get proper stalked by CID etc and could well lose their liberty for a few months/years as feds will start treating this as organised crime rather than youthful mischief... could even impact on the legal events eventually..

[DJCliffy]

That'll learn em. Bit stupid holding a rave in Norfolk when the OB's stance is so militant. :you_crazy

[General Lighting]

That'll learn em. Bit stupid holding a rave in Norfolk when the OB's stance is so militant. :you_crazy

whats worse is for 20 years it was completely the opposite, they were really easy going, more so than Thames Valley or Met (who were only lenient due to the high level of crime in that area)

[MrAHC]

A mate of mines a copper down there and even he's said you've all fucked it up for yourselves. If youd kepped them small, relitively quiet and out of peoples way the old bill wouldnt of realy bothered you. So thats right from the horses mouth.

I'd give up on Norfolk for a year till the police think its finnished then just do small partys.

[djprocess]

There was that party recently in norfok wasnt there that seemed to go okay, and as far as i know didnt get pigged. Maybe this was in retaliation to that. I mean if you start bragging about the cops being lenient and how you got away with a massive rave, its bound to piss someone off. Also as its coming up to the bank holiday they blatantly want to send the message of "You can fuck off if you think your having a Tek round these parts!"

[Dan Ooops!]

Officers found 120 people and it was declared it a rave under Section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act.

Notices were served on people present and its organisers but these were ignored so officers entered the woodland and broke up the event.


If people are going to ignore section 63 notices, then it doesn't make any difference how good the previous weekend's party was, or how many others have been OK. If they tell you to stop - Just fucking stop - there's always another weekend to be had.

Losing a rig ain't worth it...unless you are proper rich, in which case buy a club or put on a festival for free.
Wow - I sound like a bit a cunt now, but seriously....

[djprocess]

Officers found 120 people and it was declared it a rave under Section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act.

Notices were served on people present and its organisers but these were ignored so officers entered the woodland and broke up the event.


If people are going to ignore section 63 notices, then it doesn't make any difference how good the previous weekend's party was, or how many others have been OK. If they tell you to stop - Just fucking stop - there's always another weekend to be had.

Losing a rig ain't worth it...unless you are proper rich, in which case buy a club or put on a festival for free.
Wow - I sound like a bit a cunt now, but seriously....

totally agree. some people are fucking idiots though, in which case its probably a blesssing there now rigless... :you_crazy_

[lilmstrixta]

Its true if you get warned and they are willing to let you go why not just go why stand there and fight. Plus if the place is really close to a village or what ever your kinda asking for trouble.

I do have to say i do like the statement Loud repetitive music hehe

[Acidfairy]

I do have to say i do like the statement Loud repetitive music hehe

That's because that's how "rave" music was defined in the CJA, loud music with repetitive beats, if I remember rightly its something like that.

[buffcore]

yes if they didnt pack up and leave after being served the section 63 then its there own fault!

End of discussion realy.

[JonnyQuest]

should have closed up, but im reading a bunch of ravers having a go at norfolk for having a party.... respect to the crew for trying shouldnt be illegal to dance in a feild so keep going for it just gotta be smarter and point your stuff the other direction

[General Lighting]

the problem is people here would rather do stubborn than smart,

they must think if they do enough K the cops will miraculously disappear

its actually only illegal to dance in a field when other locals get pissed off enough to dial 999 - which they tend to do when a place is rinsed over and over again.

its not the best of locations, although the wood looks tempting its I had another look at the google earth photos and there are houses in every direction - the ground is level and tree cover not so dense and the nearby houses they are the sort of farm cottages owned by the victor meldrew and his Mrs type couple who probably think Al-Quaeda is something to do with it all),

There is also a pig farm and the farmers get para as people have chased their pigs and fed them acid at previous parties..

what I don't understand though is if I can look at the "big picture" on Google Earth or other similar sites, why doesn't anyone else think of doing this?

actually certain crews from 6-8 years ago would do stuff like get a proper OS map with contours, and use this put the rig in a dip so the sound wouldn't be heard that easily... these crews kept their rigs but just don't come out any more because the newer lot brought it on top for their area..

[starlaugh]

should have closed up, but im reading a bunch of ravers having a go at norfolk for having a party.... respect to the crew for trying shouldnt be illegal to dance in a feild so keep going for it just gotta be smarter and point your stuff the other direction

I don't think they are having a go at Norfolk for having a party, they are having a go at the fact they are a bunch of retards for carrying on and not shutting down when the old bill ask.

Its not like partying is easy in that area at the moment so why antagonise the police? If they behaved and shut down the party they would have probably got away with the rig and gained some respect from the police!!

[lilmstrixta]

should have closed up, but im reading a bunch of ravers having a go at norfolk for having a party.... respect to the crew for trying shouldnt be illegal to dance in a feild so keep going for it just gotta be smarter and point your stuff the other direction

Don't get me wrong i complete agree it shouldn't be illigal to dance outdoors, but like you pointed out they could be a bit smarter about it for there own sake of not getting there equiptment confiscated.

[lilmstrixta]

Was reading on the internet this morning and came across this.

Questions over rave zero tolerance



18 August 2008 16:49


Police warned of a zero tolerance approach to raves over the Bank Holiday - as villagers claimed an illegal event was allowed to go on all night last weekend before officers moved into break it up.

One person was arrested and sound equipment seized, after more than 100 party goers converged on woodland at Gayton Thorpe, near King's Lynn, in the early hours of Sunday.

Police said their action showed they were determined to prevent raves going ahead. But people living near Ten Acre Plantation, where the event took place, said it was still in full swing the following morning.

“The first call we made was just after 1am,” one woman said. “My husband rang again a little after 2am - they were both 999 calls.

“I rang again at 9.15am on the 0845 number and I had a message from a sergeant at 20 past 10 on my telephone to say they were going in.

“When they say zero tolerance you think they're going to go in like a ton of bricks but that doesn't seem to have been the case.”

Today police said they began zero tolerance action after receiving the first call alerting them to the event. But a spokesman said they did not have a precise time for when the event was closed down.

“We did take zero tolerance action but sometimes that process can take time,” she added. “We have guidelines which we have to follow.”

Police last night released photographs of equipment seized during the operation at Gayton Thorpe. Organisers face having sound systems destroyed and a hefty fine if prosecuted under the Public Order Act.

Supt Mick Kirkham said: “We were successful in shutting down this particular rave and I want to make it quite clear that we will use all necessary resources to prevent, disrupt and close down other illegal raves in this county.

“Unlicensed musical events or raves are unsafe and disruptive to our local communities. We will continue to take a hard line against them and seek to prosecute anyone found to be involved in their organisation.”

[2old4this!]

they must think if they do enough K the cops will miraculously disappear

:laugh_at:

[BioTech]

“When they say zero tolerance you think they're going to go in like a ton of bricks but that doesn't seem to have been the case.”


No, because the majority of the time they have got a little bit more intelligence than that you stupid old bat.

Why ring 999 too? I can understand it might be a little alarming to some people but what a misuse of the emergency number.

[General Lighting]

No, because the majority of the time they have got a little bit more intelligence than that you stupid old bat.

Why ring 999 too? I can understand it might be a little alarming to some people but what a misuse of the emergency number.

the cops in all 3 Eastern constabularies have on some occasions told people to call nines if they see a rave in progress via the media.

I think they are justifying this on danger to property (as its acceptable to call 999 if you saw someone smashing things up) and also safety (at least 3 emergency Ambulances were despatched to raves in 2007 due to ket heads hurting themselves)

[djsteviec]

U really should just leave but when ya havin such a good time i guess we find it hard it to.

N e how like sum 1 else said theres always another weekend !!!!!!!!

[BioTech]

the cops in all 3 Eastern constabularies have on some occasions told people to call nines if they see a rave in progress via the media.

I think they are justifying this on danger to property (as its acceptable to call 999 if you saw someone smashing things up) and also safety (at least 3 emergency Ambulances were despatched to raves in 2007 due to ket heads hurting themselves)


Yeah, I suppose you are right. I think I'm just looking at it from a different perspective. I would never call 999 unless there was a real emergency eg someone was going to get hurt or killed. At all other times the local number would suffice for me.

In all my time I've only ever had to call any number once and that was 999

[General Lighting]

Yeah, I suppose you are right. I think I'm just looking at it from a different perspective. I would never call 999 unless there was a real emergency eg someone was going to get hurt or killed.

that is genuinely how all three of the blue light services view an illegal rave today because of previous incidents (remember that big fire in Thetford Forest in 2006?) and also the ambulances being required - even if a licensed venue had 3 incidents in a row requiring Ambulance attendance their managers would have to explain themselves to the Council...

however the old bat whinging to the papers is the sort of person turning this nation into a Police state (ironically worse than the Police themselves!)

I don't know if she's stupid or genuinely malicious, can't she see that scattering a load of panicked and angry youth into random countryside in the hours of darkness is simply going to cause more problems, and such an operation risks greater injury to both ravers and police officers?

Also the cops may not have had sufficient units in the night and it makes more tactical sense to give them a chance to disappear quietly and only turn the rave over in the morning when they have a new shift of fresh coppers up against the ravers who will be getting sketchy and tired and liable to make mistakes..

[lilmstrixta]

No, because the majority of the time they have got a little bit more intelligence than that you stupid old bat.

Why ring 999 too? I can understand it might be a little alarming to some people but what a misuse of the emergency number.


I agree with you here i think also what she says is also a little harsh, you would think we were roiting or something maybe she expects them to run in and shoot us all

[dirtynorfolkraver]

I don't think they are having a go at Norfolk for having a party, they are having a go at the fact they are a bunch of retards for carrying on and not shutting down when the old bill ask.

Its not like partying is easy in that area at the moment so why antagonise the police? If they behaved and shut down the party they would have probably got away with the rig and gained some respect from the police!!

it was a suicide rig!!!

[Raj]

Not sure that makes it any better :bad_idea:

[starlaugh]

Not sure that makes it any better :bad_idea:

That's what I was thinking, will still get peoples backs up.. ok fair enough they lost a rig they were prepared to loose but it still showed disrespect to the police by carrying on. The scene in this county is already very fragile, no need to make it worse :you_crazy

[Ruff Beat Provider]

You can get a rig for a suprisingly small amount of cash if you know the right people. And split that between a crew and it really is fuck all. At the moment its obvious people arn't throwing partys in norfolk to keep their rig but a way of showing they aint gonna give up.
I personally think the way their going about isn't possibally the best way but at least their trying. This wasn't a massive party and if it was a suicide i'm sure the rig wern't to big, but maybe they should have chosen a cleverer venue.

If people stop partying norfolk all together people will get bored of waiting and the scence will die.

The only advice i can give to norfolk is give it a rest for a few weeks and let the police calm down.
A good thing to do would to maybe get a person or group of people to organise a meeting with the police. They do say on every news report they are more than willing to help people organise such an event if asked (probally bullshit but you never know). You would have to be willing to admit your involved with partys but it may be easier explaining it then rather than while cuffed, fucked and sleepless.

Fair play norfolk FUCKING AV IT!

[binge]

If it was given a few years rest this may be the case, but a few weeks is fuck all time.

I'm not even going to go into this, because, quite simply- I can't be arsed. So many points, so little motivation......

[photographthesun]

thats really nasty in so glad Norfolks not my area sounds like one big headake